“Objectivity Has Got To Go”: News Leaders Call for the End of Objective Journalism

a reply to: karl 12

That link is a great example of what people don't quite seem tog grasp generaly. Namely, that their "news" is frequently NOT the product of journalisam at all... it is another form of directed manipulation hiding behind what we were taught to believe about "news reporting."

Thanks!

a reply to: Maxmars

No worries mate and regarding your first post I'm at a loss as well - not to worry they'll change the definition of 'journalism' in the dictionary soon.

Definitely seems the culture is trying to be 'inverted' by some nefarious cult and if the objective truth is 'harmful' to some people.. well I guess that's their problem lol.

Don't know who was responsible but thanks to the 2013 NDAA 'amendment' to the Smith-Mundt Act it also turns out conducting propaganda exercises on domestic audiences is now perfectly legal.

Yes, US Government Propaganda Use Against American Citizens Is Officially Legal Now

Cheers.

originally posted by: Maxmars

Maybe editors got tired of shouldering the blame for over-amped activists in journalism.

Maybe there is still dissent from within... now it must be 'enforced' that journalism that is objective is "bad."

Think it was always bad mate but as far as I can see the 96 TA enacted by Bilderberg Clinton was the final nail in the coffin.

Passed in 1996 under President Bill Clinton, the Telecommunications Act has resulted in large-scale deregulation of the entire US media industry, removing many limitations on the number of different media outlets that can be owed by a single company.

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Would also say this old doco is well worth a watch and we can't say we weren't warned.

This is actually expected.

You see, it all started when this brash young mouth named "Rush Limbaugh" made a talk radio show where he simply said what many were already saying, but he had a microphone on the radio ad they didn't. His show was wildly successful and also started a national conversation about right values versus left values. Soon others tried to do the same thing. Some, mostly conservatives, were successful (Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, etc.) while many failed to attract an audience. Those with the most leftist views were several times as likely to fail as conservatives, for the simple reason that they were trying to get their audience to agree with them, while the conservatives were trying to agree with their audience.

I remember the complaints about "equal air time." Some stations would try to avoid being accused of not allowing equal airtime by teaming a conservative with a leftist, aka "Hannity and Combs" for example... That way the leftists had someone on air to espouse their views but the conservative base was still there to keep the shows up and running.

Those dual-opinion shows still didn't do as good as the ones with only a conservative. So the news anchors started bringing in leftist bias to the news, apparently in an effort to still get their viewpoints out to a public that overall wasn't that interested in them. But leftist opinion shows still were few and far between, so news anchors continued to up the ante.

It's the old "By Any means Necessary" mantra. If the people won't choose to listen to what the pundits want them to hear, they will have to be made to listen. Since the law cannot do that, and economics will not allow that, the only choice was to allow the leftists to control the news. But that ignored the reasoning behind the op-ed shows in the first place. News was once divided between news (objective, unbiased) during the day and op-eds (subjective and certainly biased) during Prime Time. Limbaugh would point out directly that he was stating opinion and not facts... so would Hannity... So would Beck... so would Bill O'Reilly... so will Ticker Carlson. The news was never supposed to be opinion; op-eds are by definition.

So now all we have are op-eds... Fox News has leftists during the day and conservatives at night. The difference is that during the day, they pretend it's the news, while at night they plainly state it is just opinion.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: JimiJammin
We can't control it

Actually, we can.

But since you appear to be 'brief as a bot'... I won't bother explaining...

I could apply, just read the headlines without your spectacles:

- "An ear-sized object shot down by the military"!

- "Harry eats Vegan at the Convocation"!

I remember when news was to lay out facts, thats it. Your opinion was formed from there.

Today it's a narrative through a toilet paper tube vision that disregards quality of information and outright tells you what your opinion should be.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
This is actually expected.

You see, it all started when this brash young mouth named "Rush Limbaugh" made a talk radio show where he simply said what many were already saying, but he had a microphone on the radio ad they didn't. His show was wildly successful and also started a national conversation about right values versus left values. Soon others tried to do the same thing. Some, mostly conservatives, were successful (Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, etc.) while many failed to attract an audience. Those with the most leftist views were several times as likely to fail as conservatives, for the simple reason that they were trying to get their audience to agree with them, while the conservatives were trying to agree with their audience.

I beg to differ
the media has been left-sided since the 1960s. they helped JFK defeat Nixon.

William Safire discussed this in his book Before the Fall. the media was making token efforts at 'telling both sides'.

for many years there was an 'equal time' policy with the FCC to force the media to let people like Joe McCarthy and Jim Garrison respond to hostile reporting.
Reagan ended the policy, concluding that there were enough media outlets for everybody. this is when talk radio took off as they didn't have to play the both-sides game.
Democrats for years demanded some sort of 'fairness' doctrine as they saw conservatives dominate talk radio, but of course they ignored the left bias in tv and print.

the left is becoming more open and 'honest' about its bias but the bias itself is nothing new.