BREAKING: MIT Professor calls for the immediate suspension of all mRNA vaccines

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Well considering about 90% of people are vaccinated against measles, mumps, etc by time they're three years old it shows that you can vaccinate agaisnt a virus and gain herd immunity that way.

It would take that level of vaccination agaisnt covid, and for covid itself to slow down its mutation rates.

But, I think that ship has sailed.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Well considering about 90% of people are vaccinated against measles, mumps, etc by time they're three years old it shows that you can vaccinate agaisnt a virus and gain herd immunity that way.

It would take that level of vaccination agaisnt covid, and for covid itself to slow down its mutation rates.

But, I think that ship has sailed.

The vaccine is what's allowing the pandemic to continue forever. It's a leaky vaccine that allows for selection or viral mutants. Natural immunity would have put it into the flu category immediately but the vaccine makes it worse than taking repurposed drugs and vitamin d. 2 doctors wrote a book on how they treated 7,000 patients with ivermectin and there were zero deaths from covid. A vaccine was never needed, especially a leaky quackzine.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

I'm pretty sure influenza was running rampant until we developed a vaccine...

a reply to: quintessentoneTill I got my genetics done there was no actual proof that i was my fathers son. Yet his name is on my birth certificate as my father. I know people who were officially named who later found out that the man they called their father was not.

Even peer reviewed evidence can be flawed. Peer reviewing changes research evidence sometimes to make it so it will be accepted by the science it is in which can change the parameters used to evaluate it and make the research useless. Yet it is considered real when it is flawed.

I have read a lot of research and have read conclusions of the research both before and after peer reviewing....sometimes the peer reviewed information is flawed while the original research is not.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Another non-medical self-described expert performing data analytics using flawed analytic approaches.

The TGA has an extensive section on its website describing how its data on adverse effects is used. This states that “an assessment of the safety of a medicine or vaccine cannot be made based on this information”.

Jacques Raubenheimer, a senior research fellow in biostatistics at University of Sydney who has written on vaccine misinformation and data misinterpretation, said the nature of the adverse event data meant it could not be used to draw the inferences made in the Daily Exposé article.

“They are assuming that every death listed against other vaccines was caused by those vaccines, and that every death listed against COVID vaccines were caused by the COVID vaccines. That should immediately give us (reason to) pause,” he told AAP FactCheck.

University of Queensland associate professor Paul Griffin, an infectious diseases physician and microbiologist, agreed that the post’s analysis was flawed.

“When the majority of the population is vaccinated, which we are fortunate is now the case with these COVID-19 vaccines, essentially all events, whether they be adverse events or indeed completely unrelated events, will occur mostly in the vaccinated as they are now the majority of the population,” he said in an email.

Dr Griffin added that there was “a tendency by some who fail to understand this concept to link events to the fact that people are vaccinated”.

www.aap.com.au...

Just curious what your day job is so I can compare it to this hack from mit. Please answer so I can use your qualifications to convince my family the shot is 100% safe and effective.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Well considering about 90% of people are vaccinated against measles, mumps, etc by time they're three years old it shows that you can vaccinate agaisnt a virus and gain herd immunity that way.

It would take that level of vaccination agaisnt covid, and for covid itself to slow down its mutation rates.

But, I think that ship has sailed.

No herd immunity can be achieved to SARS-CoV-2 regardless of how many boosters you have. The vaccines do not prevent transmission and infection and don't even significantly reduce them. So infections are keep going on and new emerging variants are even more transmissible and infectious.

Herd immunity now seems impossible. Welcome to the age of Covid reinfection. The virus is now embedded in our world. But there are steps we can take to keep it at bay while we continue to live our lives

Professor Devi Sridhar is chair of global public health at the University of Edinburgh

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Another non-medical self-described expert performing data analytics using flawed analytic approaches.

The TGA has an extensive section on its website describing how its data on adverse effects is used. This states that “an assessment of the safety of a medicine or vaccine cannot be made based on this information”.

Jacques Raubenheimer, a senior research fellow in biostatistics at University of Sydney who has written on vaccine misinformation and data misinterpretation, said the nature of the adverse event data meant it could not be used to draw the inferences made in the Daily Exposé article.

“They are assuming that every death listed against other vaccines was caused by those vaccines, and that every death listed against COVID vaccines were caused by the COVID vaccines. That should immediately give us (reason to) pause,” he told AAP FactCheck.

University of Queensland associate professor Paul Griffin, an infectious diseases physician and microbiologist, agreed that the post’s analysis was flawed.

“When the majority of the population is vaccinated, which we are fortunate is now the case with these COVID-19 vaccines, essentially all events, whether they be adverse events or indeed completely unrelated events, will occur mostly in the vaccinated as they are now the majority of the population,” he said in an email.

Dr Griffin added that there was “a tendency by some who fail to understand this concept to link events to the fact that people are vaccinated”.

www.aap.com.au...

Just curious what your day job is so I can compare it to this hack from mit. Please answer so I can use your qualifications to convince my family the shot is 100% safe and effective.

Earlier the member was claiming that Covid is a virus that has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus....

And for along time now claiming that vaccines are safe and effective and if we get vaccinated we can get herd immunity


But...

Herd immunity now seems impossible. Welcome to the age of Covid reinfection. The virus is now embedded in our world. But there are steps we can take to keep it at bay while we continue to live our lives

Professor Devi Sridhar is chair of global public health at the University of Edinburgh



www.infectioncontroltoday.com...


Those Who Believe in Herd Immunity Cannot Do the Math

COVID-19 mutations are evading our immunity and at the same time our immunity is waning. Herd immunity to disease and the eradication of SARS-CoV-2 is no longer possible.

I don't want to comment yet on the other claim made: Covid is a virus that comes from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus...

the nonsense

a reply to: quintessentone
Per your link.


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I don't see anyone on this list I would consider qualified to make any kind of medical or scientific determinations concerning "ANYTHING" medical or scientific.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: RazorV66

The vaccines were never supposed to be a shield wall to the virus... no vaccine is. I had my tetanus shot updated a few years back.

I cut my finger on some rusty steel about a year ago, I had mild symptoms and needed, take a guess? A booster! Even tho I had just got an updated shot three years prior.

According to the CDC,

Symptoms of tetanus include:

• The first sign is most commonly spasms of the muscles of the jaw, or “lockjaw. Jaw cramping

• Sudden, involuntary muscle spasms — often in the stomach

• Painful muscle stiffness all over the body

• Trouble swallowing

• Seizures (jerking or staring)

• Headache

• Fever and sweating

• Changes in blood pressure and heart rate

www.cdc.gov...

And tetanus boosters are supposed to last 10 years...

The United States introduced the first tetanus-toxoid containing vaccine into the routine childhood immunization schedule in the late 1940s. At that time, states reported between 500 and 600 cases each year. Tetanus infections steadily declined after the vaccination recommendation. Today, tetanus is uncommon in the United States, with an average of 30 reported cases each year. Nearly all cases of tetanus today are in people who never got a tetanus vaccine or did not receive a complete course of tetanus vaccines, or adults who didn’t stay up to date on their 10-year booster shots.

www.cdc.gov...

So either you never got a tetanus vaccine before or you are the most unlucky person in the world. One of approximately only 30 cases of tetanus a year. Your booster shot only lasted 3 years and you had symptoms after cutting your finger? I would ask your doctor if they actually gave you the tetanus booster 3 years ago because if so that makes me think the tetanus shot is not as effective as the CDC claims.

a reply to: Antisocialist

I have already posted in the first page that nobody who is sensible will take seriously fact checkers and fact checking websites. The are unqualified and not educated in any scientific and medical fields just as the vaccine apologists and denialists of reality.

a reply to: Antimony

I went to emergency, after it had become infected, and my wrist was sore, up unto my arm.

They did it as a precaution apparently, gave me antibiotics cleaned it up, and away I went.

It may have not been tetanus, I will never know. They didn't even draw blood.

a reply to: quintessentone

Covid-19 came from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus

This is your post earlier.

Do you like to explain how Covid-19 is a virus that has come from SARS-CoV-2. Both being virus as you say...

So according to you we have 2 viruses
Covid-19
SARS-CoV-2

And we also get herd immunity as you have claimed. Is this to both viruses or just one of them??

originally posted by: Antisocialist
I don't see anyone on this list I would consider qualified to make any kind of medical or scientific determinations concerning "ANYTHING" medical or scientific.

I didn't see them making any kind of medical or scientific determinations. They do show the OP's source saying that the study didn't show causation.

Kinda hard to say "trust the source" when you can't accept that other thing they also said.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: opethPA
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Why should someone who is not in the clinical field , who is not in virology , who spent 12 years in the IDF and was a part of the global Military Intelligence world be viewed as a viable resource for COVID information?

I want to read about his research but the above items are a gatekeeper I am trying to unlock.

Ad hominem, and also appeal to authority.

Great!

So back to my question why should someone who is not in the clinical field , who is not in virology , who spent 12 years in the IDF and was a part of the global Military Intelligence world be viewed as a viable resource for COVID information?

a reply to: quintessentone

There is enough circumstantial evidence and some very convincing studies
linking myo/pericarditis to the mrna vaccine.
If there is any doubt the program needs to be suspended
This affects children,with their whole lives ahead

a reply to: Asmodeus3

And you are qualified and educated in what scientific and medical fields?

Seems you can dish this stuff out but can't take it yourself?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

And you are qualified and educated in what scientific and medical fields?

Seems you can dish this stuff out but can't take it yourself?

That's an irrelevant questions as I am not the one who accuses academics of being 'unqualified' or 'irrevant' with the subjects discussed when at the same time those who make these accusations and flawed claims have no qualifications themselves in anything and they go about claiming for example that Covid-19 is a virus that has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus...

If someone can't understand the basics is very unlikely they can criticise a University Professor from MIT.

a reply to: daskakik


Given the evidence and the actual cases of cardiac related issues with the mRNA vaccines Professor Levi has concluded the following

By now I believe that the cumulative evidence is conclusive and confirms our concern that the mRNA vaccines indeed cause sudden cardiac arrest as a sequel of vaccine-induced myocarditis

And finally, autopsies of people that die closely after they receive the vaccine indicate that with the enlarged number of cases, there is strong evidence that the death was caused by vaccine-induced myocarditis.

So presented with all of this evidence, I think that there is no other ethical or scientific choice but to pull out of the market these medical products and stop all the mRNA vaccination programmes. This is clearly the most failing medical product in the history of medical products, both in terms of efficacy and safety. And we need to investigate and think hard: How did we end up in a situation that it’s also the most profitable medical product in the history of medical products?

I think his conclusions are correct and the cumulative evidence from all other studies enough to halt the process.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: daskakik


Given the evidence and the actual cases of cardiac related issues with the mRNA vaccines Professor Levi has concluded the following

By now I believe that the cumulative evidence is conclusive and confirms our concern that the mRNA vaccines indeed cause sudden cardiac arrest as a sequel of vaccine-induced myocarditis

And finally, autopsies of people that die closely after they receive the vaccine indicate that with the enlarged number of cases, there is strong evidence that the death was caused by vaccine-induced myocarditis.

So presented with all of this evidence, I think that there is no other ethical or scientific choice but to pull out of the market these medical products and stop all the mRNA vaccination programmes. This is clearly the most failing medical product in the history of medical products, both in terms of efficacy and safety. And we need to investigate and think hard: How did we end up in a situation that it’s also the most profitable medical product in the history of medical products?

I think his conclusions are correct and the cumulative evidence from all other studies enough to halt the process.

That's an important point:

Cumulative evidence.


We have been accumulating evidence for years, 1500+ peer reviewed studies, 10s of thousands of doctors, 100s of whistle blowers from every conceivable industry, countless injured and victims, autopsy data, correlative data showing the vaxxt dying at a higher rate. You have protests going on against the vaccine and media silence
And that doesn't even scratch the surface.

a reply to: Asmodeus3
And then you have an e-mail from him saying that his opinion, what he means by "I believe" and "I think", isn't conclusive and merely is a call to investigate further.

He is saying the same thing in what you quoted. Can't you see it?