Fighter Comparison

I found this and was wondering the thoughts from folks on this:




regards
seekerof

Seems you used a reliable source. I would say the Joint task force fighter is awsome for the fighter usage.

I am partial to the A-10 though. Fix that plane up with modern engines and it would rock anything!

To be honest, I was quite surprised at how the Super Hornet F-18 E/F series was rated.

I was also wondering why the the F-16 Block series wasn't represented...but nor was the F-15E......
I wasn't sure of the chart either being it is comparing a2a aircraft with aircraft that are also a2g.
Also, Jane's Guide has the M-29 rated as one of the best dogfighters in the world, along with a few others, but it represents itself on the comparison not quite too well.

Thanks for the comments Advisor and yes, the A-10 should be kept and updated. LOL, I can't imagine the A-10 with modern engines......that would, indeed, be a sight to behold. hehe

regards
seekerof

Originally posted by ADVISOR
I am partial to the A-10 though. Fix that plane up with modern engines and it would rock anything!

I agree, but it's not a fighter aircraft, that's why it isn't mentioned in the pic

What I do miss in this comparison is the JAS-39 Grippen. That plane rocks. Although I'm not really up to date with the specs of the Rafale, I'd say the JAS-39 is more advanced.

Zion, thats interesting that you mentioned Swedens JAS-39 Gripen. I just read a match up between it and a F-16 C/D Block 60 Series and compared to a F-22. That is a marvelous aircraft to say the least.....and also able to do a standard "cobra maneuver".


regards
seekerof

I have seen this chart. It is pretty old though, I think about five years.

Im really pleased to see that the JAS-39 has got a mention here, of all the 5th generation combat aircraft it has perhaps the most mature service record to date, both the Rafale and the Typhoon are barely beginning their service records..and although both are capable..I think the Jury is still out.
As for the F-18 E/F it is without doubt in my opinion the foremost multi-role combat aircraft in the world today, below 300 knots...it will eat any F15, F16, for breakfast, it has the range and weapon systems to match any Sukhoi product and best of all its easier than
breathing to fly one.
By all accounts the JSF is being optimised for high Mach number manueverability as well as being equiped with a thrust nozzle that will be capable of in flight vectoring...mayby a future winner as the chart suggests?
Finally a note on the Mig-29, a superb dogfighter with a high thrust/weight ratio....unfortunately combat manuevering requires afterburners=fuel consumption=poor endurance....I think the Mig is now a little over-rated...its a really thirsty monster, that in my opinion reduces its combat effectiveness in comparison.

Well, those just compair the ones they admit to haveing. What about the jets they have but are suppose to be top secret? Some of them have to be better than anything on that list, or they wouldn't be working on them. So, makes you wonder that if those are how well the ones they admit to having work, how well do the secret ones work?

What is that NGRF?

Originally posted by James the Lesser
Well, those just compair the ones they admit to haveing. ...makes you wonder that if those are how well the ones they admit to having work, how well do the secret ones work?

That is why is a secret. But I can imagine exactly what they can do just from reported UFO sightings. If ufos are not real, then we have some VERY awsome fighters. If they are real we will need fighters every bit as good as theirs and better. We have done pretty good so far to create a powerful image, must have to do with something.

Originally posted by necro99
What is that NGRF?

NGRF = Next Generation Russian Fighter

regards
seekerof

The US Navy has my all time favorite jet.



The F11-F1/Better known as the Blue Angels

Span: 31 ft 7,5 in
Length: 40 ft 10 in
Height: 12 ft 9 in
Weight: 14,330 pounds(empty) / 24,078 pounds (max TO)
Armament: 4 20mm cannon and four pylons capable of carrying either 4 AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles or 2 AIM-9 Sidewinder and 2 150-gallon drop tanks.
Engine: one Wright J65 rated at 7,400 lbs dry thrust and 10,500 lbs with afterburning

Performance


Max speed: 753 mph ( at SL) / 727 mph ( at 35,000 ft)
Cruising speed: 577 mph
Range: 1275 miles
Service Ceiling: 41,900 ft



I think they speak for themselves. Also a note to concider, It's not the jet that makes the fighter, it is the pilot.



[Edited on 21-7-2003 by ADVISOR]

Which country/company is manufacturing the rafale???

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Which country/company is manufacturing the rafale???

France. They backed out on the Euro-Fighter to build their version.

regards
seekerof

[Edited on 21-7-2003 by Seekerof]

It was a stupid move by the french, hopefully they can sell a few to some old-time partners.
The JAS-39 recently beated the Rafale in a competition for Hungary. I believe they purchased 14 Gripen's.
Already 232 Gripens have been ordered.
www.Gripen.com...:

Facts about Gripen


Gripen is the most capable and cost effective combat aircraft in operation today



The cost per flying hour for Gripen is lower than any other aircraft of its class



Gripen fulfils all national and NATO defense requirements



Gripen will remain at the forefront of combat aircraft technology for decades to come



Good track record - 232 aircraft ordered

Swedish Air Force
- JAS 39A, 30 a/c
- JAS 39A/B/C 110 a/c
- JAS 39C/D, 64 a/c
South African Air
Force
- 9 Gripen D (d/s)
- 19 Gripen C (s/s)
Hungarian Air Force
- 2 Gripen D (d/s)
- 12 Gripen C (s/s)



Marketing Campaigns
- Austria
- Brasil
- Czech Republic
- Poland

the only 2 a\c are more bad, than Su-35 ? nice picture...

OK people, lets put the figures on the table:


Modern fighter aircraft specifications:


1) maximum speed

MiG-31 "Foxhound" 3000 km/h
F-15C Eagle 2698 km/h
F-15E Strike Eagle 2698 km/h
YF-23 Black Widow II 2655 km/h
Suhoi T-50 2600 km/h
F-14D Tomcat 2548 km/h
Su-30MKI "Flanker-H" 2500 km/h
Su-27 "Flanker-B" 2480 km/h
MiG MFI "Flatpack" 2450 km/h
Mirage 4000 2445 km/h
MiG-29 "Fulcrum" 2445 km/h
Su-35 "Flanker-E" 2410 km/h
F-22 Raptor 2410 km/h
Eurofighter Typhoon 2390 km/h
Chengdu J-10 2339 km/h
Tornado ADV 2338 km/h
Mirage 2000C 2338 km/h
Su-33 "Flanker-D" 2300 km/h
F-16C Fighting Falcon 2175 km/h
Rafale 2125 km/h
F-20 Tigershark 2124 km/h
Mitsubishi F-2 2124 km/h
JAS39 Gripen 2124 km/h
Su-30 "Flanker-C" 2120 km/h
Su-30MKK "Flanker-G" 2120 km/h
Chengdu J-20 2100 km/h
F-35 Lightning II 2065 km/h
HAL Tejas 1990 km/h
IAI Lavi 1965 km/h
F-CK-1 Ching Kuo 1920 km/h
F/A-18C Hornet 1915 km/h
F/A-18E Super Hornet 1915 km/h
Chengdu FC-1 1909 km/h
Su-34 "Fullback" 1900 km/h


2) rate of climb

Suhoi T-50 21000 m/min
MiG-29 "Fulcrum" 19825 m/min
Su-33 "Flanker-D" 19500 m/min
Eurofighter Typhoon 18898 m/min
Su-27P "Flanker-B" 18312 m/min
Mirage 4000 18300 m/min
Rafale 18300 m/min
Su-30MKK "Flanker-G" 18300 m/min
Chengdu J-20 18288 m/min
Su-30MKI "Flanker-H" 18000 m/min
F-15C Eagle 17500 m/min
Mirage 2000C 17080 m/min
Su-35 "Flanker-E" 16800 m/min
F-20 Tigershark 16398 m/min
F-15E Strike Eagle 16000 m/min
Mitsubishi F-2 15300 m/min
F-16C Fighting Falcon 15250 m/min
JAS39 Gripen 15240 m/min
IAI Lavi 15240 m/min
AIDC F-CK-1 Ching Kuo 15240 m/min
F/A-18E Super Hornet 15000 m/min
Chengdu J-10 15000 m/min
F-14D Tomcat 14630 m/min
Su-30 "Flanker-C" 13800 m/min
F/A-18C Hornet 13725 m/min
MiG-31 "Foxhound" 12480 m/min
Tornado F Mk3 12200 m/min


3) ceiling

MiG-31 "Foxhound" 20600 m
F-15C Eagle 20000 m
Mirage 4000 20000 m
Mitsubishi F-2 20000 m
Suhoi T-50 20000 m
F-22 Raptor 19812 m
Eurofighter Typhoon 19810 m
YF-23 Black Widow II 19800 m
Su-27 "Flanker-B" 18500 m
MiG-29 "Fulcrum" 18500 m
F-15E Strike Eagle 18200 m
F-16C Fighting Falcon 18000 m
Tornado F MK3 18000 m
Su-35 "Flanker-E" 18000 m
Chengdu J-20 18000 m
Chengdu J-10 18000 m
Su-30 "Flanker-C" 17300 m
Su-30MKK "Flanker-G" 17300 m
Su-30MKI "Flanker-H" 17300 m
F-14D Tomcat 17070 m
Mirage 2000C 17060 m
Su-33 "Flanker-D" 17000 m
MiG MFI "Flatpack" 17000 m
F-20 Tigershark 16800 m
Rafale 16800 m
F-CK-1 Ching Kuo 16760 m
F-35 Lightning II 16000 m
F/A-18C Hornet 15250 m
F/A-18E Super Hornet 15250 m
HAL Tejas 15250 m
JAS39 Gripen 15240 m
Chengdu FC-1 15240 m
IAI Lavi 15239 m
Su-34 "Fullback" 15000 m


4) engine thrust

MiG MFI "Flatpack" 352 kN
Suhoi T-50 314 kN
F-22 Raptor 312 kN
YF-23 Black Widow II 312 kN
Chengdu J-20 310 kN
MiG-31 "Foxhound" 304 kN
Su-35 "Flanker-E" 284 kN
Su-30MKI "Flanker-H" 262 kN
F-15C Eagle 258 kN
F-15E Strike Eagle 258 kN
F-14D Tomcat 249.4 kN
Su-30MKK "Flanker-G" 246 kN
Su-27 "Flanker-B" 245.6 kN
Su-33 "Flanker-D" 245.2 kN
Su-34 "Fullback" 245.2 kN
Su-30 "Flanker-C" 245.16 kN
F/A-18E Super Hornet 195.72 kN
F-35 Lightning II 191 kN
Mirage 4000 190 kN
MiG-29M "Fulcrum-E" 184.44 kN
Eurofighter Typhoon 180 kN
Rafale 174 kN
MiG-29 "Fulcrum-A" 162.8 kN
F/A-18C Hornet 158.4 kN
Tornado F Mk3 146 kN
F-16E Fighting Falcon 144 kN
Mitsubishi F-2 131.67 kN
F-16I Fighting Falcon 129.6 kN
F-16C Fighting Falcon 127 kN
Chengdu J-10 122.6 kN
Mirage 2000 95.1 kN
IAI Lavi 91.5 kN
HAL Tejas 85 kN
Chengdu FC-1 84.4 kN
F-CK-1 Ching Kuo 84 kN
JAS39 Gripen 80.5 kN
F-20 Tigershark 76 kN


5A) weapons payload

F-15E Strike Eagle 11000 kg
Rafale 9500 kg
Tornado F Mk3 9000 kg
F-35 Lightning II 8100 kg
Mitsubishi F-2 8085 kg
F/A-18E Super Hornet 8050 kg
Su-35 "Flanker-E" 8000 kg
Su-27 "Flanker-B" 8000 kg
Su-34 "Fullback" 8000 kg
F-16C Fighting Falcon 7700 kg
Eurofighter Typhoon 7500 kg
F-15C Eagle 7300 kg
IAI Lavi 7260 kg
F/A-18C Hornet 7031 kg
F-14D Tomcat 6600 kg
Su-33 "Flanker-D" 6500 kg
JAS39 Gripen 6500 kg
Mirage 2000 6300 kg
Chengdu J-10 6000 kg
F-CK-1 Ching Kuo 4000 kg
HAL Tejas 4000 kg
Chengdu FC-1 3629 kg
F-20 Tigershark 3600 kg
MiG-29 "Fulcrum" 3500 kg


5B) cannon armament rounds

F-15C Eagle 940 (20 mm)
F-15E Strike Eagle 940 (20 mm)
F-14D Tomcat 675 (20 mm)
F/A-18C Hornet 578 (20 mm)
F/A-18E Super Hornet 578 (20 mm)
F-20 Tigershark 560 (20 mm)
Mitsubishi F-2 515 (20 mm)
F-16C Fighting Falcon 515 (20 mm)
F-22A Raptor 480 (20 mm)
MiG-31 "Foxhound" 260 (23 mm)
Mirage 2000C 250 (30 mm)
MiG MFI "Flatpack" 250 (30 mm)
HAL Tejas 220 (23 mm)
Su-34 "Fullback" 180 (30 mm)
Tornado ADV 180 (27 mm)
F-35 Lightning II 180 (25 mm)
MiG-29 "Fulcrum" 150 (30 mm)
Su-27 "Flanker-B" 150 (30 mm)
Su-30 "Flanker-C" 150 (30 mm)
Su-33 "Flanker-D" 150 (30 mm)
Su-35 "Flanker-E" 150 (30 mm)
Su-30MKK "Flanker-G" 150 (30 mm)
Su-30MKI "Flanker-H" 150 (30 mm)
Eurofighter Typhoon 150 (27 mm)
Rafale 125 (30 mm)
JAS39 Gripen 120 (27 mm)


6) maximum range

F-15C Eagle 5745 km
Suhoi T-50 5500 km
F-22 Raptor 5000 km
Su-30MKI "Flanker-H" 5000 km
F-16XL Fighting Falcon 4580 km
YF-23 Black Widow II 4500 km
Su-35 "Flanker-E" 4500 km
Tornado F Mk3 4265 km
F-16C Fighting Falcon 4220 km
Su-34 "Fullback" 4000 km
MiG MFI "Flatpack" 4000 km
F-20 Tigershark 3980 km
F-15E Strike Eagle 3900 km
Eurofighter Typhoon 3790 km
Su-27 "Flanker-B" 3720 km
Rafale 3705 km
Mirage 2000 3704 km
IAI Lavi 3700 km
Chengdu J-20 3400 km
F/A-18C Hornet 3300 km
F/A-18E Super Hornet 3300 km
MiG-31 "Foxhound" 3300 km
F-14D Tomcat 3200 km
JAS39 Gripen 3200 km
Chengdu J-10 3200 km
F-35C Lightning II 3000 km
Su-33 "Flanker-D" 3000 km
Su-30 "Flanker-C" 3000 km
Su-30MKK "Flanker-G" 3000 km
HAL Tejas 3000 km
MiG-29 "Fulcrum" 2900 km
Chengdu FC-1 2037 km
Mirage 4000 2000 km
F-CK-1 Ching Kuo 1100 km


7) price

F-22 Raptor 150 mil USD
Chengdu J-20 110 mil USD
Mitsubishi F-2 108 mil USD
Eurofighter Typhoon 100.15 mil USD
Suhoi T-50 100 mil USD
F-15K Strike Eagle 100 mil USD
Rafale M 90.5 mil USD
F-35 Lightning II 89.5 mil USD
Rafale C 83.3 mil USD
MiG MFI "Flatpack" 70 mil USD
F-16I Fighting Falcon 70 mil USD
Su-35 "Flanker-E" 65 mil USD
MiG-31 "Foxhound" 60 mil USD
F/A-18E Super Hornet 57 mil USD
Su-30MKK "Flanker-G" 53 mil USD
Su-33 "Flanker-D" 50 mil USD
Su-30 "Flanker-C" 45 mil USD
JAS39 Gripen 40 mil USD
F-14D Tomcat 38 mil USD
Su-34 "Fullback" 36 mil USD
Su-30MKI "Flanker-H" 35 mil USD
F/A-18C Hornet 35 mil USD
F-15E Strike Eagle 31.1 mil USD
Su-27 "Flanker-B" 30 mil USD
F-15C Eagle 29.9 mil USD
MiG-29 "Fulcrum" 29 mil USD
Chengdu J-10 27.84 mil USD
F-16E Fighting Falcon 26.9 mil USD
F-CK-1 Ching Kuo 24 mil USD
Mirage 2000 23 mil USD
HAL Tejas 21 mil USD
F-16C Fighting Falcon 18.8 mil USD
Chengdu FC-1 15 mil USD
F-20 Tigershark 8 mil USD


8) aircraft built

F-16 Fighting Falcon 4450
MiG-29 "Fulcrum" 1600
F/A-18 Hornet 1480
F-15 Eagle 1198
F-14 Tomcat 712
Su-27 "Flanker-B" 680
Mirage 2000 601
MiG-31 "Foxhound" 500
F/A-18 Super Hornet 400
F-15 Strike Eagle 334
Tornado ADV 218
JAS39 Gripen 213
Eurofighter Typhoon 200
F-22 Raptor 166
Su-30MKK "Flanker-G" 134
F-CK-1 Ching Kuo 130
Su-30MKI "Flanker-H" 124
Mitsubishi F-2 98
Rafale 82
Chengdu J-10 80
Su-33 "Flanker-D" 34
Chengdu FC-1 20
Su-35 "Flanker-E" 18
Su-34 "Fullback" 16
F-35 Lightning II 13
HAL Tejas 10
F-20 Tigershark 3
Suhoi T-50 3
YF-23 Black Widow II 2
IAI Lavi 2
MiG MFI "Flatpack" 2
Chengdu J-20 2
Mirage 4000 1