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originally posted by: TheRedneck
he confided in me that he had 20 patients die suddenly of myocarditis with no symptomatic warning signs that he could pick up on in one month. Every single one was vaccinated shortly prior to their death. He also said if he were to raise a red flag, his medical license could be pulled.
You might want to dig past the MSM reports. Yes, much of what is reported anecdotally is also exaggerated, but at least it is not filtered through a narrative.
Conversely, when an issue begins becoming apparent we test more.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Will you bet your life on the answer to that? Should others do so?
There is no time limit on truth. The debate will be over when the truth is allowed to come out and transparency is restored to the medical field, however long that takes. Come to think of it, considering present conditions, that might actually take 1.5 centuries.
Prior to the re-definition, a vaccine was a drug that was intended to protect one against infection, with a success ratio approaching 100%. Yes, there could be breakthrough cases, but such cases were rare; now it is actually common for one to get a severe case of the very disease they were "vaccinated" against, to the point that even a regulated MSM cannot cover up the fact and has admitted that the vaccinated can still catch, transmit, and suffer severe effects from the disease regardless of vaccination status.
Similarly, mRNA allows us to manufacture simpler drugs that are not actually drugs, but are genetic material our bodies then use to create the desired substances. It is a delivery mechanism, not in itself a drug. It actually has profound possibilities in combating cancer.
All I can say is let's see the data.
Well first I don't use MSM
What was the baseline before the vaccines? There wasn't one since we did not test every male between 15 and 30 for Myocarditis, as example, to set a baseline.
In this case I'm only talking about the BS that "it's not a vaccine!"
That there is BS as we have many shots called vaccines for 100 years that do not meet your old definition but were still called a vaccine.
It's all a stupid game and only used to suggest mRNA cannot be a vaccine, but instead is an "experimental gene therapy" to generate fear porn and label it all bad to support their anti-vacc narratives.
It's like calling people you do not like Nazis to support one's arguments to try and demonize them to prove one's point.
Call it whatever we call the yearly flu shot as that is basically what it has turned into.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
Good luck. All the data is being guarded very carefully by those in charge, the same people who wanted to mandate the vaccine.
We all use MSM. One cannot completely separate themselves from the MSM narrative today unless one lives in a log cabin in the middle of the woods with no communication whatsoever. You are posting from a computer on the Internet; you have communication by definition. It's one thing to say "I don't watch CNN," but this line about "I don't listen to the MSM" is simply dishonest. Of course you do. So do I. I try to resist and question the narrative; you are not doing so. That's the only difference.
Why was this question not asked when there was all the concern over Chinese virus positive test results? We did not test everyone then either. If one listened to reports, one could hear how 30%, 40%, or more test results came back positive. One did not hear how 30%, 40%, or more test results from people with symptoms came back positive, but that was what was really happening.
The baseline can be seen if one looks at causes of death then compared to causes of deaths now. The incidence of death from myocarditiis has increased significantly. Asking for a baseline of cases in the entire population is just a way to discount what data is available.
According to the CDC, a "vaccine" now does not have to prevent any infections, just lessen the symptoms. So where's the "baseline" that shows how many people would get what level of symptoms without the vaccine compared to present figures?
But people are calling me "anti-vax".
That's an outright lie. Maybe you actually believe that, but if so you have been ignoring everything hat has been said. I'm really getting tired of having to say the same thing over and over and over because no one actually reads what I post. I have been accused of bringing in a fair amount of "snark" into threads... this is why! No matter what I say, no matter how I say it, no matter how many times I say it, those trying to debate me seem unable or unwilling to acknowledge the simplest statements.
mRNA is a PROCESS, not a DRUG!
Can you understand the difference? Do you have the mental capability to read those words? I think you actually do, but by damnation, I wish you would demonstrate it! Stop arguing what you think I meant to say and start aguing what I actually say!
Maybe if you stopped doing it so often, you'd stop expecting others to do it.
Then it was, "Just take the shot and less people will die."
Now all I hear is "Just take the shot. No promises. Just take the shot."
Might as well call us all "Nazis." Oh, wait... you just admitted that happens.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
I've never been one to really subscribe to the "killing off the population" idea... just seems someone who craves power would also want more people to exercise that power over. But damn if what you say doesn't start ringing true the further into the future we go.
TheRedneck
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: TheRedneck
I've never been one to really subscribe to the "killing off the population" idea... just seems someone who craves power would also want more people to exercise that power over. But damn if what you say doesn't start ringing true the further into the future we go.
TheRedneck
The interesting part to this idea is if that was a goal then they would want to kill off most of the old as the young are always needed as worker bees. Go all Logan Run on everyone except for the small number in power. The other side is they just do not need to as we face a serious population collapse in the next 50 years or so. Also, they really messed up with such a weak virus..lol
So much of what we have seen in this draconian rule is more a virtue signaling event from the left to say unless you use a mask, hide in your house and get vaccinated like we do then you are all evil, and we are the good ones because that is what good people do. The huge push back with alternate meds has more to do with Trump bringing them up as maybe a direction to help and Fauci and the left saying they are all bad just to attack Trump and then turning them into something stupid like suggesting Trump had people eating fish tank cleaner, or taking horse drugs etc.
I think that whole event greatly impacted any efforts to suggest other treatments are available to include monoclonal antibodies, and all of that I feel really delayed clinical trials to determine the effectiveness of other treatments.
originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
They definitely want more people as resources continue to run out. Just listen to Yuval Noah Harai, Klaus Schwabs right hand man.
Oh...wait...
I might believe this if it was somewhat isolated, but we are talking 13 billion shots all over the world. This means there should be massive serious reactions and deaths to the vaccine in EVERY country on earth, but somehow the data is all being suppressed.
I don't follow mainstream articles that are typically bias one way or the other, but boy does the other side of the coin.
At the start no one knew anything and everything we talk about up to today has been a learning process over the last two years that showed afterwards where we F'ed up big time and where we might have been correct. That learning process is still going on...
I'm not asking for a baseline, I'm saying there was no baseline to start with, so let's look at the myocarditis deaths and serious events data together. I'm just not finding what a few are suggesting.
The world calls it a vaccine, most vaccines do not meet what you and others are suggesting is the old definition though they were all still called a vaccine
I personally do not mean it in a negative way and only apply it in COVID vaccine posts, so I'm not suggesting they are against all vaccines, though some are.
The vaccine hesitant side is a hell of a lot more aggressive and extreme in their views and replies.
All I'm saying is in this case with COVID it was a process to develop SARs-2 spike protein in the effort to stimulate some level of immunity to the virus.
The vaccine did help those groups, but the government didn't stop there, and we got the draconian results.
I'll call you an ass, but never a Nazi...
You know I used that as only an example as to how people can support their narratives by applying a negative label to the other side, and not suggest anyone is one...lol geez
The interesting part to this idea is if that was a goal then they would want to kill off most of the old as the young are always needed as worker bees. Go all Logan Run on everyone except for the small number in power. The other side is they just do not need to as we face a serious population collapse in the next 50 years or so. Also, they really messed up with such a weak virus..lol
So much of what we have seen in this draconian rule is more a virtue signaling event from the left to say unless you use a mask, hide in your house and get vaccinated like we do then you are all evil, and we are the good ones because that is what good people do.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
we in the USA know what's really going on in other countries?
I'm not convinced we (as in our leaders) were dealing with an unknown.
Remember hydroxychloroquine? Many front line doctors had great success treating cases with a combination of it, zinc, and some other supplements. Hydroxychloroquine has been used for decades with precious few ill side effects as long as well-known contraindicators are taken into account. Yet suddenly it was said to be this highly dangerous drug and finally was outlawed... literally outlawed... for treatment based on flawed studies by the CDC that refused to duplicate the treatments being touted.
I'd like to know where those "successes" in fighting the virus are.
but every single thing we have done in consideration of this "plandemic," whether it be official actions to "prevent the spread" or "remove disinformation," has made it worse.
Now you want others to trust these "vaccines" that show no noticeable difference
There are death statistics going back decades. They all show a sudden increase in heart disease that correlates with "vaccine" use.
Yes, they do. And I don't care what "the world" called something. I know what the term meant during my lifetime, and it was indeed consistent with what I have been saying. Finding someone somewhere who uses an incorrect term is playing semantics. You''ll play that game by yourself. The official change in the CDC definition, coinciding with the introduction and failure of the "vaccine" to meet the old definition, is not a conspiracy theory. It happened. It is documented.
Thus, applying that same label now to someone who resists an obviously questionable injection based on scientific questions about future effects that are not being addressed is an attempt to socially pressure them into silence.
Whether or not you personally mean to do so is irrelevant. You play right into the hands of those who do have such nefarious intent when you use the same twisted language.
What you were saying by calling the mRNA process a "drug" is that any drug which uses the mRNA process is the same. It is not. Words have meanings, and the misuse of words, intentionally in this case I believe, is a known methodology to try and control public opinion. I call people out when they misuse words in such a manner, because I do not want the issues twisted into something they are not. When you do not call people out, but instead acquiesce to their methodology, you support that methodology, intentional or not.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
I cannot make that statement. Remember the elderly couple I mentioned above? They were both fully "vaccinated," wore masks and gloves everywhere they went outside their home, didn't leave their property for months (had supplies delivered, stopped attending church, etc.), and followed every single precaution they could possibly follow. Both contracted a serious case of the virus and required hospitalization.
All valid points on the face, agreed. Which is why I struggle with the idea that the virus was an attempt at population control. If anything,I think it would have been more an attempt at control of the population. And it appears to have succeeded.
don't feed TheRedneck broccoli!