Buffalo Bills player collapses on field

a reply to: frogs453

Here is the real question...

If COVID itself can increase the risk of myocarditis, and the mRNA COVID vaccines also increase the risk of myocarditis. Knowing that mRNA COVID vaccines do not prevent infection, what is the total risk of both combined?

My comment is on topic because we are discussing the potential cause of the player's collapse. I posted an article that links myocarditis to increased chances of lethal ventricular arrhythmias following blunt chest trauma.

Let's call a spade a spade. The sheer amount of this happening, JUST on the fields of sports, is overwhelming, not to mention to everyone else everywhere else.

Males: heart problems after vax, especially young males.

I don't need any more information. I don't need a "study" - it's obvious. Wake up.

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1
a reply to: frogs453

Here is the real question...

If COVID itself can increase the risk of myocarditis, and the mRNA COVID vaccines also increase the risk of myocarditis. Knowing that mRNA COVID vaccines do not prevent infection, what is the total risk of both combined?

Good frigging question.

The Topic is:
Buffalo Bills player collapses on field

It is not a vaccine thread. It is not about mandates. And it is not about other members.
Go after the ball not the player.

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originally posted by: More1ThanAny1
a reply to: frogs453

My comment is on topic because we are discussing the potential cause of the player's collapse. I posted an article that links myocarditis to increased chances of lethal ventricular arrhythmias following blunt chest trauma.

I have to agree, this is ATS conspiracy at it's core, if there was nothing to it, we wouldn't be on page 11 talking about it.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1
a reply to: frogs453

My comment is on topic because we are discussing the potential cause of the player's collapse. I posted an article that links myocarditis to increased chances of lethal ventricular arrhythmias following blunt chest trauma.

I have to agree, this is ATS conspiracy at it's core, if there was nothing to it, we wouldn't be on page 11 talking about it.

Why can't this be moved to the conspiracy section so its on topic?

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1
a reply to: frogs453

My comment is on topic because we are discussing the potential cause of the player's collapse. I posted an article that links myocarditis to increased chances of lethal ventricular arrhythmias following blunt chest trauma.

I have to agree, this is ATS conspiracy at it's core, if there was nothing to it, we wouldn't be on page 11 talking about it.

lou holtz
just mentioned the vax
on laura ingraham.

Cardiac arrest induced by myocarditis caused by the Covid vaccine.

My job is done here.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: Rasputin13
Longtime member here who reads often but seldom comments, especially with how much political pandering and bickering goes on here.

It didn't take long for the anti-vax crowd to show their heads last night. And it was despicable. Before the man had even gotten into the ambulance I was already seeing it online. Talk about a complete lack of class. There is legitimate concern when it comes to the vaccine, but there is also this complete overreaction to blame just about every death or ailment on it as well.

Now I'm seeing absurd comments on here discounting the notion that his cardiac arrest could have been the result of a hit because he possibly had a thin layer of padding on, or because he stood up immediately after. Just look at the case of Chuck Hughes, the only NFL player to die during a game. He took a big hit, got up and continued until collapsing 3 plays later while clutching his chest. It may not have been the same exact injury, but it is an example of the results of catastrophic injuries not being immediately apparent. The fact that an extremely healthy and in-shape individual would bounce back up from a big hit as they have been doing half their life, only to then succumb to cardiac arrest, does not mean it was the result of a vaccine.

For anyone to speculate such in the absence of ANY evidence is an insult to Damar Hamlin and his family. Some people really need to get a life, remove the tinfoil hat and leave their mother's basement. I suppose Anne Heche died from the vaccine rather than being drunk and high and crashing into a house, right?

Yeah, yeah here we go. If you question the gubmint / big pharma narrative, it's an insult to the family. Wanting to know the truth is an insult to big pharmas bank accounts.

But you aren't after the truth, so there is that.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Any comment on this?

Sudden cardiac death risk in contact sports increased by myocarditis: a case series
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Conclusion:

The occurrence of chest wall trauma during sports activities is frequent and, under very specific conditions, can be associated with severe ventricular arrhythmia. A sequela of myocarditis increases the risk of lethal ventricular arrhythmias following blunt chest trauma. Further studies and systematic CMR assessments should be performed to evaluate the potentially higher risk of LVTA and the benefit of and an adaptation of the rules, in terms of health and medico-economic aspects.

a reply to: Justoneman

He didn't take it off, it wasn't installed in his car. The HANS device wasn't required until after his accident. Several other drivers were killed before him due to similar accidents, but at the time he was killed, it was still optional.

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Any comment on this?

Sudden cardiac death risk in contact sports increased by myocarditis: a case series
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Conclusion:

The occurrence of chest wall trauma during sports activities is frequent and, under very specific conditions, can be associated with severe ventricular arrhythmia. A sequela of myocarditis increases the risk of lethal ventricular arrhythmias following blunt chest trauma. Further studies and systematic CMR assessments should be performed to evaluate the potentially higher risk of LVTA and the benefit of and an adaptation of the rules, in terms of health and medico-economic aspects.

Yes! I don't trust this guys opinion!

Grégoire Massoullié is a electrophysiologist at Clermont-Ferrand University Hospital. He completed his residency in Clermont-Ferrand and his fellowship in arrhythmia management at Bordeaux University Hospital (IHU LIRYC, Pr Haïssaguerre).

From Your Link

originally posted by: jerryznv

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Any comment on this?

Sudden cardiac death risk in contact sports increased by myocarditis: a case series
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Conclusion:

The occurrence of chest wall trauma during sports activities is frequent and, under very specific conditions, can be associated with severe ventricular arrhythmia. A sequela of myocarditis increases the risk of lethal ventricular arrhythmias following blunt chest trauma. Further studies and systematic CMR assessments should be performed to evaluate the potentially higher risk of LVTA and the benefit of and an adaptation of the rules, in terms of health and medico-economic aspects.

Yes! I don't trust this guys opinion!

Grégoire Massoullié is a electrophysiologist at Clermont-Ferrand University Hospital. He completed his residency in Clermont-Ferrand and his fellowship in arrhythmia management at Bordeaux University Hospital (IHU LIRYC, Pr Haïssaguerre).

From Your Link

Um, I'm missing the link here that that dude and his resume are grounds to dismiss or approve anything he's got to say, in general, let alone in any potentially controversial specifics.

In this NIH study, it covers sudden death of athletes from the years 2014-2018:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

"A total of 617 players(mean age 34 + or - 16 years, 96% men) with sudden death were reported from 67 countries; 142 players(23%) survived."
That's 617 players over the course of 4 years in 67 countries.

In this PubMed study from 1966 to 2004, SCD occurred in 1101 reported cases in athletes under 35 years. 50% had congenital anatomical heart disease & cardiomyopathies and 10% had early onset atherosclerotic heart diesase.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

And here, we can see that since the injections came out, there have been "1616 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues. 1114 of Them Dead."
goodsciencing.com...

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Justoneman

He didn't take it off, it wasn't installed in his car. The HANS device wasn't required until after his accident. Several other drivers were killed before him due to similar accidents, but at the time he was killed, it was still optional.

I heard this as well.

Add the fact he wore an open faced helmet.

a reply to: godsovein

Um, I'm missing the link here that that dude and his resume are grounds to dismiss or approve anything he's got to say, in general, let alone in any potentially controversial specifics.

What? He's the lead author, listed at the top of the link and all throughout it...and then there's this:

Links to his addition articles

Whether or not "that dude and his resume" are grounds to dismiss or approve anything wasn't really the point. I mean me, with my resume is grounds to dismiss or approve anything specific isn't it? I mean what's left? Dismiss or approve...I suppose there is the grey area...which is neither approving of disproving but that's kind of a stretch!

What are "controversial specifics"? The specifics you determine to be controversial or might the specifics I determine to be controversial suffice?

Your argument (or attempt at it) is invalid and conflicting from the get go! First of all that dude and his resume was pulled strait from the link that I responded to...and then there is the approve of disprove specifics (yet to be defined), so go pound sand until you come back with something valid and substantial to discuss!

a reply to: crazyeddie68

Everything I heard said that he hated the idea of having it installed. He couldn’t stand the thought of it restricting his movement.