Malachi martin 1996 interview

a reply to: whereislogic

What's the point of having faith if you don't know if it's good or evil speaking to you?

What ever happened at Fatima it was prophesied hence 50 thousand people present but the sun didn’t dance and the apparition was not the Virgin Mary and there were no secrets told. A priest present on the day called it the work of the devil. Bearing in mind that in 1918 Fatima was a rural Portuguese backwater the go to people for answers to anything was the church. But the church couldn’t explain it so hijacked the event and called it religious. Jacinta was taken away to a nunnery in Spain and held incommunicado by the Jesuits her memoirs were published years later when surprise surprise the secret’s appeared. Read her memoirs she also says JC came to her whilst in Spain lol whys this venue not glorified?

a reply to: Creep Thumper

Well if you had no way of telling either way it would be pointless. Luckily, that's not the case with these apparitions connected to Roman Catholicism and its teachings.

How is it possible to decide whether apparitions are authentic or not? This article deals with that question in detail:

Miracles and Apparitions​—Signs From God? (Awake!—1989)

“MIRACLES today are still taken to be . . . a sort of letter of recommendation, a guarantee of God’s authentic message, his almighty seal on a mission or word coming from him.” The miracles here referred to by Joseph Vandrisse, correspondent at the Vatican for the French daily Le Figaro, are naturally those approved by the Catholic Church. But what are the church’s criteria for determining whether a miracle or an apparition truly comes from God?

Should the Church Judge Its Own Case?

According to Catholic authorities, apparitions must satisfy two conditions. First, they must be in harmony with the church’s teachings. A striking example is the apparition at Lourdes, where the “Virgin” presented herself as “The Immaculate Conception.” Interestingly, a few years before this, Pope Pius IX had decreed that at conception Mary was preserved free from original sin. In 1933 the future Pius XII expressed his opinion that the two events were linked, stating: “The Immaculate Virgin, Mother of God and blessed among women, wished to confirm with her own lips that which was defined in Rome by her infallible Supreme Pontiff. This she did soon afterward in a famous apparition at the Massabielle Grotto [Lourdes].”

Second, the conduct of the one who saw the apparition must be considered. As the bishop of Tours stated: “The church . . . believed in the apparitions [at Lourdes] because of Bernadette’s holiness.” And the ecclesiastical authorities consider that both Bernadette and Lucie, who claimed to have seen Mary at Lourdes and Fátima respectively, met this condition by later becoming nuns.

The messages transmitted were in agreement with Catholic teaching. The visionaries’ lives were in harmony with the model established by the church. In these cases, it is hardly surprising that the apparitions recognized by the Catholic Church confirm her own traditions and doctrines exclusively, even the most recent ones, such as the Immaculate Conception.

But are miracles and apparitions actually signs from heaven that prove the veracity of the church’s teachings? J. Bricout, editor of the Dictionnaire pratique des connaissances religieuses (Dictionary of Religious Knowledge), quoted another Catholic author, P. Buysse, who wrote: “As the miracles of Lourdes have a specific connection with ‘beliefs peculiar to the Catholic Church’ (the Immaculate Conception, the definition of this dogma by pontifical authority, veneration of the Blessed Sacrament, veneration of the Virgin Mary, and so forth), one may, rather, one must recognize that ‘the doctrines of the church bear the seal of God’s approval.’”

However, the Catholic Church cannot rightfully claim such a divine warrant. By taking upon itself the authority to decide whether apparitions (and associated miracles) come from God or not, it is setting itself up as judge of its own case.

Many other religions allege evidence of miracles and claim to have God’s support. Is God behind the miracles performed in the charismatic movements (including non-Catholic ones) or even in non-Christian religions? It is difficult to believe that he is, for the Bible tells us that God is “a God, not of disorder, but of peace.”​—1 Corinthians 14:33.

What is the correct basis for judging? The book Les signes de crédibilité de la révélation chrétienne (Signs of Credibility of the Christian Revelation) explained that the criteria for considering a miracle to be authentic are principally moral and religious.

True to the Revelation?

According to various Catholic authors, “the First requirement is that the message transmitted be true to the revelation of the Gospel and doctrinal tradition of the church.” “No new revelation can modify the initial revelation.” Also, Pope John Paul II explained that “the message that was given at Fátima in 1917 contains the whole truth of the Gospel.” All of this means that above all, the message given by such apparitions must conform to the “revelation,” the Holy Scriptures. Does this really prove to be the case?

What conclusions can be drawn from the visions of a fiery hell given to the shepherds in Fátima? The Scriptures clearly show that sinners are not punished in this way when they die. Jesus himself stated that we should be in fear of the One that can destroy both soul and body, thus showing that the soul can die. Other Bible texts clearly teach that there is no consciousness in death and that the hope of living again is based on the Bible promise of a future resurrection.​—Matthew 10:28; Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10; John 5:28, 29.

And what about the “Immaculate Conception” that Bernadette spoke about? This again is a flagrant contradiction of Bible teaching. The Scriptures show that Mary, like all of Adam’s descendants, was ‘conceived in sin’ and inherited death. (Psalm 51:5; Romans 3:23) If Mary was conceived without sin, why did she present a sin offering after the birth of Jesus? (Leviticus 12:6; Luke 2:22-24) Moreover, there is not a single Bible text to support the Catholic doctrine that says that she was preserved from original sin by special grace. Since the worship of Mary has no Scriptural foundation, it is quite logical to raise questions as to whether her apparitions are from God.

Could They Be From Another Source?

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Myth 1: The Soul Is Immortal (One Myth Leads to Another)

What is the origin of the myth?

“The early Christian philosophers adopted the Greek concept of the soul’s immortality and thought of the soul as being created by God and infused into the body at conception.”​—The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1988), Volume 11, page 25.

What does the Bible say?

“The soul that sinneth, it shall die.”​—Ezekiel 18:4, King James Version.

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The doctrine of the immortality of the soul raised questions: Where do souls go after death? What happens to the souls of the wicked? When nominal Christians adopted the myth of the immortal soul, this led them to accept another myth​—the teaching of hellfire.

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Myth 2: The Wicked Suffer in Hell

What is the origin of the myth?

“Of all classical Greek philosophers, the one who has had the greatest influence on traditional views of Hell is Plato.”​—Histoire des enfers (The History of Hell), by Georges Minois, page 50.

“From the middle of the 2nd century AD Christians who had some training in Greek philosophy began to feel the need to express their faith in its terms . . . The philosophy that suited them best was Platonism [the teachings of Plato].”​—The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1988), Volume 25, page 890.

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What does the Bible say?

“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, . . . for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.”​—Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, Revised Standard Version.

The Hebrew word Sheol, which referred to the “abode of the dead,” is translated “hell” in some versions of the Bible. What does this passage reveal about the condition of the dead? Do they suffer in Sheol in order to atone for their errors? No, for they “know nothing.” That is why the patriarch Job, when suffering terribly because of a severe illness, begged God: “Protect me in hell [Hebrew, Sheol].” (Job 14:13; Douay-Rheims Version) What meaning would his request have had if Sheol was a place of eternal torment? Hell, in the Biblical sense, is simply the common grave of mankind, where all activity has ceased.

Is not this definition of hell more logical and in harmony with Scripture? What crime, however horrible, could cause a God of love to torture a person endlessly? (1 John 4:8) But if hellfire is a myth, what about heaven?

Compare these Bible verses: Psalm 146:3, 4; Acts 2:25-27; Romans 6:7, 23

FACT:

God does not punish people in hell

a reply to: Creep Thumper

And all that (see previous response) takes us back to this point made earlier regarding the subject of faith (from my earlier response when I was discussing that subject):

Lack of accurate Bible knowledge: The Bible is a product of God’s spirit, being inspired by God. (2 Tim. 3:16, 17; 2 Sam. 23:2) Failure to study it hinders any development of true faith. Although church members may have Bibles, if they have been taught the ideas of men instead of the Word of God, they will lack real faith in God and his purpose. To solve life’s problems, they will be inclined to rely on their own ideas and those of other humans.—Compare Matthew 15:3-9.

When Tradition Conflicts With Truth

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Polluting the Waters of Truth

Traditions that conflict with truth are like polluted water supplies. We might innocently hold fast to traditions​—information, opinions, beliefs, or customs handed down from one generation to the next—​that have, in fact, been contaminated by “a witch’s brew” of false, misleading ideas and philosophies. Just like contaminated water, these may cause untold harm​—spiritual harm.

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Think of the harm that traditional beliefs caused some of the Jews of Jesus’ day. They fervently believed that their traditions were true. When they protested that Jesus’ disciples did not keep the traditions, Jesus challenged them with the question: “Why is it you also overstep the commandment of God because of your tradition?” (Matthew 15:1-3) What had gone wrong? Jesus identified the problem when he quoted the words of the prophet Isaiah: “It is in vain that they keep worshiping [God], because they teach commands of men as doctrines.”​—Matthew 15:9; Isaiah 29:13.

Yes, in place of truths that originated with God, they substituted ideas that originated with men or, worse still, that originated with the demons. ...

Christendom Adds to the Pollution

Similar spiritual damage was caused after Jesus’ death. Many who claimed to be his followers appealed to oral tradition as authority for new teachings. According to the Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, by McClintock and Strong, some so-called Christians felt that such tradition was “instruction received from the mouth of the apostles by the first Christian churches, transmitted from the apostolic age, and preserved in purity until their own time.”​—Italics ours.

In reality many of these traditions were impure, wrong ideas. As the Cyclopedia explains, these new philosophies were “not only at variance with other traditions, but with the very writings of the apostles which they had in their hands.” This was not totally unexpected. The apostle Paul had warned Christians: “Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry you off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ.”​—Colossians 2:8.

Today, also, many traditional beliefs are ‘at variance with the very writings of the apostles.’ Christendom has poisoned the waters of truth with numerous demon-inspired ideas, such as the Trinity, hellfire, immortality of the human soul, nationalism, and idolatry.* (1 Timothy 4:1-3) History testifies to the spiritual sickness that has overtaken people who fell prey to the demonic teachings that have become the traditional teachings of Christendom.​—Compare Isaiah 1:4-7.

Such contaminating of truth has, in fact, been going on from man’s beginning. Satan has continued the process he started in Eden of poisoning people’s minds with lies and deceit. (John 8:44; 2 Corinthians 11:3) As the human family spread throughout the earth following the Flood of Noah’s day, people of all cultures became victims of a deliberate poisoning of the reservoirs of human knowledge with demon-inspired philosophies and ideas.

Effects of Spiritual Pollution

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“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome* [Or “healthful; beneficial.”] teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.* [Or “to tell them what they want to hear.”] They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.” (2 Timothy 4:3,4)

“So we should no longer be children, tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in deceptive schemes.” (Ephesians 4:14)

“However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron.”(1 Timothy 4:1,2).

The short answer is faith is pointless. You don't know whose voice it is in your head that is talking to you.

Could be God. Could be the devil. We don't know.

Miracles should be regarded as a confirmation of the revelation brought forward by the gospels.
If some supernatural event takes place it must be in accordance with scripture and doctrine. At least in the Catholic church.
Evil prey on the genuinely sacred.
Hence, more than faith, it should be up to reason to discern the truth because what many call "faith" is nothing but "feeling" and superstition. True faith does not rely on the way a purported miracle resembles or what emotional satisfaction it brings, but whether it is compliant with what we know of God coming from historical tradition and texts because these are the cumulative experience of the people of God built on and discerned throughout the millennia.

a reply to: whereislogic

What you say is true in general.
I have never seen, read, or seriously known of any account by Portuguese scholars and researchers that corroborate such a statement regarding Jacinta.
The message of Fatima on the other hand is a message for the conversion of sinners, a call for daily prayer of the rosary meditating on the mysteries within the stories of the new testament, and finally on the consecration of nations to the protection of Mary. All these are coherent with the church doctrine and scripture's teachings.
Hence the approval from Rome deemed these private revelations worthy of trust, but subject to personal and individual discernment.

a reply to: redchad

Lucia had visitations throughout her life. Many totally private.
This is nothing new and happens to a lot of mystics. Location is not an issue.
As for the report that the dancing sun did not happen, it does not bear any truth. I had family members there on the day and their accounts passed down to the descendants are the same as the story we know of.

a reply to: Falkner
Seriously! The sun quite obviously didn’t dance or move around erratically! ( the whole world would’ve seen this and reports would have been world wide) but the audience certainly saw something! After all that’s why they were there. All four seears were interviewed after all the events infact after the August event they were arrested. The interview records are in the archive at Fatima and none describes the Virgin Mary infact jacinta drew a picture of the small girl seen on visitations. The church hijacked the event.

a reply to: redchad

As a supernatural event, you cannot find proof within the physical laws, but on the rules of the supernatural.
Regardless of whether the sun left orbit physically, that was the perception of the 70k people there, whose wet clothes became instantly dry. There are pictures of the sun at the horizon line when it should be up. The picture you mention Jacinta drawing, I couldn't find any reference to it online.

Regardless... more than the physical aspects, my interest in Malachi Martin's missing 1996 interview is due to the prophecies of Fátima pertaining to Russia and Kiev as the keys to the decisive battle prophecized in Fatima. Malachi divulged that much.

If someone finds out the full video, I would deeply appreciate it. Thank you.

in this vid we get a NEW INFO on Fatima Third Secret.
Regardless of the biased approach of the presenter who after giving the credible info from Malachi Martin, puts other unapproved apparitions afterwards.

What we get from Malachi Martin is tremendous. He who participated in the meeting of John Paul II in Fulda, testifies that the pope mentioned the following:

3 days of darkness
A whole nation will be wiped out
The earth will be afflicted by epidemics without cure
Volcanoes will erupt all around the world
The Soviets could have had an edge over the West

I dont rule out that the whole Malachi Martin thing is a carefully designed psyop. Just think about it: if there was a secret that contains the future of humanity on one hand, and if there was a tool to prevent the doomsday on another (i.e. consecration of Russia or whatever), wouldn't those powerful people in Vatican do everything to fulfill it to the letter? To assure 21st century is under their spiritual influence?

Instead what we see was the next lame duck consecration of Russia that couldnt even stop a conventional war that wasn't there 2 years ago, much less to bring the world era of peace, as allegedly promised by the Virgin. Something is wrong. So...don't pay attention to those elaborated stories, pay attention to your own interior feelings and reasonable judgment for what you see happening.

originally posted by: Falkner
a reply to: redchad

As a supernatural event, you cannot find proof within the physical laws, but on the rules of the supernatural.
Regardless of whether the sun left orbit physically, that was the perception of the 70k people there, whose wet clothes became instantly dry. There are pictures of the sun at the horizon line when it should be up. The picture you mention Jacinta drawing, I couldn't find any reference to it online.

Regardless... more than the physical aspects, my interest in Malachi Martin's missing 1996 interview is due to the prophecies of Fátima pertaining to Russia and Kiev as the keys to the decisive battle prophecized in Fatima. Malachi divulged that much.

If someone finds out the full video, I would deeply appreciate it. Thank you.

I don’t like advertising books but there is a book by Joachim Fernandez called heavenly lights. His co author had access to the archives at Fatima. There is an image/copy of the girl the seears saw along with all the interview records made by them at the time. Guess what no Virgin Mary and no secrets. Lucia’s memoirs came 10 year later and are noticeably similar to the carmalite beliefs of which Lucia became a nun of. In fact the polish pope (don’t know his name tended to ignore her later rants. It’s all there just do your research.

originally posted by: Falkner
It encompasses some statements regarding the 3rd secret of Fátima

Sister Lucia had already given an indication for interpreting the third part of the «secret»‌:

The third part of the secret refers to Our Lady's words: 'If not [Russia] will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. (13-VII-1917).

Repeatedly, Martin stressed that "Russia according to the text of the Third Secret, was the regulator or the timetable.

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a reply to: imitator
Erm! There was no Mary or secrets given to the shepherds on October the 17th or the months leading up to it. It was called the miracle of the sun by a journalist and the name caught on. Lucia was taken into cloisters in Porto then Moved to Spain. She was managed by the jesuits and held incommunicado. The other two died of Spanish flu, her memoirs were published 10 years later. It is noticeable how Lucia’s beliefs are in accordance with the Carmelite narrative probably explains why she became a Carmelite nun. She says in her memoirs that JC and Mary visited her in cloister’s in Spain and told her that Saturday should be the holy day as opposed to Sunday (a carmelite belief) if this is the case why didn’t the Catholic Church put the brakes on everything and change the holy day back to Saturday (because that’s what it originally was) I mean JC and Mary had spoken. They didn’t do anything because they new Lucia was being manipulated by the Jesuits.

a reply to: imitator

I was only hoping someone had the link to the entire Malachi 1996 interview with Bernard when he mentions it.
It is the only interview I have not been able to find so far.