Biological sex & gender identity

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

You would think someone in the medical profession would know that ... or have you forgotten that about DB already?

Are you kidding me?

I have a birth defect it took 50 years to discover.

I've seen more doctors, had more tests, been to more clinics than I care to count.

Medical professionals are just people -- and are very limited to what's in front of them.

Reach beyond their comfort zone? That's a laugh.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

Again, why am I not trans? If that's how it all works, I should be a little boy locked in a girl's body, but I'm not and never have been. Intead, I'm a high functioning female athlete having benefited from the physical benefits of that exposure. Like it or not testosterone is a hell of a drug, but not one that makes your brain male.

Women have testosterone. They have to have it during development especially.

There are so many cascades that happen when you upset what nature has done for hundreds of thousands of years.

I used to teach my students an experiment about messing with hormones.

TSH3 and TSH4 (thyroid stimulating hormones) are key in development of frogs.

Too much of one or too little of another and you end up with a tadpole with lungs that will drown or a frog with gills and will suffocate.

And we've seen generations now of messing with kids and young adults with brain candy and hormone therapy.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: quintessentone

My Masters degree is in Developmental Neurobiology. I taught graduate level courses in Endocrinology.

Boys are boys.

Girls are girls.

Did you repeat any of Dr. Dick Swaab's research? If so please provide links to your research as I am a lifelong learner with an open mind.

Swaab is best known for his research and discoveries in the field of brain anatomy and physiology, in particular the impact that various hormonal and biochemical factors in the womb have on brain development.[3][7] Another area of Swaab's work, which has drawn much attention, is his research on how sexual dimorphism relates to brain anatomy, as well as research relating to sexual orientation and transsexuality. Through his years of research, Swaab, according to his own words, came to the deterministic and materialistic conclusion that brains are not things we have, but rather brains are what we are: the physical and chemical processes in our brains determine how we react and who we are.[citation needed] Currently, Swaab is most active in the field of depression and Alzheimer's research.[8]

Swaab's research has on several occasions produced controversy. After conducting research suggesting links between brain anatomy and sexual orientation, Swaab reports receiving death threats from individuals believing this work was attempting to 'pathologize' homosexuality and treat it as a biological abnormality or disorder.[9][10] Swaab's view that neither free will nor metaphysical entities such as souls or spirits exist has also caused negative reactions among various religious groups.[11][12] Swaab consistently defends his studies in the face of such criticism.[13]

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a reply to: quintessentone

Wait ... so the guy doing revolutionary reseach on trans folk is DICK ... SWAB?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

Wait ... so the guy doing revolutionary reseach on trans folk is DICK ... SWAB?

Oh shoot...I nearly pissed myself!

That is funny stuff...I don't care who you are...if you can't laugh at that you're not human!

originally posted by: DBCowboy
This whole argument is stupid.

Boys are boys, and girls are girls.

Demanding that we pander to delusions is foolish and insane.

I believe that I am King of the planet Earth. All must obey me and pay me money.

Either everyone starts pandering to me or, admit that this whole social issue is nuts.

You can't have it both ways.

Did you say that boys are boys and girls are girls?
This doesn't go well with the woke crowd. They will eat you alive!

originally posted by: jerryznv

originally posted by: DBCowboy
This whole argument is stupid.

Boys are boys, and girls are girls.

Demanding that we pander to delusions is foolish and insane.

I believe that I am King of the planet Earth. All must obey me and pay me money.

Either everyone starts pandering to me or, admit that this whole social issue is nuts.

You can't have it both ways.

100% agree...the whole social issue is nuts!

Boys are boys and girls are girls!

Are you sure?!

What able the woke crowd? They won't be happy with such 'revelations'.

So I suppose you also say that there are only two genders.

The woke crowd says there are 150

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: jerryznv

originally posted by: DBCowboy
This whole argument is stupid.

Boys are boys, and girls are girls.

Demanding that we pander to delusions is foolish and insane.

I believe that I am King of the planet Earth. All must obey me and pay me money.

Either everyone starts pandering to me or, admit that this whole social issue is nuts.

You can't have it both ways.

100% agree...the whole social issue is nuts!

Boys are boys and girls are girls!

Are you sure?!

What able the woke crowd? They won't be happy with such 'revelations'.

So I suppose you also say that there are only two genders.

The woke crowd says there are 150

Well there is also 78+ pronouns...

I don't know all of them either...so I just use the ones I know...the ones my parent's used...their parent's before them used!!!

I guess I'm just not with the woke culture...technology is hard enough to keep up with!

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: quintessentone

My Masters degree is in Developmental Neurobiology. I taught graduate level courses in Endocrinology.

Boys are boys.

Girls are girls.

It doesn't matter where you taught and what your background is.

Are you abiding by the demands of the woke crowd and the demands of the transgender ideology?

That's what it matters mostly.

a reply to: Annee
a reply to: quintessentone


The questions remain the same and have not been answered. There is a lot of avoidance as it seems and it has been proposed that I should ask the right questions as the ones I asked bring you in a difficult position and are not convenient.

1) What determines biological sex?
2) What is woman?
3) Is a transwoman a woman?

Before you start to engage in debates for which you are confusing basic facts in human and evolutionary biology, first you need to answer these questions.

It is amazing to what extents you went to avoid the questions and talk about 'brain functions' and 'transgender brains' when you are not quite sure what is the chromosomal make up of a woman.

The most absurd attempt was to try to argue about transgenderism on the basis of very rare sex development disorders such as intersex which had nothing to do with transgender individuals.

a reply to: quintessentone

Have you noticed, I'm sure it's just a coincidence, that Asmodeus3 and Quadrivium have the exact same posting style.

Black and White -- exact answer -- nothing else will do.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: quintessentone

Have you noticed, I'm sure it's just a coincidence, that Asmodeus3 and Quadrivium have the exact same posting style.

Black and White -- exact answer -- nothing else will do.

Are you able to answer any of the questions posed? Or you will fudge the questions for once more?

It's rather easy.
What is a woman? Let's start with this one..

I'm an empath, and feel for others,
But I will not lie for anyone.
The hell with that.

Fact of Life :
ALL women have Fallopian Tubes,
Males have sperm.
Even if one would transition,
they could not reform sperm nor Fallopian tubes.
To say that they can makes them liars.
I will never enable lies. End of story, no
debate, no argument
I will not perpetrate a lie.


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originally posted by: ToneDeaf
I'm an empath, and feel for others,
But I will not lie for anyone.
The hell with that.

Fact of Life :
ALL women have Fallopian Tubes,
Males have sperm.
Even if one would transition,
they could not reform sperm nor Fallopian tubes.
To say that they can makes them liars.
I will never enable lies. End of story, no
debate, no argument
I will not perpetrate a lie.


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Only the woke crowd believes in this nonsense i.e that biological sex can be changed because you mutilate parts of your body and start hormonal 'therapy'.

a reply to: Annee

It doesn't however devolve, unless you count social sciences, which is what you're really referring to.

You can't understand kindergarten level basic biology but have the audacity to question the credentials of someone with a masters degree in the very field of study we're discussing.

Academia is not perfect however it's more logical than your gibberish, based entirely on feelings.

At this point everyone other than your unhinged cronies are laughing at your stupidity.

a reply to: ketsuko

I noticed that earlier, he's not even saying what Annee thinks he's saying. There's no denial of basic biology for example, simply that people have different levels of masculinity and femininity dependent on their exposure to hormones like testosterone.

What she fails to grasp is this has no bearing on the cellular makeup of an individual or their reproductive organs. It's the usual strawman argument she turns to when in the face of overwhelming evidence.

To anyone who thinks you can change genetics and cells using thoughts and feelings. I challenge you to identify as a bird, walk to the nearest tall cliff, and then jump while flapping your "wings".

a reply to: Asmodeus3

the ideas that sex, adulthood/childhood and age can be social constructs should give everyone deep pause for concern in terms of the overall direction of travel.. even missing out the simple questions like what types of people would want to keep children in a prepubescent state into the age of consent are worrying enough.

this is all starting to smell of the hijacking of the gay rights movement in the 70s and 80s..

I've said a few times in other threads that the covid response will not be the main tipping point for dissolution of the west and or the usa but rather its this one.. especially down the rabbit hole of age as a social construct.

a reply to: Grenade


I have asked them a series of questions and they are unable and/or unwilling to answer. One of them told me that I am asking the wrong questions!

1) What determines biological sex?
2) What is woman?
3) Is a transwoman a woman?


I stead they will fudge the questions and start the whatabouterism and strawman arguments.

a reply to: Annee

Did they find your vocal cords wired to your anus?