Biological sex & gender identity

a reply to: quintessentone

Annee just got saying they didn't know, but you are here claiming it's science now? You guys need to get on the same page.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: quintessentone

I think you need to read the more basis material. You have missed large parts as it seems in human and evolutionary biology at a basis level.

What determines biological sex?

I am commenting on what determines gender identity and I am not debating what determines physical biological sex, except when it comes to intersex cases.

Intersex is a sex development disorder not a different type of biological sex. Hence biological males and females with mixed characteristics due to their disorder.

medlineplus.gov...

Intersex is a group of conditions in which there is a discrepancy between the external genitals and the internal genitals (the testes and ovaries).

The older term for this condition is hermaphroditism. Although the older terms are still included in this article for reference, they have been replaced by most experts, patients, and families. Increasingly, this group of conditions is being called disorders of sex development (DSDs).

On the other hand gender identity is a term that emanates from the woke ideology.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

Annee just got saying they didn't know, but you are here claiming it's science now? You guys need to get on the same page.

Well the science I read relayed that they believe they know and of course it's in the early stages so I'm sure they don't know everything yet. We are not reading the same studies, so of course there are different takes.

a reply to: quintessentone

So science doesn't actually know either. They don't even have enough to make a theory with. They are just looking for something to fit their beliefs at this point.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: quintessentone

I think you need to read the more basis material. You have missed large parts as it seems in human and evolutionary biology at a basis level.

What determines biological sex?

I am commenting on what determines gender identity and I am not debating what determines physical biological sex, except when it comes to intersex cases.

Intersex is a sex development disorder not a different type of biological sex. Hence biological males and females with mixed characteristics due to their disorder.

medlineplus.gov...

Intersex is a group of conditions in which there is a discrepancy between the external genitals and the internal genitals (the testes and ovaries).

The older term for this condition is hermaphroditism. Although the older terms are still included in this article for reference, they have been replaced by most experts, patients, and families. Increasingly, this group of conditions is being called disorders of sex development (DSDs).

On the other hand gender identity is a term that emanates from the woke ideology.

The woke ideology to me is not the woke ideology to you. Terms which emanate from any ideology are from that ideology but as for gender identity - that term is from the psychiatry field and has been around since 1964 (The term gender identity was coined by psychiatry professor Robert J. Stoller in 1964 and popularized by psychologist John Money) so are you saying the YOUR woke ideology has been around since then?

a reply to: quintessentone

Ironic that the person who coined it was from the "u sad, bro? I haz pill for dat" branch of psychology. And look at the cost of being transgender - medications and operations for life!

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: quintessentone

I think you need to read the more basis material. You have missed large parts as it seems in human and evolutionary biology at a basis level.

What determines biological sex?

I am commenting on what determines gender identity and I am not debating what determines physical biological sex, except when it comes to intersex cases.

Intersex is a sex development disorder not a different type of biological sex. Hence biological males and females with mixed characteristics due to their disorder.

medlineplus.gov...

Intersex is a group of conditions in which there is a discrepancy between the external genitals and the internal genitals (the testes and ovaries).

The older term for this condition is hermaphroditism. Although the older terms are still included in this article for reference, they have been replaced by most experts, patients, and families. Increasingly, this group of conditions is being called disorders of sex development (DSDs).

On the other hand gender identity is a term that emanates from the woke ideology.

The woke ideology to me is not the woke ideology to you. Terms which emanate from any ideology are from that ideology but as for gender identity - that term is from the psychiatry field and has been around since 1964 (The term gender identity was coined by psychiatry professor Robert J. Stoller in 1964 and popularized by psychologist John Money) so are you saying the YOUR woke ideology has been around since then?

I said that all these ideas are used and misused by the woke ideology regardless of origin of the words and phrases.

As the woke ideology seems to be misunderstanding everything! From psychiatry to biology and whatever comes on its way.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: quintessentone

I think you need to read the more basis material. You have missed large parts as it seems in human and evolutionary biology at a basis level.

What determines biological sex?

I am commenting on what determines gender identity and I am not debating what determines physical biological sex, except when it comes to intersex cases.

Intersex is a sex development disorder not a different type of biological sex. Hence biological males and females with mixed characteristics due to their disorder.

medlineplus.gov...

Intersex is a group of conditions in which there is a discrepancy between the external genitals and the internal genitals (the testes and ovaries).

The older term for this condition is hermaphroditism. Although the older terms are still included in this article for reference, they have been replaced by most experts, patients, and families. Increasingly, this group of conditions is being called disorders of sex development (DSDs).

On the other hand gender identity is a term that emanates from the woke ideology.

The woke ideology to me is not the woke ideology to you. Terms which emanate from any ideology are from that ideology but as for gender identity - that term is from the psychiatry field and has been around since 1964 (The term gender identity was coined by psychiatry professor Robert J. Stoller in 1964 and popularized by psychologist John Money) so are you saying the YOUR woke ideology has been around since then?

I sat that all these ideas are used and misused by the woke ideology regardless of origin of the words and phrases.

As the woke ideology seems to be misunderstanding everything! From psychiatry to biology and whatever comes on its way.

The problem with your explanation is that psychiatry is a science not an ideology.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

Ironic that the person who coined it was from the "u sad, bro? I haz pill for dat" branch of psychology. And look at the cost of being transgender - medications and operations for life!

Who better to explain the cost of being transgender than a transgender person and since there are none on this thread, nobody can speak for them.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

Ironic that the person who coined it was from the "u sad, bro? I haz pill for dat" branch of psychology. And look at the cost of being transgender - medications and operations for life!

Who better to explain the cost of being transgender than a transgender person and since there are none on this thread, nobody can speak for them.

There have been transgender here on ATS, may still be.

But they're treated so horribly they tend not to announce that fact.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

Ironic that the person who coined it was from the "u sad, bro? I haz pill for dat" branch of psychology. And look at the cost of being transgender - medications and operations for life!

Who better to explain the cost of being transgender than a transgender person and since there are none on this thread, nobody can speak for them.

There have been transgender here on ATS, may still be.

But they're treated so horribly they tend not to announce that fact.

Horrible is the exactly the correct word

a reply to: Annee

The truth is painful sometimes, yet that’s what people on this forum are seeking. If you’re here to have your fantasies validated then I expect you’ll be let down.

a reply to: quintessentone

Actually it’s up for debate, psychiatry is a medical field that uses very little actual science. At best a social science, at worst a form of art. True scientific fields are rarely so subjective. It’s a great money spinner for the pharmaceutical companies I’ll give you that. It could be argued that drugs like Prozac cause net harm to people. Unfortunately when dealing with feelings you can’t really perform accurate tests.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: quintessentone

I think you need to read the more basis material. You have missed large parts as it seems in human and evolutionary biology at a basis level.

What determines biological sex?

I am commenting on what determines gender identity and I am not debating what determines physical biological sex, except when it comes to intersex cases.

Intersex is a sex development disorder not a different type of biological sex. Hence biological males and females with mixed characteristics due to their disorder.

medlineplus.gov...

Intersex is a group of conditions in which there is a discrepancy between the external genitals and the internal genitals (the testes and ovaries).

The older term for this condition is hermaphroditism. Although the older terms are still included in this article for reference, they have been replaced by most experts, patients, and families. Increasingly, this group of conditions is being called disorders of sex development (DSDs).

On the other hand gender identity is a term that emanates from the woke ideology.

The woke ideology to me is not the woke ideology to you. Terms which emanate from any ideology are from that ideology but as for gender identity - that term is from the psychiatry field and has been around since 1964 (The term gender identity was coined by psychiatry professor Robert J. Stoller in 1964 and popularized by psychologist John Money) so are you saying the YOUR woke ideology has been around since then?

I sat that all these ideas are used and misused by the woke ideology regardless of origin of the words and phrases.

As the woke ideology seems to be misunderstanding everything! From psychiatry to biology and whatever comes on its way.

The problem with your explanation is that psychiatry is a science not an ideology.

Psychiatry is medical science which is completely disregarded by the woke ideology as much as biology and every other science so a man can become a woman and a woman can become a man whenever they feel like it.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: quintessentone

Actually it’s up for debate, psychiatry is a medical field that uses very little actual science. At best a social science, at worst a form of art. True scientific fields are rarely so subjective. It’s a great money spinner for the pharmaceutical companies I’ll give you that. It could be argued that drugs like Prozac cause net harm to people. Unfortunately when dealing with feelings you can’t really perform accurate tests.

Actually it's scientific/medical efficacy is no longer up for debate, what is up for discussion is that the patient/doctor assessment time ratio needs to improve.

"The implications of these data are really much broader than just psychological assessment," says Reed, assistant executive director for professional development in APA's Practice Directorate. "Psychologists have simply accepted, and even believed, negative comparisons of the empirical basis for psychological assessment and interventions to medical ones. This report helps us debunk the myth that we lack an evidentiary foundation."

For example, psychological tests such as the Millon Clinical Multiaxal Inventory, the Thematic Apperception Test, the Hare Psychopathy Checklist and other neurological and cognitive tests produce medium to large effect sizes, as do medical tests such as Pap smears, mammography, magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) and electrocardiograms. More specifically, for example, MMPI scale scores and average ability to detect depressive or psychotic disorders generates an effect size of 0.37. The use of a Pap test to detect cervical abnormalities produces an effect size of 0.36. The effectiveness of these very different tests used to detect very different outcomes is much the same.

Conversely, some psychological tests work just as well as medical tests to detect the same outcome. The authors note, for instance, the ability to detect dementia is as good with neuropsychological tests as it is with MRI.

www.apa.org...

a reply to: Annee


So is a transgender woman a woman?

a reply to: quintessentone

Same question.

Is a transwoman a woman?

a reply to: Annee

How they are treated terribly?
By stating that ta transwoman is still a man?
I mean do you want to fool yourself by saying otherwise?

a reply to: quintessentone

en.wikipedia.org...

Psychiatry is the medical specialty devoted to the diagnosis, prevention, and treatment of mental disorders.[1][2] These include various maladaptations related to mood, behaviour, cognition, and perceptions. See glossary of psychiatry.

Press control+f and search for the word science in the wiki entry for Psychiatry.

On the other hand:

en.wikipedia.org...

Biology is the SCIENTIFIC study of life.[1][2][3] It is a natural science with a broad scope but has several unifying themes that tie it together as a single, coherent field.[1][2][3] For instance, all organisms are made up of cells that process hereditary information encoded in genes, which can be transmitted to future generations. Another major theme is evolution, which explains the unity and diversity of life.[1][2][3] Energy processing is also important to life as it allows organisms to move, grow, and reproduce.[1][2][3] Finally, all organisms are able to regulate their own internal environments.[1][2][3][4][5]

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: quintessentone

Same question.

Is a transwoman a woman?

It's interesting, in that, this is not something new or simple to explain away.

Before we examine the neuroscience let’s look at what ancient belief systems tell us. Judaism lists six genders. Atlanta rabbi Joshua Lesser says that an examination of Judaism’s sacred texts shows that a simple “male” and “female” binary is “inaccurate.” The six genders are:

Zachar: A person with male characteristics

Nekeivah: A person with female characteristics

Androgynos: A person with male and female characteristics (149 references to this in Mishna and Talmud; 350 in classical Midrash and Jewish law codes)

Tumtum: A person with indeterminate characteristics (181 references in Mishna and Talmud; 335 in classical Midrash and Jewish law codes)

Ay’lonit: A person classified as female at birth, develops male characteristics at puberty and is infertile (80 references in Mishna and Talmud; 40 in classical Midrash and Jewish law codes)

Saris: A person classified as male at birth who develops female characteristics at puberty and/or lacks male characteristics (156 references in Mishna and Talmud; 379 in classical Midrash and Jewish law codes)

Native Americans believe there are five genders: “female,” “male,” “two-spirit female,” “two-spirit male,” and “transgendered.” LGBT Native Americans adopted the term “two spirit” from the Ojibwe language in 1989, according to Duane Brayboy in Indian Country Today. Brayboy notes that “the Navajo refer to two spirits as Nádleehí (one who is transformed); among the Lakota is Winkté (a male who behaves as a female); Niizh Manidoowag (two spirit) in Ojibwe; Hemaneh (half-man, half-woman) in Cheyenne; to name a few.”

Christianity lacks this specificity. Carol Shedd, a devout 89-year-old Episcopalian in Wellesley, Massachusetts says that Christians who oppose transgender individuals, “forget the teaching in Genesis 1:26–27 that all human beings are created in the image and likeness of God, there are no exceptions.”

brainworldmagazine.com...