The Repackaged Illness

Let's see what's inside the box in the op!



If they're all the same thing, how does this work?

Another reason for low flu numbers, other than the obvious that's already been mentioned, doctors were avoiding having sick people in their offices.

One of my daughters got sick summer 2020. We called the doctor and he ordered a covid test for her. He said if it came back negative, just to assume it's the flu and stay home until she feels better. It was negative, and likely an unrecorded case of the flu. This probably happened for millions of people.

Also, while covid hit my workplace pretty hard, it was the flu that shut down an entire department in December 2020. It didn't vanish.

originally posted by: GojiraSD
ARE YOU SERIOUS!? You posted Government sites as proof the vaccine cuts transmission, they already admitted the vaccine does not stop you from getting COVID19 and certainly does not stop you from spreading COVID19. Have you been under a rock??? The vaccine is causing heart problems (that is a fact) and sudden death.

idiot



a reply to: AaarghZombies

That was the initial assertion and they have been holding on to it in order to convince everyone to get vaccinated. Remember the claims about protecting granny?!

But it was never true. These 'vaccines' don't prevent or significantly reduce transmission and infection. They cannot provide sterilising immunity and they are not vaccines in the classical sense. The definition had to be changed so they can call them vaccines

What's mind boggling is that a large number of the population seemed to have bought these stories.It has to do with the bling trust many have or blind faith in the system and with the levels of ignorance when it comes to basic scientific facts. Not mention the fear & terror created by the MSM.

originally posted by: LordAhriman
Let's see what's inside the box in the op!

If they're all the same thing, how does this work?

Another reason for low flu numbers, other than the obvious that's already been mentioned, doctors were avoiding having sick people in their offices.

One of my daughters got sick summer 2020. We called the doctor and he ordered a covid test for her. He said if it came back negative, just to assume it's the flu and stay home until she feels better. It was negative, and likely an unrecorded case of the flu. This probably happened for millions of people.

Also, while covid hit my workplace pretty hard, it was the flu that shut down an entire department in December 2020. It didn't vanish.

Good that you mentioned it.
Flu never dissapeared and there is no much evidence that it reduced significantly. Some small reduction is logical but the levels of reduction discussed online and accepted as being true either on social platforms or in the MSM, are just false and misleading.

Just as it was false and misleading when that establishment was claiming that Covid vaccines prevent or significantly reduce transmission and infection. Misinformation at the very least not to say disinformation.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

If the r0 of a virus is reduced to below 1, it is essentially not spreading. Cutting the r0 of flu in half would cause this, and it's entirely plausible that covid measures reduced the flu to below 1 r0, since it's only 1 r0 to begin with. Covid is 2-4 times more contagious so while the flu dropped below 1, covid did not and therefore still spread.

a reply to: LordAhriman

likely an unrecorded case of the flu. This probably happened for millions of people.

The last two years have been the era of the No Questions Asked sick day. If you so much as sneeze, you get told to stay at home.

I've had a couple of heavy colds which might have been the flu in the last couple of years, I just took an over the counter cold and flu remedy that I already had, so no official records exist as to whether or not I had the flu.

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

If the r0 of a virus is reduced to below 1, it is essentially not spreading. Cutting the r0 of flu in half would cause this, and it's entirely plausible that covid measures reduced the flu to below 1 r0, since it's only 1 r0 to begin with. Covid is 2-4 times more contagious so while the flu dropped below 1, covid did not and therefore still spread.

Ro is a mathematical quantification of how much the disease is spreading. In the case of Covid it shows that the disease is spreading given the fact this rapidly mutating. A strain of Covid can have eventually Ro below 1 if enough in the population have been infected, vaccinated, or both. But if there are emerging strains that are highly Infectious then the cycle repeats.

No evidence exists yet that the Covid measures made the flu disappear or reduced the number of cases massively. Some reduction is reasonable though.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

The flu's r0 is 1. Anything less than that, and it fizzles out. r0 is how many people an infected person passes it on to. Just for easy math, let's say it reduced the spread of the flu by 50%. 100 people get the flu, they give it to 50 people, those people give it to 25 people, those people give it to 12-13 people, and so on until it's reduced to nothing. This will happen any time the r0 is less than 1.

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

The flu's r0 is 1. Anything less than that, and it fizzles out. r0 is how many people an infected person passes it on to. Just for easy math, let's say it reduced the spread of the flu by 50%. 100 people get the flu, they give it to 50 people, those people give it to 25 people, those people give it to 12-13 people, and so on until it's reduced to nothing. This will happen any time the r0 is less than 1.

I get the maths. I am quite good with them.
There are though some things you need to have a look at

www.vdh.virginia.gov...

The reproductive number, R0 (pronounced R naught), is a value that describes how contagious a disease is. For the flu, the R0 tends to be between 1 and 2, which means that for every person infected with the flu, they will infect one to two more people

Flu cases will increase almost exponentially and will decrease in a similar manner after many in the population have been infected at which point gained natural immunity and extremely difficult to be re-infected again and as time passes transmission become extremely difficult in the spring and summer periods.

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The CDC said this

There was no discernible peak in activity during the 2020-2021 season due to the uncharacteristically low level of influenza virus circulation that season.

And now

"At the national level, influenza activity has continued to increase steeply as we enter the fifth week of the national influenza epidemic. All surveillance indicators are increasing and all are above expected levels typical of this time of year,"

Since the start of October, CDC officials estimate, there have been 78,000 flu hospitalizations and 4,500 deaths nationally.

Flu hospitalizations, deaths on the rise
The percentage of respiratory specimens testing positive for flu jumped from 18.2% to 25.1% last week, with the percentage of outpatient visits for flulike illness—which can reflect impacts from other diseases—rising from 6% to 7.5%, well above the national baseline of 2.5%. H3N2 is still the dominant strain, making up 79% of subtyped influenza A samples.

Forty-seven states reported high or very high flu activity, another indicator of clinic visits for flulike illness.

Hospitalizations nearly doubled last week, with more than 19,000 people admitted to hospitals for flu. Rates were highest in seniors, especially those ages 85 and older. Children up to age 4 were the next hardest hit group, followed by adults ages 50 to 64.

Most of the people hospitalized for flu had underlying health conditions. For adults, hypertension and cardiovascular disease were most common, and in children, asthma was the most common underlying health condition.

So we instantly jumped from a Covid Pandemic right into a Influenza epidemic, after it was statistically gone, how many people with the Influenza had false positives for Covid? Since there is a gag order on front line health workers, since they will lose there jobs or get cancelled professionally if they speak out, I guess we will never know.