The Repackaged Illness

originally posted by: Narvasis
Yet NOT a decrease in covid cases, huh? Getting back onto the topic at hand. How can you really not see the fallacy in what you’re saying? It’s ridiculously absurd.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Who said there was no decrease in covid cases?

Um, the world.

Numbnuts

a reply to: ScepticScot

a reply to: v1rtu0s0
Did you hear about Vanessa Feltz daughter?

I can't find any recent info on how she is?

originally posted by: Narvasis
Um, the world.

Numbnuts

a reply to: ScepticScot

Got a source for the worid saying that.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Those figures aren't accurate because most cases of flu aren't reported officially.

Then how do you account for 45 million in 2018, 36 million in 2019, and 38 million in 2020 being reported on?

They're an estimated at best. Do you seriously think that every kid who has a sick day from flu will be counted?

Which makes flu a disease with an smaller infection fatality rate given the many very mild cases that are not reported at all and the fact that flu mostly affects the elderly and the clinically vulnerable.

So what is the point of vaccinating entire populations with flu jabs? There isn't any point. That's why most don't get one apart from the people described in the group's above.

Now change the word Flu with Covid and you get exactly the same outcomes. Most don't need a Covid vaccine given as they are healthy and have already (in most cases) developed natural immunity.

What is the point in getting flu or Covid jabs when you are young and healthy? There is no point at all. Good and you guessed it well I suppose.

In the cases of Covid and Flu I am quite sure that some of the Flu cases have been diagnosed wrongly as Covid. Flu didn't disappear with cheap masks and social distancing.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Perfect! A new word for my vocabulary...

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: KKLOCO

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Those figures aren't accurate because most cases of flu aren't reported officially.

Then how do you account for 45 million in 2018, 36 million in 2019, and 38 million in 2020 being reported on?

They're an estimated at best. Do you seriously think that every kid who has a sick day from flu will be counted?

No, I don’t. Which means the numbers are in actuality higher. Now, please explain 2021.

Mask wearing, hand washing and social distancing.

Plus people staying home and playing animal crossing.

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totally and completely worked for the flu, but couldn't do a thing for Corona Virus. Must be because they are so different in size.

No; surgical masks and N95 masks don't filter out individual viruses, they attract and immobilize airborne respiratory droplets that contain viruses--mainly by electrostatic forces--so the size of individual viruses is unimportant.

Masks and social distancing work better on seasonal flu than they do on Covid because you have to inhale many more flu viruses than Covid viruses to start an infection. The other way of saying that is that Covid viruses are much more infectious than flu viruses. Every person with seasonal flu typically infects between 1 to 2 other unprotected people on the average, depending on which variety of flu virus is going around at that time and location. Every person with Covid typically infects between 2 to 3 other unprotected people on the average, depending on which variety of Covid virus is going around at that time and location.

If you have people wearing masks and social distancing enough to cut the airborne transmission of respiratory droplets in half, then people infected with seasonal flu will infect less than one other person, on the average, and the flu epidemic will die out. People infected with Covid will still infect more than one other person, on the average, so the Covid epidemic will still grow, but at a slower rate than it otherwise would.

For some reason, a lot of ignorant people here on ATS seem to assume that all viruses are equally infectious, and that's just not true.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
What a farce.

I have made several threads about this in the past, we know it, they know it, too bad most people don't understand, they call us conspiracy theorists.
Yet all you have to do is check the statistics, and you would know.

I have noticed a sharp uptick in the flu with people lately, not covid19

I don't know the exact numbers of Covid and Flu in 2020 and 2021, but those who claimed that Flu disappeared because of some cheap and dangerous masks you can wear when going out and due to social distancing, know nothing about infectious diseases and are very confused with the basics.

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: KKLOCO

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Those figures aren't accurate because most cases of flu aren't reported officially.

Then how do you account for 45 million in 2018, 36 million in 2019, and 38 million in 2020 being reported on?

They're an estimated at best. Do you seriously think that every kid who has a sick day from flu will be counted?

No, I don’t. Which means the numbers are in actuality higher. Now, please explain 2021.

Mask wearing, hand washing and social distancing.

Plus people staying home and playing animal crossing.

link

totally and completely worked for the flu, but couldn't do a thing for Corona Virus. Must be because they are so different in size.

No; surgical masks and N95 masks don't filter out individual viruses, they attract and immobilize airborne respiratory droplets that contain viruses--mainly by electrostatic forces--so the size of individual viruses is unimportant.

Masks and social distancing work better on seasonal flu than they do on Covid because you have to inhale many more flu viruses than Covid viruses to start an infection. The other way of saying that is that Covid viruses are much more infectious than flu viruses. Every person with seasonal flu typically infects between 1 to 2 other unprotected people on the average, depending on which variety of flu virus is going around at that time and location. Every person with Covid typically infects between 2 to 3 other unprotected people on the average, depending on which variety of Covid virus is going around at that time and location.

If you have people wearing masks and social distancing enough to cut the airborne transmission of respiratory droplets in half, then people infected with seasonal flu will infect less than one other person, on the average, and the flu epidemic will die out. People infected with Covid will still infect more than one other person, on the average, so the Covid epidemic will still grow, but at a slower rate than it otherwise would.

For some reason, a lot of ignorant people here on ATS seem to assume that all viruses are equally infectious, and that's just not true.

Most people are wearing cheap and potentially dangerous masks. So this doesn't prevent or reduce transmission and infection.

Social distancing can have more results if only the disease hasn't spread enough in the population. Otherwise you will have some good proportion infected spending time with the uninfected in closed spaces.

As for you last part I certainly agree that there is plenty of ignorance and especially for those who are vaccine apologists, lockdown advocates, advocates of cheap mask wearing, and denialists of truth and reality.

As said above those who have claimed that Flu dissapeared in the Covid years have no understanding of infectious diseases and of the basics.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Misreporting flu as covid is misconduct, doing it multiple times is gross misconduct.

If someone dies because you deliberately report them as having covid rather than the flu then it's manslaughter.

If you do it for money then it's manslaughter with depraved indifference.

In some states this could even be murder, or at least conspiracy.

The consequences of any of these things could ruin someone. There isn't enough money in the world to bribe the hundreds of thousands of people in the US alone that would be needed to maintain this conspiracy.

It's interesting watching the gears turn in your mind as you try to make this make sense and debate the moral fallacies of it all convincing yourself they would never do this .

But mate if you simply step back and look just OBJECTIVELY look at the numbers then it is plain to see what they did .

Can you accept that ? your an intelligent person no one would challenge that Fact but intentionally lying to yourself is the one thing that truly makes someone a FOOL. It's like poison to the mind Lying to yourself.

Been saying it since the beginning, Covid is just the flu rebranded. Covid showed up and the flu magically disappeared. If you listen to the idiots, they will tell you that random pieces of cloth placed over faces prevented the flu from spreading. Yet many of us never wore the mask because we have basic common sense and did actual research unlike these so called “medical experts”. Funny how we always would catch them not following their own guidelines.

Covid was all about power and control. It’s still being used in that manner today.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Narvasis
Kind of like how Big Pharma would never just tweak and relabel a drug to keep patents on it to make money right? Then “every” medical professional in the world prescribes that drug. These things just don’t happen! Or wait…

a reply to: ScepticScot

And the healthcare systems & medical researchers around the world just went along with it because?

Don't pretend you are retarded by ignoring the issue with the PCR tests.
The entire basis for the fake pandemic was the tests.
The cdc stated the tests cannot differentiate between covid and influenza.
...which stopped being reported on and tested for at the beginning.

There are countless examples of doctors being threatened with licensing removal for not supporting the top down narrative.
Very ignorant or dishonest statement you just made there, with zero "skeptical" analysis.

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Narvasis
Kind of like how Big Pharma would never just tweak and relabel a drug to keep patents on it to make money right? Then “every” medical professional in the world prescribes that drug. These things just don’t happen! Or wait…

a reply to: ScepticScot

And the healthcare systems & medical researchers around the world just went along with it because?

Don't pretend you are retarded by ignoring the issue with the PCR tests.
The entire basis for the fake pandemic was the tests.
The cdc stated the tests cannot differentiate between covid and influenza.
...which stopped being reported on and tested for at the beginning.

There are countless examples of doctors being threatened with licensing removal for not supporting the top down narrative.
Very ignorant or dishonest statement you just made there, with zero "skeptical" analysis.

This had been covered multiple times before on this site.

It didn't distinguish between covid and flu because it only detected covid.

It was replaced with a test that could test for both.

Sceptical about ridiculous unsupported claims of flu being relabelled as covid that don't stand up to a moments scrutiny.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

www.abovetopsecret.com...

lots of data, for the Zombies

It seems that more and more of the vaccine apologists and lockdown advocates are engaging in true conspiracy theories where flu and other communicable respiratory diseases have dissapeared conveniently over the past 3 years because of some cheap masks you can find in your local supermarket and because of social distancing.

The irony is that call everyone a conspiracy theorist even well established scientists who have been questioning the narrative and the absurd and ludicrous claims made in the name of the Covid.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

So Covid was the first seek and destroy virus in history??

It went to people's houses? It bypassed masks? It defeated handwashing?

C'mon man...

The assertion that masks and staying home defeated influenza while Covid was allegedly a raging fire storm of infection is ridiculous.

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: AaarghZombies

So Covid was the first seek and destroy virus in history??

It went to people's houses? It bypassed masks? It defeated handwashing?

C'mon man...

The assertion that masks defeated influenza while Covid was allegedly a raging fire storm of infection is ridiculous.

Even though cloth masks are like putting a chain link fence to stop mosquitoes they were able to completely stop the flu while allowing the covid pandemic to continue unhindered.

Trust "the science"

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Those figures aren't accurate because most cases of flu aren't reported officially.

Then how do you account for 45 million in 2018, 36 million in 2019, and 38 million in 2020 being reported on?

They're an estimated at best. Do you seriously think that every kid who has a sick day from flu will be counted?

People calling a cold flu is what you're on about.No way are you off school for one day with flu.
You don't see the irony of you complaining about the accuracy of flu figures but you believed all the covid lie figures,you are in a cult.You are still a Branch Covidian even after all the evidence that we were lied to over and over.
You are severely brainwashed,maybe you should be pitied?

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: AaarghZombies

So Covid was the first seek and destroy virus in history??

It went to people's houses? It bypassed masks? It defeated handwashing?

C'mon man...

The assertion that masks defeated influenza while Covid was allegedly a raging fire storm of infection is ridiculous.

It is another unsubstantiated claim among many others that are quite popular among vaccine apologists and lockdown advocates as well as advocates of cheap mask wearing.

All the premises upon which this narrative was build up have collapsed and all that has remained are some frankly ridiculous statements about masks and social distancing and vaccines stopping transmission and infection. All these have been refuted and cancelled long time ago.

Pfizer was going at the speed of science and didn't have the time to check for transmission and infection.

Nobody is foolish enough to accept that cheap marks reduce significantly or stop transmission and infection. This is just ludicrous. A surgeon will wear a proper mask to protect a patient who will have an operation. That's all.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

So, who is getting all of this money, and why isn't it me?

Maybe you're not as important as you think you are?

To deny the vast transfer of wealth that happen solely because of Covid takes a whole lot more imagination than the facts support.

Once a person convinces themself they have all the answers their mind closes down to any and all information that may challenge their beliefs, and if their ego is tied to always being right they can't see the truth even if it hits them between the eyes.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

I don't have the words to describe such idiocy...

There is no science, no logic, no reason there at all. It is devoid of any basis in reality. No one who is sentient and honest could believe such a thing to be true. The fact that they put that # out there as science is even more embarrassing.

(Insert profuse eyeroll here)