Some thoughts on pyramids and the Great Flood

originally posted by: Dalamax
I didn’t really envisage take off, more taking some of the weight and assisting with manoeuvring. Perhaps there is another balloon material fit for purpose that was available?

A bit of a thought experiment, then (modern air balloon reference page):
* balloons aren't very durable; thin material tears and rips easily. Flight time for the first balloons was 20 minutes.
* just hot air alone you'd need balloons with a 50 foot diameter just to get a little bit of lift. If you used, say, cattle intestine (which is fragile but lightweight) you'd have to slaughter hundreds of cows and the piecing together of enough 'fabric' to make a balloon will take quite a long time (there's 1,750 square yards in an average hot air balloon) There's roughly 50 meters of intestine per cow (large and small) and it shrinks when dried. So you'd have strips of around 40 feet that are around 6 inches wide and you'll have to piece together 1,750 yards of it. Every seam will have to be airtight and that means some sort of sealant. Which adds weight.
* and you have to add the weight of rope (look at a Montgolfier balloon for reference.)
* they can't fly in a wind of more than 8 mph (enough to rustle leaves; so not very strong)
* such a complicated piece of technology would require specialists and a team lead (with title) for it. They separated teams by what they did, so a team of sewers, a team of sealers, and rope makers and basket weavers and then a team of firebox engineers and one overseer of balloons (that's what they did. They had on Giza someone who was the "head of the bead stringers") You'd have to identify plausible teams.

I don’t know and am ruminating but I figure there has to be a reason for placing structures around the place to mirror the stars in the sky using the Nile as the Milky Way, why not conceive of a way of viewing your handiwork as well?

The association is forced - they really don't line up. The only way you'd see it as "mirroring" the belt and Nile was if you could travel past the star Anilam (2,000 light-years) and then look back at Earth (good luck finding it).

Check out this article from Astronomy magazine

a reply to: Harte

The idea of an earthly reflection of the stars and planets "as above so below" can be traced back to several centuries BC for example Hermes Trismegistus.

DaVinci refined the optics of Archimedes so that some modern optical engineers believe they had working telescopes long before Galileo. Of course Da Vinci's understanding of "fringes" or the Pyramids wouldn't be understandable by the majority.
The shells at Lombardy fringe, seriously?

There was a child worked out the correlating positions of cities with stars, found a star and looked on google maps where there should have been a city and found one that was previously undiscovered, there was a thread made about it here on ATS.

Seems quite substantial for fringe theory.

a reply to: Harte

Ah! I will check out that article. Why seperate the intestines and sew them together in a ball?

That article claims there’s no evidence linking the Giza pyramids to Orion and then explains that the great pyramid has a shaft that points at Orion.

It also subscribes to an arbitrary date for that pyramids construction and use (as a tomb)

It also then links the star alignment theory with other fringe theories with no apparent link except that some people who believe one believe the other.

It’s kind of a hit piece in that it leads the reader through assumptions and glosses them over as fact and points out other assumptions and says there is no scientific evidence to indicate it’s a fact.

Kind of interesting but easily dismissed as engaging in misdirection and misleading assumptions.

Thanks for the link anyhow.

a reply to: Byrd

originally posted by: Bordon81
a reply to: Harte

The idea of an earthly reflection of the stars and planets "as above so below" can be traced back to several centuries BC for example Hermes Trismegistus.

...which dates to after 300 BC. So it's not an "ancient-ancient Egyptian" idea but rather one that came in after the Greeks introduced Mystery Schools.

Now, they did believe that the afterlife wouldn't be much different than the earthly life, but the "model" for this wasn't the Earth shaping or reflecting what was in heaven.

originally posted by: Dalamax
Ah! I will check out that article. Why seperate the intestines and sew them together in a ball?

Because using fire to inflate several thousand dried cow intestines seems like a darn waste of time. How else would you work something that thin into a sheet for a balloon?

That article claims there’s no evidence linking the Giza pyramids to Orion and then explains that the great pyramid has a shaft that points at Orion.

Yes, it does. But it "points" at an area of sky... a place where Sirius also rises along with a lot of other constellations. Orion isn't a fixed point (it's not in the same spot every night), so saying it points to Orion is difficult to prove.

The "fixed stars"... yes, that's possible. Those are the circumpolar stars and they're there in the same spot every night.

It also subscribes to an arbitrary date for that pyramids construction and use (as a tomb)

Not arbitrary, since pyramids have mortuary temples (for preparing bodies) and worship temples for the people buried inside them. There are only three known examples of pyramids that aren't tombs in Egypt, and they're really small (about 12 feet high.

It’s kind of a hit piece in that it leads the reader through assumptions and glosses them over as fact and points out other assumptions and says there is no scientific evidence to indicate it’s a fact.

I'll be happy to answer any questions about the assumptions you say the article makes as I pop in and out (I'm not a "regular-every-day" visitor, so sometimes it's a few days or so before I reply.

By far the likeliest reason is that they did not do any such alignment with the stars and the Milky Way. It's pure fringe speculation.

Opinion presented as fact from a false position of authority again .
Another non detailed one sentence reply.
Where have you been Harte, off trolling on other conspiracy forums?

Notice he gives no link to an academic work that would show his position as a consensus , just opinion.
The same as you or I hear, when we present opinion, and must be treated as such.
Notice how the word ‘fringe’ must be used with the word ‘speculation’ .
We know how much ‘speculation’ goes on in academia and especially Egyptology , don’t we?

It’s funny how all those years ago when Bauval and Hancock were the first to turn the ‘star clock’ back with computer tech to reveal that the time when Orion was directly over Giza was 10,500 bp- people were stunned at that time period showing up as humans weren’t building anything then. According to the mainstream .
Since then, we have the Tas Tepeler sites going back 11,000 years and further back with each new site discovered.
That time period doesn’t seem so shocking now, does it?

Good to see you back to your old one sentence trolling self.


a reply to: Harte

a reply to: Byrd

I chose Trismegistus primarily for the Thrice-Greatest Hermes book cover art and to provide Harte with an "authority". People have been staring at the heavens and seeing their own flying monkeys(hammers) for hundreds of centuries.



You wouldn't understand the Davinci quote about the shells at Lombardy without understanding the math of the great Pyramid.

Flower chidren from the 60's that were abducted by aliens remember the autopsy table..
Its probably no coincidence that Herman Munster worked for Gateman, Goodbury and Graves.
Another Davinci quote concerning telescope optics that included an “eyeglass of crystal thick at the sizes at ounce of an ounce.” was made before Calculus was invented/disclosed so it just fell on deaf ears and faded away like Alice's Cheshire cat.

If we just come to ATS to deceive and laugh at them why bother?
None of them will ever make it to the hoff.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Inst resting about the Pyramids is how they often aligned to true north and matched up with certain stars and use particular mathematics..

a reply to: Bordon81

Flower chidren from the 60's that were abducted by aliens remember the autopsy table..

Sexual Trauma.. MK ultra in Neon Lights

originally posted by: Dalamax
There was a child worked out the correlating positions of cities with stars, found a star and looked on google maps where there should have been a city and found one that was previously undiscovered, there was a thread made about it here on ATS.

Seems quite substantial for fringe theory.

a reply to: Harte

Turned out he didn't. That was in the thread too.

Harte

K cool. Must of been after I lost touch with it.

a reply to: Harte

Inst resting about the Pyramids is how they often aligned to true north and matched up with certain stars and use particular mathematics..

The GP is lined up to the cardinal points on the compass and is accurate to 0.05 of a degree.
‘What precision?” You’ll hear the usual naysayers decry.
That’s because they are deluded over what precision is .

To compare , a more recent attempt at a building perfectly facing the north as accurately as possible was the old Observatory of Paris, in 1667. It only managed an error of 0.25 of a degree.

That means that the GP is 5 times more accurate in achieving its brief than the attempt in Paris.

“What precision! “ with an exclamation mark instead of a question mark is far more appropriate .

Precision only becomes apparent when you use precision tools to measure something .

a reply to: purplemer

originally posted by: Dalamax
There was a child worked out the correlating positions of cities with stars, found a star and looked on google maps where there should have been a city and found one that was previously undiscovered, there was a thread made about it here on ATS.
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a reply to: Harte

It would have been helpful if you could have included some dates and citations.

There's more than one of these "Lost City" stories.

The Gadoury story referencing Yucatan, Mexico, dates to 2015/2016, was mentioned here on ATS - www.abovetopsecret.com...

As the Wiki points out, it got nowhere - en.wikipedia.org...

Then there was the White City of the Monkey God of 2015-2017 - see these articles in National Geographic - www.nationalgeographic.com...

See also this article - www.jasoncolavito.com...; and this 2021 LiveScience article: www.livescience.com...

a reply to: Hooke

The one in Greece could only be located within the accuracy of about 27 KM using a single sun observation.
Modern day calculation for speed of light in a Vacuum is 299792.458 km / s.

Becomes a statistical problem of doing repeat observations over many years, or perhaps interpolating two observations spaced thousands of years(if you had a pyramid that lasted that long)..

Freedom of information act to know for sure will be declined so maybe Harte was right.

originally posted by: bluesfreak

Inst resting about the Pyramids is how they often aligned to true north and matched up with certain stars and use particular mathematics..

The GP is lined up to the cardinal points on the compass and is accurate to 0.05 of a degree.
‘What precision?” You’ll hear the usual naysayers decry.
That’s because they are deluded over what precision is .

To compare , a more recent attempt at a building perfectly facing the north as accurately as possible was the old Observatory of Paris, in 1667. It only managed an error of 0.25 of a degree.

We've built buildings since then, you might note, and if we really needed to make a building aligned to true north, we could do it even more accurately than that. For reference, all archaeological dig pits have to be aligned to magnetic north and we can do that accurately.

“What precision! “ with an exclamation mark instead of a question mark is far more appropriate .

Fairly easy to do. Remember that they aligned Abu Simbel so that the rays of the rising sun illuminated a statue of Ramesses II deep inside the temple on the day of his birth. Aligning the pyramids using the equinoxes is pretty simple and produces a very accurate result

We've built buildings since then, you might note, and if we really needed to make a building aligned to true north, we could do it even more accurately than that

And what would we use to achieve that?
Modern tech.
Try and make some builders today line up a structure to an equinox or two stars that give an average .

You can try and gaslight the achievement of these people all you like , and the more you do it, the less you look like you know ANYTHING about building or fabricating anything.

Oh , it’s all so easy , isn’t it ? All of it.
Haul an 80 tonne granite slab. Easy.
Keep the 4 sided base of a 13 acre structure DEAD STRAIGHT for the cardinal points within 0.05 of a degree . Easy.

Fairly easy to do. Remember that they aligned Abu Simbel so that the rays of the rising sun illuminated a statue of Ramesses II deep inside the temple on the day of his birth.

Yes, because they were very very clever people, NOT because it’s easy . It’s not easy to do at all, please have a rethink of your sweeping statements .

And your team wonder why people have no faith in Egyptology or academia with answers like that??
I have literally no faith in your understanding of fabricating anything if you think it’s ‘easy’.


a reply to: Byrd

Yeah I know and apologise, it was way back in my distant memory but stuck because the idea of that sort of thing does with me.

Thanks for the links. I’ll check them out.

a reply to: Hooke

How did I dbl post?

originally posted by: Byrd

* just hot air alone you'd need balloons with a 50 foot diameter just to get a little bit of lift. If you used, say, cattle intestine (which is fragile but lightweight) you'd have to slaughter hundreds of cows and the piecing together of enough 'fabric' to make a balloon will take quite a long time (there's 1,750 square yards in an average hot air balloon) There's roughly 50 meters of intestine per cow (large and small) and it shrinks when dried. So you'd have strips of around 40 feet that are around 6 inches wide and you'll have to piece together 1,750 yards of it. Every seam will have to be airtight and that means some sort of sealant. Which adds weight.

Early 1900's zeppelins were actually made pretty close to that way. They used hydrogen instead of hot air, but cattle intestine was the material.

It was a rigid structure, so it had multiple airbags that held it a loft.

Contrary to what a lot of people would think intuitively, the pressure inside the air bags was only just barely above ambient air pressure, so even if a hole were to tear in the bag the hydrogen would still leak out very slowly.

en.wikipedia.org...