The Real Reason The Missile Hit Poland

a reply to: FauxMulder

One mistake in over how many thousands of missile launches?

Lives saved in Ukraine, is one way to look at the mistake.

originally posted by: FauxMulder

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: FauxMulder

They screwed up and hit Poland, so of course they blamed Russia.

Even Poland's president has said this.
AP source

it is highly probable that one of these missiles unfortunately fell on Polish territory,” said Polish President Andrzej Duda. “There is nothing, absolutely nothing, to suggest that it was an intentional attack on Poland.”

I never said or believed it was intentional one way or the other. Neither really has any world leader. The coordinate mix up seems highly probable to me. At the very least, it's too much of a coincidence to be nothing. The explanation being given by NATO is most likely just a way of not escalating the conflict. Smart.

So we got one faction from NATO crowing its Russia and one NATO faction saying it was Ukrainian and an accident.

We had Zelenskyy screaming for escalation immediately, sounds like the coalition is having some disagreements.

Which circumstantially is good for the Russians.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: FauxMulder

One mistake in over how many thousands of missile launches?

Lives saved in Ukraine, is one way to look at the mistake.

Wow, that's some gold medal level mental gymnastics. How about just don't invade another country.

originally posted by: FauxMulder

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: FauxMulder

They screwed up and hit Poland, so of course they blamed Russia.

Even Poland's president has said this.
AP source

it is highly probable that one of these missiles unfortunately fell on Polish territory,” said Polish President Andrzej Duda. “There is nothing, absolutely nothing, to suggest that it was an intentional attack on Poland.”

I never said or believed it was intentional one way or the other. Neither really has any world leader. The coordinate mix up seems highly probable to me. At the very least, it's too much of a coincidence to be nothing. The explanation being given by NATO is most likely just a way of not escalating the conflict. Smart.

I don't know but isn't it semi-peculiar if it was a coordinates mixup that it hit the grain drying facility when there is absolutely nothing else in that area? Wouldn't it have been much more likely to hit an open field?

a reply to: putnam6

Wouldn’t be the weirdest thing that’s happened. Many years ago there was a Soviet MiG-23 that took of out of Poland. Just after takeoff, the pilot developed engine problems and ejected. The aircraft continued to fly, crossed several countries, and eventually crashed into a farm house, killing an 18 year old.

a reply to: Zaphod58

The one that crashed in belgium ?

a reply to: TheGreazel

Yeah, that's the one. They were going to shoot it down over the North Sea.

Russia and Ukraine are terribly corrupt and always have been, no incentive to change either.

Why would Russia do that on purpose?

Zalinsky is a war monger calling for Poland and Europe to retaliate immediately. If it wasnt him then hes simply unhinged expecting the world to throw itself into nuclear overt war because of...Poland and Ukraine?

Nah buddy not interested in your thousand year struggle with your cousins

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: putnam6

Wouldn’t be the weirdest thing that’s happened. Many years ago there was a Soviet MiG-23 that took of out of Poland. Just after takeoff, the pilot developed engine problems and ejected. The aircraft continued to fly, crossed several countries, and eventually crashed into a farm house, killing an 18 year old.

I hear you Zaphod, what goes up must come down

just discussing this. Don't know either way and I'm just avoiding doing anything productive for the moment

but what are the chances it hits the grain drying facility at random and those coordinates are as similar as the OP is pointing out?

Statistically, the chances seem extremely low, plus hitting an open field isn't probably gonna escalate the war, however hitting a building and killing a couple of Poles....

a reply to: putnam6

It depends on several factors. The S300 has a secondary ground attack role, similar to other air defense systems. So it's possible that the radar saw the grain facility, and it was the only radar return in the area, so it locked on to the facility and aimed at it.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: FauxMulder

They screwed up and hit Poland, so of course they blamed Russia.

Even Poland's president has said this.
AP source

it is highly probable that one of these missiles unfortunately fell on Polish territory,” said Polish President Andrzej Duda. “There is nothing, absolutely nothing, to suggest that it was an intentional attack on Poland.”

Probably a mistake. Apologies to the families of the dead, won’t bring them back. When you get right down to it, who ever fired the missiles is ultimately responsible.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: putnam6

It depends on several factors. The S300 has a secondary ground attack role, similar to other air defense systems. So it's possible that the radar saw the grain facility, and it was the only radar return in the area, so it locked on to the facility and aimed at it.

Ok just trying to follow along here so you are saying it's a "Russian" S300 that was fired and missed its air target so its ground radar had it lock in on the only radar return?

or it is a Ukrainian S300 fired in defense of the Russian barrage and missed and then its own secondary ground radar honed in on the target?

So with the officials saying probably Ukrainian, they are lying so this doesn't escalate? but

Why would Ukraine fire a missile on its own territory with secondary radar active where it would likely hit one of thier own Ukrainian ground targets?

originally posted by: FauxMulder

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: FauxMulder

One mistake in over how many thousands of missile launches?

Lives saved in Ukraine, is one way to look at the mistake.

Wow, that's some gold medal level mental gymnastics. How about just don't invade another country.

The real mental gymnastics are the people who parrot establishment media talking points. Meanwhile ignoring what Ukraine has been doing for the last 8 years. That takes true mental gymnastics.

The Kiev regime brought this down on Ukraine and 14k dead Ukranians including women and children agree with me. Why do I never hear people like you talk about the Ukranians who have been living in bomb shelters for the last 8 years?

Zelensky called for NATO to activate article 5 almost immediately.
You don't find that suspicious at all?

That doesn't seem like the calm calculated leader we are told to believe he is.
This is zelensky...

The French get it...

In regards to your op.
Literally everyone including the establishment disagree with you. Except zelensky...

a reply to: Zaphod58

Two questions.

Has it been observed that Russia has used the missiles to hit targets on the ground?

And are there systems that do periodic diagnostics to make sure they’re still in good operating order? I imagine many of these are Soviet Surplus.

I think Joe & company panicked over what Trump was going to say in his announcement and were going to "set it off" to divert the country's attention. When Trump merely announced his 2024 run, they had to walk it back by claiming it was a mistake.

originally posted by: underpass61
I think Joe & company panicked over what Trump was going to say in his announcement and were going to "set it off" to divert the country's attention. When Trump merely announced his 2024 run, they had to walk it back by claiming it was a mistake.

I highly doubt that’s the case since the media seemed to anticipate trump was announcing to run and it came of no surprise. It’s also not going to get brushed under the rug. So this would have been a very elaborate diversion that didn’t even work.

I think a war that’s almost one year through having one of the first neighboring collateral events is more likely. This was a concern since the conflict started.

a reply to: watchitburn

Nothing To See here , Commence Firing .....................

originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: FauxMulder

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: FauxMulder

One mistake in over how many thousands of missile launches?

Lives saved in Ukraine, is one way to look at the mistake.

Wow, that's some gold medal level mental gymnastics. How about just don't invade another country.

people who parrot establishment media talking points.

Please show me where establishment media is talking about botched coordinates.

Why do I never hear people like you talk about the Ukranians who have been living in bomb shelters for the last 8 years?

Why are you arguing points I never made? This thread is about a missile and mixed up coordinates.

In regards to your op Literally everyone including the establishment disagree with you

My OP is about the coordinates being mixed up. Not about what ANY world leader is saying.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Not sure if Godwin is still around, but I’ll give him some of the credit.

StinkerWins law: as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of Trump being associated approaches 1.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Zaphod58

Two questions.

Has it been observed that Russia has used the missiles to hit targets on the ground?

And are there systems that do periodic diagnostics to make sure they’re still in good operating order? I imagine many of these are Soviet Surplus.

I can answer the first part:

Yes, quite often recently, and well documented.



I can't speak to russian S300 maintenance, other than that russian maintenance generally seems pretty damn poor by Western standards on most platforms, but (possibly related) there were unconfirmed reports that russia 'purchased' and took delivery of some belarusian S300 missiles in the past week or so, and these *might* have been even older with even less maintenance.