Alien secrecy should end because any new science and tech can only help.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

You stated….”If I were to translate the above paragraph into terms of practical application within the realm of consciousness, an example would be how "entities" (Beings) come into existence. Basically: they have to become geometric. That is to say; they have to enter into basic dimensions. Motion must also be inherited for location. So for an "entity" such as a chair to manefest, it needs 3 dimensions and to inherit the earth's motion. Otherwise the chair would not be here with us now; the chair would be else-when or not at all. Motion/time is really important.

"Entities" (in the paranormal sense) can get away with just 3 dimensions. Inside and outside gives them a boundary - a sense of self. The "me" and what is not "me". They must have the dimension of inherited motion to ride along with the earth.”…..

You have interesting thoughts…….

In 1964, Outer Limits had an episode titled “Behold Eck!”

……”A two-dimensional creature called Eck who lives in a two-dimensional world finds himself transported to our three-dimensional world and seeks to return home with the help of special glasses made by an eccentric optical engineer”…..

……”Stone ascertains that the creature must exist in only two dimensions, as when he turns sideways he becomes invisible, and is able to move through walls.”….

….”Soon, the creature appears again to Stone after he puts on a pair of the meteoric glasses. The creature, the titular Eck, explains that he was trapped in our dimensional plane when he fell through an experimental portal. He needs to return to the second dimension through the rift and close it, or else the rift could cause all kinds of things from his dimension to spill through. Eck is unable to see properly in three-dimensional space, and requires lenses to correct his two-dimensional vision so that he can find the rift.”……

Source wiki: Behold Eck!

Full episode…… www.dailymotion.com...



Is time the same in different dimensions? Perhaps so, perhaps not.

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1



Poor ol' Eck : (

I would differ with the good Dr. Robert Stone, the absent-minded optic engineer. I would suggest to the good doctor he think in terms of surfaces (topology) and stay within Euclidean three dimensional space (geometry), and the laws of optics ; )

People like to think in unneccessarily complicated ways. We also have the Occultists muddying the water when they talk in terms of "planes" such as the "astral plane" and the "etheric plane" the "physical plane" when a plane is a surface, and a suface is really just a boundary.

In mathematics, a surface is a mathematical model of the common concept of a surface. It is a generalization of a plane, but, unlike a plane, it may be curved; this is analogous to a curve generalizing a straight line.

There are several more precise definitions, depending on the context and the mathematical tools that are used for the study. The simplest mathematical surfaces are planes and spheres in the Euclidean 3-space. The exact definition of a surface may depend on the context. Typically, in algebraic geometry, a surface may cross itself (and may have other singularities), while, in topology and differential geometry, it may not.

A surface is a topological space of dimension two; this means that a moving point on a surface may move in two directions (it has two degrees of freedom). In other words, around almost every point, there is a coordinate patch on which a two-dimensional coordinate system is defined. For example, the surface of the Earth resembles (ideally) a two-dimensional sphere, and latitude and longitude provide two-dimensional coordinates on it (except at the poles and along the 180th meridian).

~ wikipedia surfaces (mathematics)

As they say; the planet Earth in another example of a two dimensional object, yet it also has the three additional Euclidian dimensions. So the Earth is a 5D object. Add in motion for 6D Earth.

So we can say the common conception of dimensions as separate worlds where physics is different, is easier to understood when thinking in 6D Euclidean time and space.

One might suggest Eck passed through an boundary (plane) rather than the "experimental portal".

So let's borrow from Lewis Carroll's (occult) work Through The Looking Glass And What Alice Found There.

Within the mirror we see our reflection. In the looking glass we see something else. To change a mirror into a looking glass we stop seeing ourselves. That is how I would explain the knack of scrying. The mirror is only a tool.

The boundaries (of self) are our own inbuilt two dimensional mirrors and looking glasses.

My avatar is me looking through the looking glass at Alice in Wonderland. "Alice" is actually a real (deceased) girl.

In practice, this is what it is like:


Gazing into the mirror, my reflection disappears.
She steps forward and smiles, my love lost so long ago.
Her hands reach up, her palms upon the glass.
Our hands nearly touch.
Then her fingers interlace with mine, then mine with hers.
The boundaries are breached, she pulls herself across and into me.


So my advice to the good Dr Stone is to put aside his science and look towards his attractive secretary, Miss Elizabeth Dunn, who is in love with him.

Dr Stone's time with her is running out, Miss Dunn won't be there forever . . .

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
a reply to: Night Star

The bottom line is…..

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uhhh huhuhuhuhuh

theres some klingons around uranus.

Well nice to know the devolutionary rut in which this thread became stuck.

It could however likely be the case where humanity will just never be able to generate enough evolutionary mojo to attain any of the nicer things.

Even if the government has secrets like a ufo crash ship or debris or even an alien, that doesn’t mean they can explain what this is.

originally posted by: Plunkenstein
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Any named or otherwise designated deity must first be proved to exist, then we could get to the matters of responsibility, justification etc.

"Alien secrecy should end..."

By extension, couldn't one say that aliens or alien secrecy must first be proved to exist, then we would be able to discuss if it should end?

There is obviously lots of secrecy, but you're living in a different universe than me if you're assuming the secrecy is about aliens. I think people are jumping to conclusions about UFOs when they say "I don't know what it was, therefore it was alien", when to me the conversation ends at "I don't know what it was". If you don't know what it was, then you don't know what it was.

Interestingly, the first UFOs in the mid to late forties weren’t all the weirdo UFOs. No, the few were actually brick-and-mortar, silvery disks.

Another thing we don’t realize. The fewer ufos, mostly physical disks, are more believable than all the combined weirdo UFOs that appeared subsequently: lights, night objects that can’t be made out, triangle UFOs, and modular small landing crafts, except for the early 40s and 50s, green fireballs around military establishments.

We must accept that this mysterious phenomenon is not easily understood or exposed.