Russia Rages After Son of Putin Official Is Nabbed on U.S. Charges

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

Sure they got there nukes. But what point would it be to fire them off except out of spite? The whole world suffers and they’d lose in the end anyway.

Either way you look at it they’re fighting a losing battle, just so long as the west holds strong and doesn’t give in.

They have more than nukes. They have land and natural resources.

If you're going to get into a conventional war with Russia, you're going to need diesel for your tanks. You'll need JP5 for your jets. You'll need gasoline for your troop transports. Presently, the Biden administration has gutted our fuel production.

You'll also need a lot of troops. The opioid crisis has decimated our recruitment pool. The current administration has alienated otherwise likely recruits. I can't speak for other countries, I don't think the US military is in top form these days.

Add to that the likelyhood that Russia can count on China and Iran for support. That would give them manpower, tech, fuel, and access to resources.

A conventional war with Russia isn't the cakewalk the warhawks would have you believe. Ultimately, I believe the West would be the first to let nukes fly, out of frustration.

"Never get into a land war in Asia" is more than just a clever line from a great movie.

a reply to: TrueAmerican


The US and Russia suddenly talked at around the time of the arrest.

If this was about the arrest you can imagine how the news was used to tighten the screw on Russia.

www.reuters.com...

originally posted by: Doxanoxa
a reply to: TrueAmerican


The US and Russia suddenly talked at around the time of the arrest.

If this was about the arrest you can imagine how the news was used to tighten the screw on Russia.

www.reuters.com...

I have a different theory at this point. The call was to clear up any misunderstandings. And funny how this came after two very important events:

1) The rapid summoning of the British defense minister to Washington which was unusual when done in such a fashion.
and
2) The subsequent resignation a day or two later of the British Prime Minister.

I have been wondering if that call had to do more with some kind of plan NATO has in place, and it may not be the entirety of NATO, but just for example the UK and US, and what moves might be coming. The misunderstandings to be cleared up with the Kremlin may have more to do with certain decisions that were made in Washington, and the UK brought into those. It's just a theory. Could be wrong. But considering the buildups going on in Poland and Lithuania, and Belarus- I would have to refer you back to this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And what plan would that be? Well, quite simply: If Russia opens up a new front and attacks Ukraine from Belarus, which many people seem to doubt- even though there has been a formidable buildup of Russian troops there- then that may be a red line which Washington may decide is enough to warrant the invasion of Belarus to stop it. I mean you gotta figure if we went to war in Iraq over supposed WMD's, here we have a situation where WMD's in Belarus, put there by Russia, are a scarily real possibility.

Red lines: everyone's got em. All of these things are data points which can be debated- but to me I am suspicious that it is the US's last warning to Russia- you attack from Belarus and we will invade it. Just a theory. But that is what recent ACTIONS suggest. To me.

originally posted by: TrueAmerican
I guess my point is, just how much pressure can Putin take? When is enough enough? And will the cornered bear lash out in a last desperate attempt by unleashing his nuclear arsenal? It is often said that the most dangerous man is the one with nothing left to lose. And between him and General Armageddon, these are scary times, indeed.

IMO, Putin's regime is on a German/Prussian (WW2) and Confederate (U.S. Civil War) style death ride. Putin staked the future of his regime on the war in Ukraine. So Russia's defeat in Ukraine will seal Putin's fate and risk tipping Russia into a second civil war. Moreover, in the event of the Russian Civil War Mk2, it is possible weapons of mass destruction will be employed during that conflict.

China is the international wildcard: China might opt to invade Siberia under the guise of liberation. So Russian institutional corruption, lousy military performance in Ukraine, and political instability might prove too tempting for China's expansionist goals.

a reply to: TrueAmerican

I guess my point is, just how much pressure can Putin take? When is enough enough? And will the cornered bear lash out

I feel like he would have done so by now if he could.
So maybe he just doesn't have the power to do so anymore.

originally posted by: sarahvital

originally posted by: Blaine91555
You ask a good question here. The problem is that if the world backs off on the various sanctions Putin will take it as a weakness and it is of course. He would no doubt take that to mean he can just keep invading other countries in an attempt to rebuild the failed USSR.

IMO the world has no choice but to stop him now and it would be a grievous error not to do that. The world has seen what these power-mad pseudo-dictators do when not contained.

I've wondered if the media has in fact been downplaying how scary this is, so as not to create unnecessary panic. Probably so. I'd think all people who are paying attention are very nervous now.

I think what will happen is Putin will dial it down for a time and then go on as though the areas he's captured were part of Russia all along. He will claim a victory.

I also think the Russian people have had enough and he's cognizant of that. He's facing a serious revolt at home if he does not back down soon. That may also be the tipping point that makes this madman flip the switch.

like Estonia?

Is this what you are alluding to?

Declaring himself a modern Peter the Great, Putin offers a new threat to Estonia

Increasingly imbued with a mythology of destiny that his fate and Russia's are inextricably linked, Vladimir Putin declared himself a modern Peter the Great on Thursday...

...Yet Putin's theory has a problem. The Russian president forgets that as he gazes toward Narva, he faces one challenge that Peter the Great did not. Peter's 1704 siege of Narva never had to contend with a rapid response brigade of the 82nd Airborne Division. Nor did he face the forces of those NATO allies such as Britain, Poland, and the Baltics, which are willing to fight.

Thus, for all his mythology, the truth is that Putin isn't actually a modern Peter. Instead, to borrow from Pushkin, he appears to be "a sick man in his troubled bed."

Putin is so far over his head he's drowning in the self-aggrandizing delusional world of fiction he's swimming in. Russia for all its bluster is not a wealthy country. Its GDP is abysmal compared to the First World and let's face it, it takes serious money to pose a major threat on a global scale.

He can shed his shirt and mount as many horses as he wants on camera, but none of that changes reality. He's hobbled by a population where he's only popular out of fear of him and has a small bank account on the world stage. The West so dwarfs him and his power, his anger over that is what makes him dangerous.

GDP per Capita 2022
Russia
Ranking: 53
GDP per Capita: $27,903

United States
Ranking: 7
GDP per Capita: $63,416

Add the rest of the Western World to that and you get a mountain Putin can't climb. His real danger is if he completely loses his mind and thinks he is a world power. That is what is unnerving. How much of a lunatic sociopath is he? Will he push the button knowing full well he can't win?

United States GDP is around 20 trillion, while Russia's GDP is around 1.78 trillion.

a reply to: M5xaz

It all depends on his level of insanity. The war he can't win is the war of the dollar.

He's definitely full enough of himself the world should take note and be ready if he snaps. The Russian people need to wake up and take him down.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
IMO the world has no choice but to stop him now and it would be a grievous error not to do that. The world has seen what these power-mad pseudo-dictators do when not contained.

I agree, these dangerous people need to be stopped. But who is going to stop King Charles, Klaus Schwabb and Bill Gates, with their great reset agenda? It seems either way, we are screwed. We either have Putin turning the world, or at least Eastern Europe soviet, or the WEF imposing their fourth reich on the entire world. Or maybe both will happen. I think Putin is merely playing his role in the game.

a reply to: MetalChickAmy

Foundations of sand. If it all comes down, all their money won't buy a loaf of bread. My view of how it will eventually come down. May not happen this century but eventually, we return to the dark ages. We return to a time when a strong back and knowledge of how to survive and how to build will decide who has power.

originally posted by: TrueAmerican

originally posted by: Doxanoxa
a reply to: TrueAmerican


The US and Russia suddenly talked at around the time of the arrest.

If this was about the arrest you can imagine how the news was used to tighten the screw on Russia.

www.reuters.com...

I have a different theory at this point. The call was to clear up any misunderstandings. And funny how this came after two very important events:

1) The rapid summoning of the British defense minister to Washington which was unusual when done in such a fashion.
and
2) The subsequent resignation a day or two later of the British Prime Minister.

I have been wondering if that call had to do more with some kind of plan NATO has in place, and it may not be the entirety of NATO, but just for example the UK and US, and what moves might be coming. The misunderstandings to be cleared up with the Kremlin may have more to do with certain decisions that were made in Washington, and the UK brought into those. It's just a theory. Could be wrong. But considering the buildups going on in Poland and Lithuania, and Belarus- I would have to refer you back to this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I don't think 1 and 2 are related at all - Truss was hated by the public and her own Party. She's utterly useless and even forgot to vote on key issues the day before her resignation. The Sec. Defence is my old MP, I'm not a fan of the guy but he's clever enough not to tell Truss anything important/sensitive.

The trip by Ben Wallace may have been something to do with the rumoured Russian nuke tests that were meant to take place as part of annual Grom nuclear drills but allegedly sabotaged by Russian generals refusing to follow orders (Varlery Solovey claims a couple were due to take place but an 'emergency situation' happened.

Russia closed the airspace over the testing grounds a couple of weeks back but the alert expires in 12 hrs or so; maybe it was smoke and mirrors by Russia to divert Western intel resources, sabotage or technical failure.

Or it could just have been the incident where a Russian jet fired a missile in close vicinity to a UK/NATO plane that Wallace announced in Parliament when he returned to the UK. It happened a couple of weeks prior but Russia's investigation and response to the major incident was 'oh, that was a techniical error'.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: M5xaz

He's definitely full enough of himself the world should take note and be ready if he snaps. The Russian people need to wake up and take him down.

Not gonna happen.

Besides, I really don't care about Russia or Ukraine.
I care about avoiding nuclear holocaust, which is guaranteed if this poke the bear war goes on.

Playing Nuclear Russian Roullette is for full of themselves idiots

a reply to: M5xaz

If a person like Putin is allowed to continue to invade and appropriate land that is the property of other sovereign nations unabated, where do you think that will lead? You don't think he will just keep doing it until he forces the world to react? The longer this goes on the greater the danger. Right now Putin is fighting from a position of weakness and IMO it's time to tell him "no".

The more he's allowed to get away with, the more likely he will push the button in my opinion. The world whimping out which is how Putin will see it will only make him bolder and more willing to arm the missiles.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: M5xaz

If a person like Putin is allowed to continue to invade and appropriate land that is the property of other sovereign nations unabated, where do you think that will lead? You don't think he will just keep doing it until he forces the world to react? The longer this goes on the greater the danger. Right now Putin is fighting from a position of weakness and IMO it's time to tell him "no".

The more he's allowed to get away with, the more likely he will push the button in my opinion. The world whimping out which is how Putin will see it will only make him bolder and more willing to arm the missiles.

Putin has shown to be militarily weak.

He is clearly UNABLE to invade anything else.


During the Cold War, the West did not invade East Germany or any of the Warsaw pact countries.
THAT would have caused Nuclear War

NATO countries just ensured a very strong military presence and waited out the collapse of the USSR
THAT was the correct strategy.
No war
No hundreds of million dead

Kennedy, a good old DEMOCRAT followed the same strategy during the Cuban missile crisis
No war
No hundreds of million DEAD.

I support the EXACT SAME KNOWN GOOD strategy for this conflict, with a strong military presence on Ukraine bordering states

Your warmonger approach WILL directly lead to hundreds of million dead.
Again, enough with the childish "King of the Mountain/Biggest Dick" warmonger approach

Follow instead, what has been historically PROVEN to work, with NO mass nuclear genocide.

a reply to: M5xaz

I've never said a word about attacking Putin militarily? I think you misunderstood. I'm not a Hawk.

We need to cut Russia off from the rest of the world. The world does not need what Russia has as it's all available from other nations. The world needs to bear the pain of giving up access to Russia's products and move them to the side.

No more half-measures, just cut them off. Get all the rest of the citizens of the world out of there, cut off all ties and isolate the Bear. Then watch as the Russian people have a talk with Putin.