Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

Russian journalist Maria Ponomarenko has been sentenced to six years in prison for reporting on the Russian airstrike on a Mariupol drama theatre in which civilians were sheltering resulting in around 300 deaths.

“Maria Ponomarenko’s sentence shows that in Russia telling the truth, denouncing a war crime and demanding justice for the killing of civilians, has itself become a grave offence punishable by many years in prison. Her sentence is yet another example of injustice and the cynicism of the authorities in Russia, which are disturbingly routine. The authorities are trying to lock up all those who disagree with them and intimidate others to stay silent and look the other way rather than risk years behind bars.”

On 15 February, Leninsky District Court of Barnaul, Altay Kray, sentenced Maria Ponomarenko, a journalist with RusNews online media, to six years in a penal colony after finding her guilty of disseminating “knowingly false information” about the Russian Armed Forces, a new “crime” recently introduced as Article 207.3 to the Russian Criminal Code. She had been held in pre-trial detention since 24 April 2022.

In addition, she is prohibited from engaging in journalistic activities for five years after serving her sentence. The prosecution asked the court to sentence her to nine years in prison for posting a publication in the “Tsenzury net” (No Censorship) Telegram-channel. In it she wrote about the deaths of civilians hiding in a theatre in Mariupol after it was hit by a Russian airstrike. Twelve of those who died in the attack were identified by Amnesty International in a detailed report published in June 2022.
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Nazi's
Ethnic Cleansing
NATO Encroachment
Anti- Christ Uprising
Gravity
Poland flexing its muscles
Moldovia is just being paranoid
Germany is weak, yet "Look at the age old enemy at the gate!"
Britain will be the driving force behind a nuclear exchange
The US is just wanting the destruction of Europe and to keep Russia in its place (ok maybe that last one is true...)

a reply to: AlaskaJoe907

You forgot the US bioweapon labs....

BBC News - Lukashenko warns Belarus will join Russia in war if attacked
www.bbc.co.uk...

Can we expect a false flag in Belarus now?

originally posted by: AlaskaJoe907
a reply to: Xtrozero

Nazi's
Ethnic Cleansing
NATO Encroachment
Anti- Christ Uprising
Gravity
Poland flexing its muscles
Moldovia is just being paranoid
Germany is weak, yet "Look at the age old enemy at the gate!"
Britain will be the driving force behind a nuclear exchange
The US is just wanting the destruction of Europe and to keep Russia in its place (ok maybe that last one is true...)

I think this is a sign Russia is descending into madness. Like the last days of the third reich.
The propaganda on Russian state TV is incredible never seen anything like it. Complete loony tunes fantasy world.

a reply to: JimTSpock

There's quite a lot of it on here, too.

originally posted by: AlaskaJoe907

The US is just wanting the destruction of Europe and to keep Russia in its place (ok maybe that last one is true...)

Russia only has themselves to blame to open wide this door of "war of attrition" as that is what the US and others are involved with. Russia literary handed this opportunity with a big red bow where there is no victory for them and the US/EU is bleeding them dry one tank and one solider at a time until they say I give, or Putin is removed as the scapegoat.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: AlaskaJoe907

You forgot the US bioweapon labs....

...smh, how could i forget that one.....

My bad guys for my lack of accuracy

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: AlaskaJoe907

The US is just wanting the destruction of Europe and to keep Russia in its place (ok maybe that last one is true...)

Russia only has themselves to blame to open wide this door of "war of attrition" as that is what the US and others are involved with. Russia literary handed this opportunity with a big red bow where there is no victory for them and the US/EU is bleeding them dry one tank and one solider at a time until they say I give, or Putin is removed as the scapegoat.

Heres the insane part...

One of the "true" primary reasons for this war was because of the fear of NATO expansionism. And Putins dream of reconstituting the Soviet Empire of old.

Geopolitically though its lead to one of the largest backfires in recent memory.

By invading he actually lead to....wait for it...the expansion of NATO, but just in a area he believed was secure for eternity... THE FRICKIN ARCTIC....

D>>>U>>>M>>>BBBBBB

originally posted by: AlaskaJoe907

By invading he actually lead to....wait for it...the expansion of NATO, but just in a area he believed was secure for eternity... THE FRICKIN ARCTIC....

D>>>U>>>M>>>BBBBBB

He thought it would be another walk in the park with virgin Ukrainian women throwing roses as his troops marched unhindered into Kiev. Putin wants many of the old USSR countries back and Ukraine was the Diamond of them all. Also, he wanted Donbas area since it is the largest natural gas reserves in Europe. Russia would add 44 million people and greatly increase their GNP that right now is well below Texas.

None of that happen...

originally posted by: AlaskaJoe907
One of the "true" primary reasons for this war was because of the fear of NATO expansionism. And Putins dream of reconstituting the Soviet Empire of old.

So some people keep saying. The "NATO excuse" is propagated by lazy commentators, and stirred by a manipulative Russia.

The real threat to Russia is the expansion of democracy and the fact that this makes countries more prosperous. It's not a good look for Russia to have countries that were once under their jackboots better off and more successful.

The fact is that NATO's expansion has been gradual and has not been a source of continuous tension. It only became a significant part of the narrative when Russia started to pick on Ukraine in 2014. It has been a murmuring part of the narrative to cloak discontent for democratic expansion and societal improvement in Eastern Europe.

Russia's partial occupation of Ukraine (e.g. Crimea) put an end to any talk of NATO membership, as it would not be possible for NATO to accept a part-occupied member. Similarly, any aspirations around NATO or Western alliances voiced by Georgia have now been silenced by the occupation of parts of Georgia. Oh, and Moldova too.

I do agree on Putin's dream. It's an imperial dream, and no longer how the world works. Russian needs to move into the 21st century, and they are doing it over a mountain of corpses and misery.

hearing reports that up to 10K russian tropps have surrendered to Ukraine as they refuse to fight for Russia



A group called the "free Russia legion" fight to free Russia from Putin

is that what they have needed all along

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
"Ukrainians blow up bridge in Bakhmut amid reports Russia closing in
Kyiv denies retreat imminent as Kremlin throws troops at capturing city before one-year anniversary of war"

Looks like Backmut is about to fall to Moscow................

"Russian forces now occupy areas to the north and south of Bakhmut and have been attempting to overwhelm Ukrainian forces by ceaselessly throwing streams of infantry soldiers at the Ukrainian frontlines.

“The Russians next to Bakhmut are trying to rely more on manpower than on armoured vehicles,” said Serhiy Cherevaty, Ukraine’s military spokesperson for the eastern command. He told Ukraine’s Telemarathon on Sunday that the Russians were using small tactical groups to approach Ukrainian troops and try to engage them in close-combat battles, not risking their heavy equipment in the current weather conditions and Ukraine’s ability to target it.

The fight to control Bakhmut began in June and has become one of the war’s bloodiest battles, with Russia concentrating a huge number of resources on capturing the town."

Did you forget to post a source for those quotes? Where did they come from?

It's been a tough battle for Bakhmut and the last I heard the Russians had taken about 4 or 5 blocks of a residential area in the east of the city. Even if Russia were to take Bakhmut, it would be a pyrrhic victory at this point after the heavy losses they have already sustained.

The Wagner group seems to have been leading the advances in the Bakhmut area before now. They had a supply of prisoners to use as cannon fodder to lose in probing attacks to identify the Ukrainian defensive positions, then they could use the more experienced Wagner troops to attack those positions once identified. They were more successful than the regular Russian army because of not having the same bureaucracy and could make more effective and flexible command decisions on the fly, and apparently were getting plenty of weapons diverted from the regular Russian army.

But according to a recent speech by Wagner's leader Prigozhin, they no longer recruit soldiers and they are not getting the ammo they once did. So Denys Davydov on youtube thinks the major force that was once Wagner is withering from lack of supplies of prisoners and weapons/ammo. Maybe Putin was worried Prigozhin was getting too powerful, and that's why he stopped the flow of weapons to Wagner? He discusses that possibility in this update:



Denys was worried about Bakhmut falling too, and while it still might fall to the Russians, he thinks Ukraine has a better chance of holding it against the less competent regular Russian army now since Wagner appears to be faltering from lack of manpower and ammo. I don't know how many Russians have died in the battle for Bakhmut but I'm sure it's a lot...more than the Ukrainians lost in the same battles.

Denys also says Putin is under increasing pressure internally from Russian elites to end the war, but I don't see how Putin could do that at this point and stay in power, even if he wanted to end the war. Apparently increasing numbers of Russian elites want the war to end, according to intelligence sources.

Russians destroying book's

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Just like the nazis did back then i lost count how many times Russianss
Seem to copy from nazi playbook....


And , denazifying means all have to be killed ...

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originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
"Ukrainians blow up bridge in Bakhmut amid reports Russia closing in
Kyiv denies retreat imminent as Kremlin throws troops at capturing city before one-year anniversary of war"

Looks like Backmut is about to fall to Moscow................

"Russian forces now occupy areas to the north and south of Bakhmut and have been attempting to overwhelm Ukrainian forces by ceaselessly throwing streams of infantry soldiers at the Ukrainian frontlines.

“The Russians next to Bakhmut are trying to rely more on manpower than on armoured vehicles,” said Serhiy Cherevaty, Ukraine’s military spokesperson for the eastern command. He told Ukraine’s Telemarathon on Sunday that the Russians were using small tactical groups to approach Ukrainian troops and try to engage them in close-combat battles, not risking their heavy equipment in the current weather conditions and Ukraine’s ability to target it.

The fight to control Bakhmut began in June and has become one of the war’s bloodiest battles, with Russia concentrating a huge number of resources on capturing the town."

Did you forget to post a source for those quotes? Where did they come from?

It's been a tough battle for Bakhmut and the last I heard the Russians had taken about 4 or 5 blocks of a residential area in the east of the city. Even if Russia were to take Bakhmut, it would be a pyrrhic victory at this point after the heavy losses they have already sustained.

The Wagner group seems to have been leading the advances in the Bakhmut area before now. They had a supply of prisoners to use as cannon fodder to lose in probing attacks to identify the Ukrainian defensive positions, then they could use the more experienced Wagner troops to attack those positions once identified. They were more successful than the regular Russian army because of not having the same bureaucracy and could make more effective and flexible command decisions on the fly, and apparently were getting plenty of weapons diverted from the regular Russian army.

But according to a recent speech by Wagner's leader Prigozhin, they no longer recruit soldiers and they are not getting the ammo they once did. So Denys Davydov on youtube thinks the major force that was once Wagner is withering from lack of supplies of prisoners and weapons/ammo. Maybe Putin was worried Prigozhin was getting too powerful, and that's why he stopped the flow of weapons to Wagner? He discusses that possibility in this update:

Denys was worried about Bakhmut falling too, and while it still might fall to the Russians, he thinks Ukraine has a better chance of holding it against the less competent regular Russian army now since Wagner appears to be faltering from lack of manpower and ammo. I don't know how many Russians have died in the battle for Bakhmut but I'm sure it's a lot...more than the Ukrainians lost in the same battles.

Denys also says Putin is under increasing pressure internally from Russian elites to end the war, but I don't see how Putin could do that at this point and stay in power, even if he wanted to end the war. Apparently increasing numbers of Russian elites want the war to end, according to intelligence sources.

So when a city got liberated in WW2 it was a Pyrrhic victory? Also, if you look at it from the other side, Russia considers it a meat grinder against Ukrainian troops because Zelensky keeps sending 1000s of troops in Buhkmut.

There’s many vids popping up lately showing Ukrainian personnel chasing and locking male citizens down in the cities to be recruited.

Also, I seriously doubt the rumor about “growing number of Russian elites pressuring Putin to end the war” is true.

And what? Give up Crimea too? Don’t think the massive majority of millions in Crimea that are pro Russian would like that lol. And the majority in Russia wouldn’t either.

a reply to: Imhere

Keep on believing your Russian propaganda, mate.

It's sad, though.

a reply to: Kenzo

isnt all war fascist in nature , since by definition using violence to manipulate an outcome based on ones own ideology ?

authoritarian by nature as the people never decide if we goto war only our governments who order us to fight

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

fair enough the west arent ruled by a single dictator

but everything else checks out

The Wagner group seems to have been leading the advances in the Bakhmut area before now. They had a supply of prisoners to use as cannon fodder to lose in probing attacks to identify the Ukrainian defensive positions, then they could use the more experienced Wagner troops to attack those positions once identified. They were more successful than the regular Russian army because of not having the same bureaucracy and could make more effective and flexible command decisions on the fly, and apparently were getting plenty of weapons diverted from the regular Russian army.

a reply to: Imhere

Ottoman Turks used something similar - there were called Bashi Bazouks, literally "crazy heads" Many were Chrisitan renegades from the Balkans who fought solely for plunder Would be lined up in front of the regular troops, Janissary, Behind them were a line of men with whips and maces to keep this rabble moving forward . Would be employed to wear out the opposing troops,, usually the Knights Hospitallers

Russian did the same thing, used recruited criminals, poorly trained and equipped against Ukrainian positions to expose them and have Ukrainians use up their ammo, especially the artillery Supposedly word got out that only 1 in 5 of those used in the attacks came back ..........

Seems some Wagner troops aren't happy in the meat grinder that is Bakhmut.

Ukraine has released extraordinary video footage that appears to show Russian fighters dragging their badly wounded commander away from the battlefield, and then beating him violently with what appear to be shovels.

Wagner graves near Bakhmut

a reply to: gortex

look like axes , not shovels

I dont think they are beating anyone

Why would 4 soliders risk their lives to bring an injured man to safety only to beat him moments later
why not just leave him injured to suffer

doesnt make any sense , this looks like propaganda