Ukraine wants in response fast track NATO membership - yay or nay-

a reply to: Lazarus Short

Crimea voted itself out of Ukraine.

3 types of lies , lies , damn lies and statistics.

Crimea probably didn't vote itself out of Ukraine.

Official Kremlin results: 97 percent of polled voters for annexation, turnout 83 percent, and 82 percent of total Crimean population voting in favor.

President’s Human Rights Council mid-point estimate: 55 percent of polled voters for annexation, turnout 40 percent, 22.5 percent of total Crimean population voting in favor.

A member of the Human Rights Council, Svetlana Gannushkina, talked about election fraud on Kanal 24 (as replayed on Ukrainian television), declaring that the Crimean vote “discredited Russia more than could be dreamed up by a foreign agent.”
www.forbes.com... voted-for-annexation/

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Peeple

Why wasn't Ukraine admitted into NATO again?

You know, since Nulin and McCain helped "solidify" their sovereignity and independence in 2014?

History man....read it without blinders

a reply to: Peeple


I gave you a star for honesty.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Peeple

Why wasn't Ukraine admitted into NATO again?

You know, since Nulin and McCain helped "solidify" their sovereignity and independence in 2014?

History man....read it without blinders

Which part?

The part where Ukraine were killing their own citizens?

a reply to: gortex

Yes.

About as legit as this latest sham:


en.m.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Peeple

Nay.

It's a reactive decision, not a proactive one.

Why didn't they want to join 5 years ago or 10 or 15?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Cos they got invaded this year?

Fairly good reason?

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Peeple

Why wasn't Ukraine admitted into NATO again?

You know, since Nulin and McCain helped "solidify" their sovereignity and independence in 2014?

History man....read it without blinders

Which part?

The part where Ukraine were killing their own citizens?

Name a country that hasn't killed it own.
Nauru maybe....

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
four regions of Ukraine voted to join the Russian Federation

That's what the msm tells you. But let's think about this logically. First of all, Russia doesn't even have military control of those regions, let alone the ability to organize elections there. So people living outside of Russian-occupied areas had no chance to vote.

But even then, aren't you aware that millions of Ukrainians have fled their homes. And hundreds of thousands have taken up arms. Don't you think they have the right to vote? Or what are they supposed to do, send their mail-in ballots to the enemy, lol?

a reply to: Cutepants

The MSM tells it was a sham referendum.

Which it obviously was.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

The Western MSM, yeah. They say it was a sham, but I say it was not only a sham, but also impossible for Russia pull off with the resources they have. Even if they wanted to hold a fair referendum they couldn't.

a reply to: Cutepants

Agreed.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Peeple

Why wasn't Ukraine admitted into NATO again?

You know, since Nulin and McCain helped "solidify" their sovereignity and independence in 2014?

History man....read it without blinders

Which part?

The part where Ukraine were killing their own citizens?

Name a country that hasn't killed it own.
Nauru maybe....

Ah, so you know of the history, you just dont care and easily justify the death.

a reply to: DBCowboy

They did. Ukraine voted to integrate the NATO Membership Action Plan in 2008. They even amended their Constitution in 2019 to be in line with the standards set by NATO.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Was just about to post the same thing.

originally posted by: optimisticcontrarian

originally posted by: Annee
YES!!!!

Putin and all the old-world conqueror types need to be stopped.

So youre PRO ww3 now?

Do you have any idea what this would throw the world in to?

Also NATO applicants cannot be accepted if they are currently in hostilities with another country

Wow its crazy to watch you leftist completely flip into blood hungry war machines

Drama much?

I'm pro moving forward to a Global understanding and unity of all countries.

No Putin renegade Empire Building whack jobs allowed.

a reply to: Peeple

So when, and it's likely, if not probable, that suddenly the worlds cities begin to sprout glowing mushrooms, all too many of you seem to think that that price is OK for standing up to a bully...?

We have people in power who's grip on sanity may not be all that we'd like it to be.

Millions dead in a flash. With billions possibly wishing they'd gone in that flash in the aftermath.

No thanks.

Ukraine will solve its problems one way, or another. It's not our fight. We've spent the better part of a century poking our noses where they didn't belong, or staying far too long, when the time for sticking our noses in ended.

Protect ourselves? Yes. Protect others? Not if they're unwilling to do it themselves--and certainly not at the cost of millions of innocents who've no skin in this stupid game of brinksmanship. I grew up with the Cold War...and it's return is most unwelcome.

I am not going to cheer for its probably escalation.

a reply to: Annee

Some of us hold a much clearer memory of your comments concerning this issue then you do, by all appearances.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Lazarus Short



3 types of lies , lies , damn lies and statistics.

Or is it lies, damned lies and ATS posts?

a reply to: seagull

Would you have been in favour of ignoring Hitler's invasion of Poland and appeasement?