NEW Oxford study shows a big decline in immune system

originally posted by: nonspecific
Here's another story you might not have heard of.

A 44 year old obese woman with type 2 diabetes had the moderna vaccine and felt a bit groggy for a day or so, she still went to work but went to bed a bit earlier than usual and was fine the next day.

Months later she had a booster and the symptoms were similar but less severe.

She got covid a few months after that and was a bit poorly for a few days but I think she was milking it a bit so I had to make her cups of tea and she could avoid doing any housework.


a reply to: ScepticScot

Ironically, the study that the OP's doom porn is based on shows that people who are overweight receive less benefit from the vax than people at a healthy weight.

So the people who are at least risk from covid get the most protection from the vax while the people at most risk from covid get the least protection from the vax.

In the US covid has killed around the same number of people that you would expect to die if you detonated a medium sized nuclear warhead in a small city.

Globally, the vax has killed fewer people than improperly stored hand guns in the US over the same period.

Lets be honest and say that the only people still claiming that vaccines are deadly are those fringe scientists and doctors making money on books and blogs, some youtubers making 6-12 dollars per thousand views of the nonsense videos they make, some gullible people watching the videos and buying the books and the hardcore members of ATS who refuse to let go of what transpired to be yet another groundless conspiracy because there's nothing better come along yet to keep them active on the boards.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: nonspecific
Here's another story you might not have heard of.

A 44 year old obese woman with type 2 diabetes had the moderna vaccine and felt a bit groggy for a day or so, she still went to work but went to bed a bit earlier than usual and was fine the next day.

Months later she had a booster and the symptoms were similar but less severe.

She got covid a few months after that and was a bit poorly for a few days but I think she was milking it a bit so I had to make her cups of tea and she could avoid doing any housework.


a reply to: ScepticScot

You has to make tea!!!!

Stop the vaccine now!!!!!


Pretty similar to my own experience, mild cold symptoms for 24 hours after first jag. That was it.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

His death certificate confirmed he died due to complications from the vaccine

So, his death wasn't covered up, it was publicly acknowledged that the vax killed him, and the government paid out what is frankly an eyewatering amount of money in compensation?

I think that this right here puts pay to most of the conspiracies being peddled on this page.

I saw some articles on the news about this the other day.

It's inevitable that these things happen sadly but as you say there's no hushing up or anything involved.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

His death certificate confirmed he died due to complications from the vaccine

So, his death wasn't covered up, it was publicly acknowledged that the vax killed him, and the government paid out what is frankly an eyewatering amount of money in compensation?

I think that this right here puts pay to most of the conspiracies being peddled on this page.

a reply to: nonspecific

Don't underestimate the buying power of anti-vaxxers. Doom porn is a profitable business to be in, especially if you're selling snake-oil to people. These anti-vaxxer sites are a goldmine for selling everything from potions and elixir to crystals and pyramids. They're also a springboard to launch people into all kinds of other highly profitable "alternative fact" based conspiracies. For example, selling fake 5G blockers, or anti-wifi phone charms.

Some of the top anti-vaxxers on Instagram are health food influencers getting sponsorship money from people selling everything from seaweed smoothies to macrobiotic tampons. There are also a lot of vegan influences into anti-vaxxing because they see it as a way to get people into veganism, which certainly helps their clicks.

My point exactly, it's just the corrupt and the gullible left on this crazy train now.


a reply to: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: nonspecific
I saw some articles on the news about this the other day.

It's inevitable that these things happen sadly but as you say there's no hushing up or anything involved.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

His death certificate confirmed he died due to complications from the vaccine

So, his death wasn't covered up, it was publicly acknowledged that the vax killed him, and the government paid out what is frankly an eyewatering amount of money in compensation?

I think that this right here puts pay to most of the conspiracies being peddled on this page.

Probably the biggest irony here is that very early on a female journalist with the BBC died of a blood clot from the Astrazenica vax.

She died along with 14 other people. Mostly women.

Because of this pretty much the entire European Union changed its vax program. It demonstrated not only that the dangers from the vax were publicly acknowledged but that governments were willing to take action to prevent further deaths.

This debunks pretty much all of the conspiracies involving coverups and depopulation on its own

But because this happened in Europe most of the US anti-vaxxers know next to nothing about it.

originally posted by: nonspecific
My point exactly, it's just the corrupt and the gullible left on this crazy train now.


a reply to: AaarghZombies

Sadly, it's not just the left. Just look at where Alex Jones made most of his money.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: nonspecific
My point exactly, it's just the corrupt and the gullible left on this crazy train now.


a reply to: AaarghZombies

Sadly, it's not just the left. Just look at where Alex Jones made most of his money.

I think he/she means 'left on the train'.

Not 'gullible left, on the train'.

I do indeed.

If anything "the right" as they seem to be called now seem far more interested in dragging it out than "the left" ever did.

Maybe its because us "lefties" are all weak minded vegans who love doing what we are told.


a reply to: ScepticScot

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

His death certificate confirmed he died due to complications from the vaccine

So, his death wasn't covered up, it was publicly acknowledged that the vax killed him, and the government paid out what is frankly an eyewatering amount of money in compensation?

I think that this right here puts pay to most of the conspiracies being peddled on this page.

I don't know whether you think £120,000 is an extremely high amount in terms of compensation. His partner as well as many others think the opposite.

I don't know what is peddled in this site. However there was a discussion about someone else's personal experience i.e he didn't know of anyone who was injured from the vaccine and didn't know anyone else who knew about vaccine injuries.

Clearly you can see that personal experience isn't always a good guide. It's weak evidence in some cases.

Would you not say that a lot of "evidence" and belief in the danger of the vaccines on ATS is based on personal experience though?




a reply to: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Do you actually need a study, to see what's going on around you? There is enough evidence pouring out to suggest this is put on hold for a thorough independent investigation. That's unless you are potentially suicidal. Or don't care. I personally no longer care either way. If you trust it gets a booster.

I don't know anyone who has had a serious bad reaction, caught 'VAIDS' or any of the other vaccine induced conditions claimed to be happening all the time on this site

In fact I don't even know anyone who knows anyone.

This is consistent with the studies that show serious reactions to be very rare.

So on one side I have my own experience and the overwhelming weight of evidence.

On the other side I have conspiracy theorists posting bitchute videos that are repeatedly shown (as in this thread) to be making false claims.

What way is this going to go...

www.bbc.co.uk...

I think you need to closer look to the facts and a personal experience cannot usually validate a claim made. I will not discuss Infectious diseases, epidemiology, or vaccine damage in this thread. But vaccines can harm you regardless how remote this seems to many. The risk to benefit ratio is what one should consider and the risk group they belong to before making any decision.


Here is the story from the article above:



"A woman whose partner died after having an AstraZeneca jab has become the first person to receive compensation over a Covid vaccine death.

Vikki Spit's former rock singer fiancé Zion, 48, of Alston, Cumbria, fell ill eight days after he had his injection and died in May 2021.

She was awarded the maximum settlement of £120,000 but said it was not enough.

The 38-year-old said she had got into debt after losing Zion's earnings and should have had closer to £180,000.

Ms Spit also said she had to wait too long for compensation under the Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme 1979, and the amount had not kept track with inflation since the scheme was set up.

Vaccine damage payments available to anyone who has become disabled as a result of having a vaccination and people can also apply on behalf of someone who has died.

The scheme offers one-off, tax-free sums of up to £120,000 and while payments do not affect people's rights to take legal action, they can have implications for their benefits

Ms Spit called an ambulance for Zion when he began suffering "excruciating" headaches on 13 May last year and he died in Newcastle's Royal Victoria Infirmary six days later.


His death certificate confirmed he died due to complications from the vaccine

Not sure why you would think I would need to relook at the facts when they align with my personal experience.

Risk benefit ratio is exactly how we do look at who should take the vaccine and that is what the recommendations are based on.

You have said that you don't know anyone who has been injured by the vaccines and your personal experience is saying that it's the case.

Your personal experience is not adequate and surely from the case above not only someone was injured from the Astrazeneca Vaccine but he actually died from it.

Personal experiences are often weak evidence.

You don't have a personal experience and toy don't know anyone who knows anyone who have been injured from the vaccines. Imagine we use this as guidance when dealing with possible adverse reactions and injuries?

I said my personal experience and the personal experience of everyone I knows alligns with the data.

So why would I believe conspiracy theories that claim otherwise?

You are the one who posted a story about a single person's experience.

I am not the one who peddles conspiracy theories. The story I gave you it's a fact. Also personal experience isn't always a good guide.

I posted a story because you have implied there is nobody who has been injured due to vaccines as your...experience says so!

In principle you are implying that nobody has been injured. That's false as you can see.

I think you misread what Sceptic said.

He said that he did not know(personally) or even know anyone who knew someone that had died as a result from a covid vaccine.

That is not the same as saying he does not know of anybody that died from one.


a reply to: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Do you actually need a study, to see what's going on around you? There is enough evidence pouring out to suggest this is put on hold for a thorough independent investigation. That's unless you are potentially suicidal. Or don't care. I personally no longer care either way. If you trust it gets a booster.

I don't know anyone who has had a serious bad reaction, caught 'VAIDS' or any of the other vaccine induced conditions claimed to be happening all the time on this site

In fact I don't even know anyone who knows anyone.

This is consistent with the studies that show serious reactions to be very rare.

So on one side I have my own experience and the overwhelming weight of evidence.

On the other side I have conspiracy theorists posting bitchute videos that are repeatedly shown (as in this thread) to be making false claims.

What way is this going to go...

www.bbc.co.uk...

I think you need to closer look to the facts and a personal experience cannot usually validate a claim made. I will not discuss Infectious diseases, epidemiology, or vaccine damage in this thread. But vaccines can harm you regardless how remote this seems to many. The risk to benefit ratio is what one should consider and the risk group they belong to before making any decision.


Here is the story from the article above:



"A woman whose partner died after having an AstraZeneca jab has become the first person to receive compensation over a Covid vaccine death.

Vikki Spit's former rock singer fiancé Zion, 48, of Alston, Cumbria, fell ill eight days after he had his injection and died in May 2021.

She was awarded the maximum settlement of £120,000 but said it was not enough.

The 38-year-old said she had got into debt after losing Zion's earnings and should have had closer to £180,000.

Ms Spit also said she had to wait too long for compensation under the Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme 1979, and the amount had not kept track with inflation since the scheme was set up.

Vaccine damage payments available to anyone who has become disabled as a result of having a vaccination and people can also apply on behalf of someone who has died.

The scheme offers one-off, tax-free sums of up to £120,000 and while payments do not affect people's rights to take legal action, they can have implications for their benefits

Ms Spit called an ambulance for Zion when he began suffering "excruciating" headaches on 13 May last year and he died in Newcastle's Royal Victoria Infirmary six days later.


His death certificate confirmed he died due to complications from the vaccine

Not sure why you would think I would need to relook at the facts when they align with my personal experience.

Risk benefit ratio is exactly how we do look at who should take the vaccine and that is what the recommendations are based on.

You have said that you don't know anyone who has been injured by the vaccines and your personal experience is saying that it's the case.

Your personal experience is not adequate and surely from the case above not only someone was injured from the Astrazeneca Vaccine but he actually died from it.

Personal experiences are often weak evidence.

You don't have a personal experience and toy don't know anyone who knows anyone who have been injured from the vaccines. Imagine we use this as guidance when dealing with possible adverse reactions and injuries?

I said my personal experience and the personal experience of everyone I knows alligns with the data.

So why would I believe conspiracy theories that claim otherwise?

You are the one who posted a story about a single person's experience.

I am not the one who peddles conspiracy theories. The story I gave you it's a fact. Also personal experience isn't always a good guide.

I posted a story because you have implied there is nobody who has been injured due to vaccines as your...experience says so!

In principle you are implying that nobody has been injured. That's false as you can see.

I said the risk was very low. I have never in any thread say there was no risk.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Do you actually need a study, to see what's going on around you? There is enough evidence pouring out to suggest this is put on hold for a thorough independent investigation. That's unless you are potentially suicidal. Or don't care. I personally no longer care either way. If you trust it gets a booster.

I don't know anyone who has had a serious bad reaction, caught 'VAIDS' or any of the other vaccine induced conditions claimed to be happening all the time on this site

In fact I don't even know anyone who knows anyone.

This is consistent with the studies that show serious reactions to be very rare.

So on one side I have my own experience and the overwhelming weight of evidence.

On the other side I have conspiracy theorists posting bitchute videos that are repeatedly shown (as in this thread) to be making false claims.

What way is this going to go...

www.bbc.co.uk...

I think you need to closer look to the facts and a personal experience cannot usually validate a claim made. I will not discuss Infectious diseases, epidemiology, or vaccine damage in this thread. But vaccines can harm you regardless how remote this seems to many. The risk to benefit ratio is what one should consider and the risk group they belong to before making any decision.


Here is the story from the article above:



"A woman whose partner died after having an AstraZeneca jab has become the first person to receive compensation over a Covid vaccine death.

Vikki Spit's former rock singer fiancé Zion, 48, of Alston, Cumbria, fell ill eight days after he had his injection and died in May 2021.

She was awarded the maximum settlement of £120,000 but said it was not enough.

The 38-year-old said she had got into debt after losing Zion's earnings and should have had closer to £180,000.

Ms Spit also said she had to wait too long for compensation under the Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme 1979, and the amount had not kept track with inflation since the scheme was set up.

Vaccine damage payments available to anyone who has become disabled as a result of having a vaccination and people can also apply on behalf of someone who has died.

The scheme offers one-off, tax-free sums of up to £120,000 and while payments do not affect people's rights to take legal action, they can have implications for their benefits

Ms Spit called an ambulance for Zion when he began suffering "excruciating" headaches on 13 May last year and he died in Newcastle's Royal Victoria Infirmary six days later.


His death certificate confirmed he died due to complications from the vaccine

Not sure why you would think I would need to relook at the facts when they align with my personal experience.

Risk benefit ratio is exactly how we do look at who should take the vaccine and that is what the recommendations are based on.

You have said that you don't know anyone who has been injured by the vaccines and your personal experience is saying that it's the case.

Your personal experience is not adequate and surely from the case above not only someone was injured from the Astrazeneca Vaccine but he actually died from it.

Personal experiences are often weak evidence.

You don't have a personal experience and toy don't know anyone who knows anyone who have been injured from the vaccines. Imagine we use this as guidance when dealing with possible adverse reactions and injuries?

I said my personal experience and the personal experience of everyone I knows alligns with the data.

So why would I believe conspiracy theories that claim otherwise?

You are the one who posted a story about a single person's experience.

I am not the one who peddles conspiracy theories. The story I gave you it's a fact. Also personal experience isn't always a good guide.

I posted a story because you have implied there is nobody who has been injured due to vaccines as your...experience says so!

In principle you are implying that nobody has been injured. That's false as you can see.

I said the risk was very low. I have never in any thread say there was no risk.

In terms of guidance for coronavirus pandemics this is a thread that you might find useful which I created a few days ago.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Do you actually need a study, to see what's going on around you? There is enough evidence pouring out to suggest this is put on hold for a thorough independent investigation. That's unless you are potentially suicidal. Or don't care. I personally no longer care either way. If you trust it gets a booster.

I don't know anyone who has had a serious bad reaction, caught 'VAIDS' or any of the other vaccine induced conditions claimed to be happening all the time on this site

In fact I don't even know anyone who knows anyone.

This is consistent with the studies that show serious reactions to be very rare.

So on one side I have my own experience and the overwhelming weight of evidence.

On the other side I have conspiracy theorists posting bitchute videos that are repeatedly shown (as in this thread) to be making false claims.

What way is this going to go...

www.bbc.co.uk...

I think you need to closer look to the facts and a personal experience cannot usually validate a claim made. I will not discuss Infectious diseases, epidemiology, or vaccine damage in this thread. But vaccines can harm you regardless how remote this seems to many. The risk to benefit ratio is what one should consider and the risk group they belong to before making any decision.


Here is the story from the article above:



"A woman whose partner died after having an AstraZeneca jab has become the first person to receive compensation over a Covid vaccine death.

Vikki Spit's former rock singer fiancé Zion, 48, of Alston, Cumbria, fell ill eight days after he had his injection and died in May 2021.

She was awarded the maximum settlement of £120,000 but said it was not enough.

The 38-year-old said she had got into debt after losing Zion's earnings and should have had closer to £180,000.

Ms Spit also said she had to wait too long for compensation under the Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme 1979, and the amount had not kept track with inflation since the scheme was set up.

Vaccine damage payments available to anyone who has become disabled as a result of having a vaccination and people can also apply on behalf of someone who has died.

The scheme offers one-off, tax-free sums of up to £120,000 and while payments do not affect people's rights to take legal action, they can have implications for their benefits

Ms Spit called an ambulance for Zion when he began suffering "excruciating" headaches on 13 May last year and he died in Newcastle's Royal Victoria Infirmary six days later.


His death certificate confirmed he died due to complications from the vaccine

Risk benefit ratio is exactly how we do look at who should take the vaccine and that is what the recommendations are based on.

Do you though?

The entire UK vaccine program has been designed arouind relevant risk reduction since the start - It was only avaible to people at highest risk of Covid complications at the start and then over a period of several months it was offered to people at lower risk groups.

I think the boosters are no longer available to children unless they have numerous co-morbidity factors as healthy kids are at so low risk from Omicron and the evidence shows there's no longer a significant benefit to them.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

His death certificate confirmed he died due to complications from the vaccine

So, his death wasn't covered up, it was publicly acknowledged that the vax killed him, and the government paid out what is frankly an eyewatering amount of money in compensation?

I think that this right here puts pay to most of the conspiracies being peddled on this page.

I don't know whether you think £120,000 is an extremely high amount in terms of compensation. His partner as well as many others think the opposite.

I don't know what is peddled in this site. However there was a discussion about someone else's personal experience i.e he didn't know of anyone who was injured from the vaccine and didn't know anyone else who knew about vaccine injuries.

Clearly you can see that personal experience isn't always a good guide. It's weak evidence in some cases.

In what universe is £120K not a huge sum of money?

That's tax feee, I may add. So in real terms it's about £200K which is what the average person from the UK (Where this happened) earns in about 8 years.

That's a hands down payment, including an admission of liability.

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Do you actually need a study, to see what's going on around you? There is enough evidence pouring out to suggest this is put on hold for a thorough independent investigation. That's unless you are potentially suicidal. Or don't care. I personally no longer care either way. If you trust it gets a booster.

I don't know anyone who has had a serious bad reaction, caught 'VAIDS' or any of the other vaccine induced conditions claimed to be happening all the time on this site

In fact I don't even know anyone who knows anyone.

This is consistent with the studies that show serious reactions to be very rare.

So on one side I have my own experience and the overwhelming weight of evidence.

On the other side I have conspiracy theorists posting bitchute videos that are repeatedly shown (as in this thread) to be making false claims.

What way is this going to go...

www.bbc.co.uk...

I think you need to closer look to the facts and a personal experience cannot usually validate a claim made. I will not discuss Infectious diseases, epidemiology, or vaccine damage in this thread. But vaccines can harm you regardless how remote this seems to many. The risk to benefit ratio is what one should consider and the risk group they belong to before making any decision.


Here is the story from the article above:



"A woman whose partner died after having an AstraZeneca jab has become the first person to receive compensation over a Covid vaccine death.

Vikki Spit's former rock singer fiancé Zion, 48, of Alston, Cumbria, fell ill eight days after he had his injection and died in May 2021.

She was awarded the maximum settlement of £120,000 but said it was not enough.

The 38-year-old said she had got into debt after losing Zion's earnings and should have had closer to £180,000.

Ms Spit also said she had to wait too long for compensation under the Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme 1979, and the amount had not kept track with inflation since the scheme was set up.

Vaccine damage payments available to anyone who has become disabled as a result of having a vaccination and people can also apply on behalf of someone who has died.

The scheme offers one-off, tax-free sums of up to £120,000 and while payments do not affect people's rights to take legal action, they can have implications for their benefits

Ms Spit called an ambulance for Zion when he began suffering "excruciating" headaches on 13 May last year and he died in Newcastle's Royal Victoria Infirmary six days later.


His death certificate confirmed he died due to complications from the vaccine

Risk benefit ratio is exactly how we do look at who should take the vaccine and that is what the recommendations are based on.

Do you though?

The entire UK vaccine program has been designed arouind relevant risk reduction since the start - It was only avaible to people at highest risk of Covid complications at the start and then over a period of several months it was offered to people at lower risk groups.

I think the boosters are no longer available to children unless they have numerous co-morbidity factors as healthy kids are at so low risk from Omicron and the evidence shows there's no longer a significant benefit to them.

When they stopped the children's booster program a coupe of months back a bunch of people posted on this site that it was being withdrawn by the government for safety reasons, when it was merely deemed no longer to be nesessary.

This shows you how far ATS has descended over the last few years.