BRITAIN is messing the West up at a very vulnerable time

a reply to: McGinty

Afraid to say its been Blairite after Blairite, Starmer, Brown, Cameron, Clegg, Sunak Johnson.. all the same bar Truss and Corbyn..

and different is universally hated in the west..

but then Brexit was about breaking free of that technocratic straight jacket and was always going to end with one extreme or the other.

a reply to: Freeborn

in the same way Corbyn was trying to be trad labour, I'd have voted that labour not the technocrats in labour one we have Johnson was another technocrat..

to break free we where always going to end up in conflict with the technocrats..

originally posted by: glen200376
a reply to: BarbaraTheEnlightened1

Your friend have educational problems or are the problem,the limousine liberals and their woke degenerate ways

Brad is sensing a lot of frustration in you. He says that you have been very unlucky in love my dear and until you shed that anger the loneliness will continue. But perhaps you are correct, perhaps it was the woke and liberals who voted for Brexit.

a reply to: BarbaraTheEnlightened1

Brad is talking out of his non existent bottom, I'm afraid to have to tell you.

Brexit voters were not exactly either woke or liberal.

a reply to: nickyw

Corbyn and co were unelectable Socialist throwbacks.

Don't make me mention Diann.......Nurse! The screens!!!!!

a reply to: nickyw

Austerity was hardly 'Blairite'.
A policy continued by May and Johnson.

The ongoing stealthy programme of trying to gradually privatise the NHS isn't Blairite.

I guess it could be argued that some of Johnson's policies were Blairite, but they came to nothing.
Full of wind and piss - empty political rhetoric.

The EU is NWO garbage.

a reply to: Tarantula777

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

You insist on bringing Miss Abbot up at every opportunity.
I'm really beginning to think there is a deep subconscious yearning for her.

I hope Mrs Carpy isn't aware of this infatuation.

a reply to: Freeborn

I accept your points, how about I replace Blairite with technocrat as I guess working through it all that's what it down to, which places Blair as a another technocrat, and the ME conflicts as just more technocrat wars..

as for the NHS its become another technocratic entity if I'd have voted trad labour it'd be to a return to that and the spirit of 45.

a reply to: Freeborn

You utter......

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

that's the thing with breaking free, its about not following the technocratic herd which limits choice, at that point only 2 leaders looked like real contenders to do that it turns out the one voted in was just another technocrat.. Corbyn was certainly not that..

but I've always expected the UK would end in conflict with both US and EU over Brexit you can't challenge the current order and not, its why I tend to refer to what is happening as reformation like..

a reply to: nickyw

Not entirely sure the term 'technocrat' is the one I'd use but to be honest I can't offer an alternative.
I certainly understand the point your making and can't really disagree with the sentiment etc.

We need a modern day Attlee.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Ha ha ha.

I wonder if she ever found those matching shoes.

I wish CCG was still here; many others have returned and been given a 'second' chance.

a reply to: Freeborn

I agree but I'd add Gladstone as an alternative, both delivered change against a backdrop of a broken & corrupt world and remain proof it can be done.

I hope we find one or the other as the divisive nature of the current situation brings out my separatist streak, back to 70s Sussex making a universal declaration of independence, its strange how that stuff gets boxed up and forgotten but still lurks like a bad smell

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: BarbaraTheEnlightened1

Brad is talking out of his non existent bottom, I'm afraid to have to tell you.

Brexit voters were not exactly either woke or liberal.

How dare you speak about the dead that way!

a reply to: Freeborn

ccg?

give us a clue on that please mate.

a reply to: nickyw

Yes I get that as well mate.

I voted for The Northern Assembly back in the 2004 referendum.
The whole thing was a farce.

I support the idea of more devolved power for ALL the regions of the UK within some sort of Federal framework more passionately now than I ever did.

But I know I'm massively in the minority.

As you say; change can happen.
But its up to us to bring about that change....but the majority of people just want to get on with their lives the best they can under at all too often times immense pressure and circumstances completely out of their control or influence.
Food, roof, family.....and a few beers.

a reply to: BernnieJGato

the problem with this is many of the political, academic and media class in the UK think that too they think they can be the saviours of Europe..

if I was to look at privileged saviour complexes that's an old one worth studying going back to constative the great...

a reply to: nonspecific

A former member from the most south west county in England.
He started The Banter Cafe where we used to hang out and talk cod# to each other.

He was a mate, good craic.....but sometimes he just couldn't keep his mouth shut.

I lost his contact details somehow so have been unable to contact him for years.

a reply to: Freeborn

I knew we had more in common bar the beer, a fellow federalist.. got suckered into that with Blair while I thought he was doing good, but the federalism stuck..

As a new grandparent I really wish I didn't see war in our future it was bad enough growing up with the fearmongering in the 70s..

edit to add
forgot to add to your list, roof, food, heating, good education, doctors and treatment when needed..