China Building Canal to Irrigate Wasteland

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Apart from helping revive the economy, the project is expected to turn nearly 290,000 sq. miles (570,000 sq. km) of wasteland, the size of Chile, into arable land that will be used to grow wheat, rice, corn, beans, and other such crops. This could boost China's annual food output by 595 million tons (540 million tonnes), which is as much food as the U.S. currently produces.

lets consider the implications.

Much of the worlds is dependent on the USA for food. Selling food greatly helps the US economy.
China is a food importer. one reason for the late one-child policy is that they couldn't feed all the mouths.

could there long term goal be, to replace the USA as food producer? huge help for their economy, and leverage over other nations.

if they succeed in this, might they sabotage US farms and make the US (and the world) dependent on them?

I posted this yeserterday, but don't know why it was being deleted by the forum

China plans to build world's largest water canal from Three Gorges Dam to turn large swathe of wastelands in the north into farmlands​

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China can do what it wants at a cheap price because it's China and it does what it wants. Too many lawyers in the US and the rest of the world.

a reply to: ElGoobero

That's going to disrupt the weather in that area and surrounding areas.

a reply to: grey580

This one won't, but another one probably would. Red Flag River project diverting water from Tibet to Xinjiang deserts

Red Flag River is a new enormous inter-basin water diversion project in China. The project aims to annually divert 60 billion cubic meters of water from the major rivers in Qinghai-Tibet Plateau, including three transnational rivers (Mekong, Salween and Brahmaputra), to arid Xinjiang and other parts of northwest China.

Academics suggest that the Red Flag River is a 6,180-kilometer-long gravity flow water diversion system that seeks “to divert water from Tibet to turn Xinjiang into California.” This could be achieved by using the main channel to send water to southern Xinjiang, all way to Kashgar, while also following the Chunfeng River to divert an enormous quantity of water into the Turpan Basin and northern Xinjiang.

After completed, the irrigation water from the Red Flag River will be available to Xinjiang and also other arid northwestern provinces, including Gansu and Ningxia. Northwest China is the only water-thirsty region that has not benefited from China’s domestic construction of mega hydro-engineering projects, yet it is also where agricultural productivity is the country’s greatest if water is available.

The amount of water to be diverted to northwest China is more than the Yellow River’s annual discharge. This water is expected to create 200 million mu (13.3 million hectares) of arable land in Xinjiang and a 150,000 sq km oasis in northwest China.

Based on the initial assessment of this project, it should be built in 10 years, with investment of 4 trillion yuan (US $ 650 billion)， The real cost could be much higher though.

originally posted by: xizhimen
I posted this yeserterday, but don't know why it was being deleted by the forum

I knew I saw it on here somewhere!!!
thanks for the original post. I has no idea what happened to it.
hopefully ATS isn't in Beijing's pocket

alternate source on the Red Flag River project

thediplomat.com...

The Red Flag River Water Diversion Project Proposal (Red Flag River) is a new enormous inter-basin water diversion proposal in China. It is not an official project and has not received approval from the Chinese government; however, since the semi-official release of the proposal in November 2017 by the S4679 Research Group, it has attracted plenty of attention. The proposal aims to annually divert 60 billion cubic meters of water from the major rivers of the ecologically fragile Qinghai-Tibet Plateau, including three transnational rivers (Mekong, Salween, and Brahmaputra), to arid Xinjiang and other parts of northwest China.

As a transboundary project, the Red Flag River proposes to not only cross several provincial borders in China, but to also reduce the flow of these transnational rivers. This has has raised concern. How much more power could this project proposal give China, an upstream country and the regional hydro-hegemon, over many of Asia’s major rivers? So far, scholars in China have expressed various hydrological concerns over the Red Flag River, as has India, while the other downstream countries are yet to publicly speak about their concerns related to this project proposal.

there are previous accounts of China interfering with the rivers that go into India.

In transnational water conflicts, the most upstream nation may control the flow and majority of transboundary water resources, much to the detriment of the downstream nations that also depend on the same water resources. The more powerful riparian nation may also be able to use various political, economic, and military tools to govern relations with the less powerful neighboring nations. This can result in a major power imbalance in favor of the dominant nation, which controls the access to and quantity of water resources over smaller, weaker nations.

nobody wants to be dependent on China's generosity...


existing thread on China / rivers
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I really hate to think about what could happen to these and the Three Gorges and other projects
in event of major earthquake(s)

a reply to: ElGoobero

3 international rivers are involved in Tibet-Xinjiang water diversion project

water from the major rivers in Qinghai-Tibet Plateau, including three transnational rivers (Mekong, Salween and Brahmaputra), to arid Xinjiang and other parts of northwest China.

China had already finished one south north water project some years ago

english.scio.gov.cn...

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a reply to: xizhimen

If they pull off what is shown in that video it will be the most amazing feat of engineering ever achieved by humanity.

The mentor for Klaus Schwab and George Soros, evil man personified Henry Kissinger, has made statements throughout the years the appear to have been a roadmap that has directed our path to current times and events.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Some scientists say by changing the landscape of such a vast region , it will result in extreme weather conditions in surrounding regions and may permanently change the climate of this whole region.

It is strange that the other thread was removed. Last time I checked, there was nothing going on in it to get it removed.


I wonder how the gravity of the situation will change the land. Moving the weight of that much water that far will change the shape of the ground supporting it.

Is that dessert area capable of supporting that much water weight without sinking and becoming a lake?

a reply to: ElGoobero

IF and it's a big IF the governments of our nations really cared about our people and food security they could actually successfully make every single first world nation completely food self sufficient.

Here is how.

Take the time honoured skyscraper, instead of offices make the floors twice as high and the floors far stronger to hold more weight, put hydroponics farms in them, grow every type of crop from around the whole world from food to medicinal to flowers.

One medium sized city of these could feed tens of millions, save on farm land and make food cheaper in the long run.


But it has to be done by Government NOT by private company's or tendered subcontractors.


Our war is not with a nation as our enemy is even closer than China, it is corporate malfeasance in government and outright corruption and incompetence by our political elite.

We should be living in a bountiful age but instead we are slipping into a new dark ages.

Forced population control is NOT about saving the planet but only about keeping an elite in there illegitimate positions of power over us and China is as guilty of all of these as any western nation though perversely if any nation is ever going to create true vertical farms like this it will probably be them or perhaps the Saudi's.

a reply to: LABTECH767

And how exactly are you going to build that many buildings?

I found this food land use estimate site and it estimates 5.3 acres per person to feed that person each year.

Now granted, while indoor year-round growing will reduce this area quite a lot, I don't see enough floor space to grow food for the building occupants at roughly around 2 acres per person. Much less grown any extra for feeding anyone outside the building.

That is the problem with most long range spaceship designs that grow their food. They will have to be huge gardens supporting tiny crews.

originally posted by: xizhimen
I posted this yeserterday, but don't know why it was being deleted by the forum.

I saw a few of your threads. My guess is that it had to do with copy/pasting from other websites/forums without proper citations or consent.

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originally posted by: beyondknowledge
a reply to: LABTECH767

And how exactly are you going to build that many buildings?

I found this food land use estimate site and it estimates 5.3 acres per person to feed that person each year.

Now granted, while indoor year-round growing will reduce this area quite a lot, I don't see enough floor space to grow food for the building occupants at roughly around 2 acres per person. Much less grown any extra for feeding anyone outside the building.

That is the problem with most long range spaceship designs that grow their food. They will have to be huge gardens supporting tiny crews.

Some very good point's, make it hydroponics and you grow between 2 to 8 times as much per year and of course I never said anyone living in the building over than people working there to grow the crop's which with automated systems and irrigation would only be checking the health of the crop and of course food grown like this is mostly free or pests.

Imagine skyscrapers with these type of farms on each floor NOT office and NOT homes but farm's and that is what the skyscraper's are for in the vertical farm model.

I am not talking turning the floors into fields though that would be cool and great just not efficient.


Take this and put in artificial lighting, put it on multiple floors and? (20 times the production per acre).