Yesterday Russia signed a deal on Uktaine Grain exports - Today they bombed Odesa sea trade port

originally posted by: Thrumbo
There must've been intel on some of them western weapons being in the port, despite the fact that the sea is utterly littered with mines.

So why wouldn’t the Ruskies just say
“We attacked weapons in the port” rather than deny they attacked the report
Where is the proof, images, evidence

a reply to: Raggedyman

So why wouldn’t the Ruskies just say
“We attacked weapons in the port” rather than deny they attacked the report
Where is the proof, images, evidence

Because the agreement is they don't attack the port.

a reply to: gortex

Because the agreement is they don't attack the port.

Are you claiming that Russia agreed to let Ukraine station military hardware at the port and they will not attack it?

That is really dumb and I don't believe they would make an agreement like that.

Of course, if you have a copy of the agreement where that is stated I will have to eat crow.

"Those that understand the world through MSM headlines are fools"

a reply to: Grimpachi

Are you claiming that Russia agreed to let Ukraine station military hardware at the port and they will not attack it?

No , I'm claiming the agreement was they don't hit the port and they did.

That is really dumb and I don't believe they would make an agreement like that.

The Russian and Ukrainian sides will also withhold attacks on any of the commercial vessels or ports engaged in the initiative to transport vital grain, while UN and Turkish monitors will be present in Ukrainian ports in order to demarcate areas protected by the agreement.
www.aljazeera.com...

"Those that understand the world through MSM headlines are fools"

Those who make assumptions about others are fools , as those who ignore the facts are blind.

First they deny , then they admit ..

Russia struck military boat in Odesa with cruise missiles - foreign ministry says

a reply to: Kenzo

Thanks for the confirmation , Kenzo.

Standard fare from Russia.

a reply to: gortex

So what you are showing me is that your information is 2nd or third hand and you assume that military targets would not be touched. For some reason you think that the entire port is off limits and Ukraine can park any military equipment there and use the grain as a shield.



Nothing blew up in the port terminal where grain was stored. Nothing that is used to transport grain blew up.

The grain is stored in Khlebnaya Gavan (the Brooklyn-Kyiv terminal the explosions occurred in Zavodskaya Gavan (at the bottom of the map), where Ukrainian military boats are located.





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Military targets are still military targets. Park a warship there or a missile defense system there and it will still be targeted. Russia wouldn't give them a safe harbor for military equipment. I am sure it isn't a simple agreement that can be summed up in 'the entire port is a safe zone for anything.' Further down is where they serviced what they had of a Navy. Why on earth would you assume that would be off limits if warships are parked there?

I am sure the entire agreement is contingent on what military presence in the port. I am pretty sure that Ukraine tested it and lost.
Then the reports flooded out that the grain was hit "a lie."

well well well, after a quick search

>Our source explains why the Russians hit the tugboat and military boats with missiles in the port of Odessa right now, after signing the grain case in Istanbul?

>Yesterday they began to disperse the message that the grain case is allegedly insurance of the Odessa region against offensive and missile strikes. The entire elite in Odessa immediately exhaled, and the military began to think about how to use this "insurance" for their own purposes.
Today, the Russians have destroyed this myth by hinting that if they suspect something and fix it, they will immediately strike at "military and related facilities." They don't care about the reaction of the West now. In fact, they don't even think about it now (by the way, the West created it itself when it immediately blamed the Russian Federation for any abandoned fake. Now the Russian Federation, the opinion of the West is not interested).

t.me...

Odesa: in a rocket attack on the port of Odesa, apparently the armored amphibious assault boat "Malin" (Centaur class) was destroyed including several other vessels. The Ukrainian Republic of Moldova owns only one other boat of this class named "Stanislav"

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a reply to: gortex

Here is picture from Maria Zakharova Telegram :





The telegram channel run by google translate :

Maria Zakharova Telegram

Maria Vladimirovna Zakharova (Russian: Мария Владимировна Захарова; born 24 December 1975) is the Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation[2] (Spokeswoman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation)

Maria Zakharova Wiki

a reply to: Grimpachi

Nothing is as it seems in Ukraine. I found this interesting snippet by an analyst who thinks that Zelensky is about to get wasted, as at a meeting of spooks the CIA man said he feared for his life. The reason given is that after the last city in the fortified part of Ukraine is taken. There is nothing but cow country to the borders of Poland so Zelensky's only purpose left is to be a martyr, and they will blame Russia. Which will leave Ukraine in chaos. Interesting view if it pans out.www.bitchute.com...

As far as I understand, the Russian Ministry of Defense recognizes strikes on the military infrastructure of the Odessa port.

Attack launched by high-precision long-range sea-based missiles has resulted in the elimination of Ukrainian military ship and a depot of Harpoon anti-ship missiles delivered by USA to the Kiev regime in the seaport of Odessa. The list of neutralised targets also includes the production facilities of an entity specialised in repairing and modernising the fleet of Ukrainian Navy.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Grimpachi

So what you are showing me is that your information is 2nd or third hand and you assume that military targets would not be touched.

Assumptions you say.

I am sure the entire agreement is contingent on what military presence in the port. I am pretty sure that Ukraine tested it and lost.

What you are showing me is your desperation to make excuses for the aggressor in this conflict , as Russia's lies are par for the course in this war so are your excuses for their actions.

Pretty sure when they Nuke Florida you'll have a good excuse for that too.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: gortex

Turkey deny that charge.
Looks Like Ukrainians are learning something from what the US taught the Syrian rebels in Syria how to wag the dog.

So now Russia has admitted the attack on the port it seems Russia also lied to Turkey and in fact your dog being wagged by the Russian tail.

Keep believing what Russia tells you and you'll keep falling in the same hole.

If anyone was likely trying to target it that would be the Ukrainians trying to blame the Russians while currently using the newly acquired missiles.

a reply to: glen200376
a reply to: stosh64

How many people on here can't read!

I said the the BBC was CLOSER to a balanced news out COMPARED to most!!
I bet you get most of your news from facebook, youtube or Fox and CNN and think thats real.....

but in my opinion the BBC is closer to a balanced news outlet compared to most.

a reply to: Kurokage

Reading is one thing comprehension is a different matter.

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: TwistedPsycho
a reply to: turretless

Link works here... Sky News

Here is what I got.

here is what I got.
www.foxnews.com...

Russia claims responsibility for missile strike on Ukrainian port city 1 day after agreeing to allow exports

but you can't trust those damn Russians, they always lie.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Grimpachi

Nothing is as it seems in Ukraine. I found this interesting snippet by an analyst who thinks that Zelensky is about to get wasted, as at a meeting of spooks the CIA man said he feared for his life. The reason given is that after the last city in the fortified part of Ukraine is taken. There is nothing but cow country to the borders of Poland so Zelensky's only purpose left is to be a martyr, and they will blame Russia. Which will leave Ukraine in chaos. Interesting view if it pans out.www.bitchute.com...

A lot of things have happened recently that make me think that Zelensky may change his tune soon.

It is no secret that the right-wing militias had threatened his life on several occasions if he gave any ground to Russia.

Just recently he fired lots of senior officials. Some of them were charged with conspiring with Russia but it could be just the opposite and they were part of the right-wing.
Ihor Kolomoyskyi the guy who funded Azov and called himself the godfather to the presidency has had his citizenship revoked so he can't return to Ukraine.

The right-wing militias have been decimated several times over. On the 16th the Aidar battalion was hit hard. Out of a convoy with 250 soldiers only 12 survived to be captured.
Russia has been hammering right-wing bases with missiles to kill their leadership.

The revoking of citizenship and the change in command came when Zelenskys wife was in the US. Before that, she was in the same country as Kolomoyskyi supposedly for her safety. I personally think she was being held as a sort of hostage by Kolomoyskyi and his people.

Zelensky has to know that they have no chance of taking back the territories they lost. The so called Kherson offensive is mostly propaganda. They have tried several times to break through but have been beaten back time and time again with heavy losses.

I have read from some analysts that Ru soldiers have mostly withdrawn and are resting while the forces holding the lines now are made up of LPR/DPR, Chechens, and mercenaries. When it starts up again and they take Donbas that is going to be the end for UA. Zelensky is going to have to compromise and he is getting rid of the elements in command that would kill him when he does.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Listen the agreement says PARTS OF THE PORT ARE OFF LIMITS. It does not say the entire port. the Ukes were in a non protected part with a non civilian ship. By how in(accurate) those missiles are they might need to pick better targets.
A tugboat...WOW super ultra dangerous weapon there!

originally posted by: turretless

Is there any other proof?

In your mind Russia is good, everyone else is bad, so you need zero proof of anything Russia says while basically saying all posted against Russia is false.

There is no debate with you here as you are 100% one sided in all of this as Russia can do no wrong in your eyes.

originally posted by: Grimpachi

Zelensky has to know that they have no chance of taking back the territories they lost. The so called Kherson offensive is mostly propaganda. They have tried several times to break through but have been beaten back time and time again with heavy losses.

I have read from some analysts that Ru soldiers have mostly withdrawn and are resting while the forces holding the lines now are made up of LPR/DPR, Chechens, and mercenaries. When it starts up again and they take Donbas that is going to be the end for UA. Zelensky is going to have to compromise and he is getting rid of the elements in command that would kill him when he does.

Russian analysts? Do you not think they can take back their land? How many Russian lives is Putin willing to sacrificed to keep it. So when do you think Russia wins? In a month or so, or Putin wins by Winter? Next Spring, 2024, 2030?

a reply to: gortex

What you are showing me is your desperation to make excuses for the aggressor in this conflict , as Russia's lies are par for the course in this war so are your excuses for their actions

Pretty sure when they Nuke Florida you'll have a good excuse for that too.

The aggressor, the aggressor, Russian lies.

Blah blah blah.

You really seem worried about being nuked which probably means your stance is based on fear.

It is funny that you really thought UA could get away with using the grain as a shield. It is their MO to use things like that as shields. Usually, they use their citizens.

If you were not in a constant fear response you would be going after your government for pushing Russia to this point. It was their Liberal World Order crap and the insistence that Ukraine could join NATO that crossed a very large and clear red line with Russia. This conflict was the most warned about foreseen conflict in modern history.

One that most experts agree would have never happened if it wasn't for the constant push of NATO expansion.