Clearing up an old musicians name

Not coming with evidence today, but a narrative, that has been built over the last decade.

I'm here to attempt to clear up Michael Jacksons name. 13 years ago after Michael Jackson died, without knowing what we know now, we closed the case and moved on. A lot of people still think of him as a pedophile and because so much time passed, its become cut and done, no one bothered to go back, realistically, it probably fell out of a lot of our minds. I always maintained his innocence (without proof), just as much as they accuse (without proof).

So what narrative am I talking about? Well, the weaponization of the intelligence agencies of course.

What was the FBI's relationship with Epstein?

What was Epsteins "Role"? The blackmailer?

Did the FBI plant child porn on Sharyl Attkisson's husbands computer?

Also:
"Nxivm leader Keith Raniere claims FBI planted child porn on his hard drive "

The metadata of the photos, Tully claimed, were manually altered to make the images appear like they had been produced in 2005, when the subject of the photos was 15. “The backup folder … where the contraband photographs were placed has all the hallmarks of fraud,” the attorney wrote in the court document.

Gun running to the drug cartels, including full collaboration with the cartels.

Brought down a presidency, overlooking establishment/for-establishment (riots) crimes.

The FBI refused to investigate Biden to appear nonpartisan/conflicts of interest during 2020. But now it's open season on any political opponent to the establishment?

Tulsi is a Russian stooge. Trump is worse than that, a SOVIET stooge. "Me too", lets teach our kids about masturbation. "Pedophelia is just a sexual preference"
Is pedophilia a sexual orientation?

Media spin, bias, "fact checkers", narratives...

Questionable moments:
Seth Rich - FBI vehicle burglary with guns stolen 2 hours before the murder 10 blocks away from the scene in DC.
FBI Report

Do we all still believe Michael Jackson was a child abuser?

First case:

While Jordan's mother initially told police that she did not believe Jackson had molested him, her position wavered a few days later.[193][194] Evan was recorded discussing his intention to pursue charges, which Jackson used to argue that he was the victim of a jealous father trying to extort money.[194] Jackson's older sister La Toya accused him of being a pedophile;[195] she later retracted this, saying she had been forced into it by her abusive husband.

Second case:

Beginning in May 2002, a documentary film crew led by Martin Bashir followed Jackson for several months.[250] The documentary, broadcast in February 2003 as Living with Michael Jackson, showed Jackson holding hands and discussing sleeping arrangements with a 12-year-old boy.[23][260] He said that he saw nothing wrong with having sleepovers with minors and sharing his bed and bedroom with various people, which aroused controversy. He insisted that the sleepovers were not sexual and that his words had been misunderstood.

Would this be the first time the media actually had the correct context? Has anyone heard the interview/documentary in question? Are we ASSUMING what was said by the same media we .... believe ... today?

We can disagree, I just thought I would rehash this memory in some of your minds to force you to draw a final conclusion 13 years later knowing what we know now.

I always felt like his mind never evolved beyond childhood, therefore he could only relate to and have relationships with children. His abuse as a child was BRUTAL, it's possible there was some physical and psychological damage to his brain.

I don't think he would have ever hurt anyone, especially a child. I do have a friend who was close friends with him, and he says Michael would NEVER.

a reply to: LordAhriman

I'm inclined to think the same.

Michael's childhood was stolen from him by his abusive father.

I dont't think people truly understand that at 6 years old, he was beaten, brutalised, to be the star his father wanted him to be.

I can understand he never grew up, emotionnally.

Michael Jackson was an incredible penciler. I saw one of his drawing...

It still breaks my heart thinking about that haunting drawing he made.

It was him, at maybe 5 or 6 years old, sitting in a fetal position, in a corner, looking totally mortified...

Here it is...

originally posted by: LordAhriman
I always felt like his mind never evolved beyond childhood, therefore he could only relate to and have relationships with children. His abuse as a child was BRUTAL, it's possible there was some physical and psychological damage to his brain.

I don't think he would have ever hurt anyone, especially a child. I do have a friend who was close friends with him, and he says Michael would NEVER.

I mean a portrayal of his life through the lens of the media? Perhaps he was damaged. Maybe an attempt to save children instead of unevolved? I don't know for sure. What would you do as the most well known man in the world, with a lot of money and a mind for creative works?

In reality, the man was a father of 3, who owned an amusement park. And the media would have us believe he never grew up, when in reality, he could have been one of the best dads in the world. What dad buys their kids an amusement park? One with a lot of money and fame..

I'm just having trouble where you assume these narratives that were clearly portrayed in the media 13 years ago....I remember....

originally posted by: JimmyNeutr0n
In reality, the man was a father of 3, who owned an amusement park. And the media would have us believe he never grew up, when in reality, he could have been one of the best dads in the world. What dad buys their kids an amusement park? One with a lot of money and fame..

The media would have us believe that he was a pedophile. I don't think he was.

He probably was one of the best dads in the world. He used his fame and fortune to give kids the childhood and happiness that he never had.

Jackson was too famous, too beloved.
Somebody was jealous and afraid of him.
I never bought the stories, the tabloids had long been known to be vicious.
The allegations never seemed proved to me and Michael's death looked to be more like murder.
No need to clear his name with me, it was never besmirched.
Funny thing I hated him as a kid, I was jealous and he had a very high voice that was annoying "A B C!"
Never idolized him and later learned to appreciate the extent of his talents which were considerable.
The consummate entertainer, singer and dancer.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

I've had a few patients here and there with the mentation of a child. Literal 50 somethings with the mindset of a 6 year old, or 8 year old. This was probably what Jackson experienced. He was denied a fruitful childhood, dealt with abuse, power, fame, trauma, probable sexual abuse and victimization and just the targeting that comes along with fame. In my own opinion, people in that category don't have it within themselves to victimize others, not without an exceptionally rare added issue.

Michael was innocent.

On top of all that, there was weird stuff going on with the lawyers involved etc. Check out the three video series on youtube by Rageaholic.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Nothing you say will convince me he is not a pedo.
A grown ass man sleeping with little kids who do not belong to him...that alone is enough to show me he was a nasty f'd up perv.

originally posted by: LordAhriman
I always felt like his mind never evolved beyond childhood, therefore he could only relate to and have relationships with children. His abuse as a child was BRUTAL, it's possible there was some physical and psychological damage to his brain.

I don't think he would have ever hurt anyone, especially a child. I do have a friend who was close friends with him, and he says Michael would NEVER.

I have friends in the music business and out in LA.
They believe beyond a shadow of a doubt he was a perv pedo.
Whether or not he was abused is zero excuse for his lifestyle with other people's kids.

Amazing how people are willing to give him a pass.....
If it had been some regular dude that had no fame sleeping in beds with other people's kids...so on and so forth - all of yall naysayers would sing a different tune.

originally posted by: shaemac
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Nothing you say will convince me he is not a pedo.
A grown ass man sleeping with little kids who do not belong to him...that alone is enough to show me he was a nasty f'd up perv.

Hear hear my brother, I appreciate you giving your opinion in this topic none the less.

As for the whisper game in the music industry, already tainted minds to the fact, so what are they reassuring? The narrative? Or their TRUE personal belief of being with him other than being an extremely "pleasant" person, which is a far cry from being called a pedophile without a strong foundation to build those claims upon. Would you be willing to expand on those beliefs you heard from your friends and why they felt that was true?

I'm not necessarily attempting to give anyone a "pass". I believe in innocence until proven guilty as my foundation, and my personal dog in the game is I adore Jackson for his creativity, his innocence and his pure absolute love. And this is coming from an objective person... (me; and most people on ATS I would assume)

If the entire Louvre (not a threat, just a point) set on fire and destroyed all the paintings (and no one died), I wouldn't lose an ounce of sleep over it...

a reply to: Iconic

I definitely want to check those out. I'll watch/conume both sides of the story as far as it goes for Michael Jackson.

I'm aware there was a little malpractice between his doctor too which lead to his death...? I may not have the facts correct, it's been a while since I went over the topic. Thank you for the spark

originally posted by: LordAhriman
He probably was one of the best dads in the world. He used his fame and fortune to give kids the childhood and happiness that he never had.

Exactly! Which is why I question the narrative you would suggest that he "never grew up", which was a particular narrative that was built in the media.

Ready for this?

The boy who never grew up: Michael Jackson, 1958-2009

Jackson: the boy who never grew up

Michael Jackson wanted to be Peter Pan

Even recently, they want to keep the memory alive just as I want to keep the memory alive:

michael jackson childhood peter pan syndrome - 2019

Lets not act like we didn't just sit through the Johnny Depp v. Amber Turd trial and watch Amber Turd say America looks at Johnny Depp as Eddy Scissorhands... No, he's obviously a drug induced journalist attempting to cover the motorcross event, with, who I would argue, is a better lawyer than Saul himself.