The POLICE need a different working environment and culture

Although I am an alternative living person I have great respect for law and order. I have always wanted to do the right thing and not cause problems for anyone else, keeping the peace and keeping order therefore. I don't go on any demonstrations and never have done. I don't do political rallies. I don't like taking anything to the street. It seems kind of vulgar and throwing it in the face of everyone else as I see it. I guess that's my modern sensibility of giving freedom and privacy to myself and everyone else.

We need the police. I notice the defunding is starting to happen. I did not think America would go that far. It is happening in one of the worst states for crime areas too. We can now see if the police were the problem or whether it is the state's social situation. I do worry about corruption in the police force. It is endemic and always has been if you check history. It is the gangster's greatest ally to have a corrupt cop, politician or judge on the payroll.

Crime is making millions if not billions for some people in our world. Corruption is a much worse destroyer than even Putin can be for democracies. I am sure I do not need to write you a long list of why that is. The health of our police reflects the health of our societies as much as crime. It is here we get the most informative demonstration of who we are as a state and a society.

I want to believe in the police. I want to believe that a woman in trouble can trust them 100%. I want to believe that a black man can be confident he will be treated with lawful conduct, even as a criminal. We should put much more effort into researching ways of handling weapons so we can deal with the situation without it being deadly for either cop or gangster.

Drones could really help. I think the cops should send in drones to assess the situation first instead of having to face unknowns and react with fight or flight instincts that are not generally as effective as considered conscious strategy. Huge mistakes often happen. From the vehicle the cops could have a drone operator and high res' screen, et c.

Cops don't need to have such different cloting as uniforms to the public. This alienates them much and identifies them as a target. It may help identify them instantly as a cop too for other cops, but it really does add to the stress to have to stick out so much and be treated so differently the second you put a uniform on. It loses you your individuality and you become the culture of the work place. It dehumanizes and that is the last thing we should encourage in our police officers. All they need is just a small identifier that can be visible. With all the tech we have they can know where all their deployed colleagues are very easily. Constant radio and wifi contact is easy.

Once these stress factors decrease, with proper supervision, with proper nurturing and encouragement, with the public on their side, knowing they don't have to walk into a deadly situation without intelligence, not being such a visible target and criminals knowing that the drone is watching them and knowing that the police are not going to try to kill them instantly, all these would make a huge difference.

The police have a public image problem with just about everyone. They are very alienated and culturally separated. Their culture has not been consciously measured until recently. It is not just about money and funding. It is about ideas of interaction. It is about nurturing the culture and forming a relationship with the public. They were meant to be a good thing for us. They are a good thing. They need our attention, public and government.

Let's open it all up and see what is inside now. I know we can do much better, especially in America and Britain. We both have serious police problems that are making us all very vulnerable to crime. We are not being protected properly.

we need entire police departments to walk off the job in cities that wish to defund them. Until they see first hand what the repercussions of their actions will bring, they will continue to be drooling idiots.

I remember hearing the leader of one of the protests explain his position quite clearly. "we don't want no mo police".
Give the people what they want. And hire the best of the best in all those cities that treat police with respect and honor.

a reply to: Tarantula777

It is possible the Local Police infrastructure in the USA is being purposefully destabilized so that it can be replaced with a Fully Federal Police Force.

Essentially a Militarized Federal Police force, Much like you would find in most Socialist countries .

The Government needs police they cannot keep order without them.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: Tarantula777

It is possible the Local Police infrastructure in the USA is being purposefully destabilized so that it can be replaced with a Fully Federal Police Force.

Essentially a Militarized Federal Police force, Much like you would find in most Socialist countries .

The Government needs police they cannot keep order without them.

I really hope you are not right. The same thing is starting to happen in the UK. The police are hardly solving any burglaries in half the UK. They don't respond to all violent situations, too.

It would be miserable if things had gotten so bad the only way of handling it was to make an army to protect law and order that is oppressive to the public, but protects the elite class.

How horrible I even have to use those words still: "elite class"!!!

a reply to: Tarantula777

Don't take umbrage at my observation that somehow this is one of the more "tortured" OP's I've read. I think the problem is you are trying to make too many points in one OP? Not sure.

Anyway, you need to understand that as far as the Elite Rulers are concerned, Police are just a problem all the way round and are really, anymore superflous. High crime rates are the goal, not the problem. The higher the crime rate, the more people are killed. It's kinda like post-birth abortion. Fewer people, less pollution.

Also.......the atmosphere of chaos that doing away with the police is seen by the Ruling Elites as a "good thing". Not exactly sure why, but that's how they see it.

So quit worrying about the Police; they're a thing of a distant past at this point. For one thing, no one wants to be a City Cop anyway.......unless they're an idiot.

I have said this a number of times that the police and local Goverment mirror the social environment they work and live in. If it is a dysfunctional area the police will be hard with zero tolerance or care just like the population they work in is. As example, you all remember the 16 yearold in the hood boy playing with an airsoft for like an hour when the police rolled up and shot him dead within 2 seconds? In my area if my kids were out front with airsofts and the police rolled up the cop wouldn't even get out of the car and say you better not shoot any windows or you will be in trouble, big difference, but then one is a gang infested crap hole and the other is not.

a reply to: TonyS

The OP is not meant to be too specific. It is meant to be a conversation starter. I am trying to say that the governments and the voters and not using their heads. The elite class are not using their heads. Nobody seems to be using their heads right now.

There are a million improvements we could make. Most would not even cost anything as such and would ultimately save money. Insurance, courts, compensation, all these expenses could be less if we get things right.

The worst thing you can do is to give up. If you give up it means YOU HAVE LOST. Do you want to lose? I don't and that is why I do not give up.

Don't give up. If we are constantly vulnerable to violence and crime we can't say we are free. They are the worst jailers of all. They make our lives a prison of fear and anxiety.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Yep! I am seeing it the same as you pretty much. We will only get anywhere with all this if we give it the attention it needs. Without law and order only the most violent thrive. It is the nastiest male lion of all who gets the lion's share of all and the pride is ruled by a deadly alpha dictator. Even gangs have law and order. That is their law and order. That will be our law and order too if we lose our protection. It will creep into everything as that is where the dollar will be stashing itself most.

a reply to: Tarantula777

Drones could really help. I think the cops should send in drones to assess the situation first

They already do that in many instances, and more drones + operators are constantly being added.

Cops don't need to have such different cloting as uniforms to the public.

I would pity the poor cops trying to break up a street fight or stop a riot; they'd be the first ones to be beaten to a pulp, and shot by all the carrying members in the crowd if they dared to pull their weapon.
Some people still respect authority figures; without the uniform identifying them they just become another target/victim.

a reply to: Tarantula777

UK Police forces have been under-funded for quite some time now.....unsurprisingly predominantly by the party of Law and Order, The Conservatives.
They rely far too much on plastic coppers who in reality have very little power at all.

In addition they pander far too much to politicians and their various agendas.

They are dictated to by the current in vogue hypersensitivities that are ruining this country whilst at the same time public confidence in them is at an all time low due to a constant stream of failings.

As with many things in the UK our police need a thorough overhaul including eradicating many of the old systemic abuses of power that have contributed to the complete lack of faith people have in them.

I'm not sure why but there does seem to be a concerted effort to undermine the effectiveness of our police and possibly even their role within society.

a reply to: Tarantula777

While your post is interesting it belies your unfamiliarity with the job.

Drones? There isn't the time. Uniforms? Necessary to properly identify oneself.

What else have you got?

There are many things that police departments can do to make things better but it will definitely cost money.

That said, we have a cultural problem in the USA. Too much disrespect, hate, and violence. Until that is fixed, nothing will change.

I saw the writing on the wall in 2014 and started planning my exit from law enforcement. Finally got out at the end of 2017 and it was the best decision I have ever made.

Every person that has asked me about joining law enforcement I always advise them against it. I do encourage them to seek out a different point of view from mine, but I will never tell anyone I think it's a good career to get into.

originally posted by: Tarantula777
a reply to: TonyS

The OP is not meant to be too specific. It is meant to be a conversation starter. I am trying to say that the governments and the voters and not using their heads. The elite class are not using their heads. Nobody seems to be using their heads right now.

There are a million improvements we could make. Most would not even cost anything as such and would ultimately save money. Insurance, courts, compensation, all these expenses could be less if we get things right.

The worst thing you can do is to give up. If you give up it means YOU HAVE LOST. Do you want to lose? I don't and that is why I do not give up.

Don't give up. If we are constantly vulnerable to violence and crime we can't say we are free. They are the worst jailers of all. They make our lives a prison of fear and anxiety.

I agree with you. But I haven't given up. I have simply accepted the idea of cities being violent, crime ridden hellscapes. Which is why I don't live in a City. I don't think we even need cities except as laboratories for operation of Darwinism. The smart and productive are leaving the cities. Thus, the cities function perfectly to cull the population of useless eaters. And, it does save money. The violent are released without bail within 24 hours to kill and be killed. US cities function as the new, more efficient version of the Gulag without the expense of the guards.

To change the police culture im guessing you need to loook at who runs the citys and start there.

Mayor lightfoot for example. I'm guessing there is more corrupt cops there than Florida.

a reply to: Tarantula777

a reply to: Tarantula777

I'm getting tired of repeating myself, but...

How about enforcing current laws to their maximum extent? Until current laws are enforced, nothing will change.

One should need an associates degree before getting accepted onto the police force then have a period of time 2-4 years after initial acceptance to complete another 2 year bachelors with a focus on law and ethics.

That is great start into changing the culture of the pigs that are the current law in The US.