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Evidence Discovered at the Azovstal Plant of Foreign Mercenaries Killed and Burned by UA Forces

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posted on Jun, 26 2022 @ 08:53 PM
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originally posted by: Brotherman

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: Brotherman

originally posted by: everyone
a reply to: Brotherman




No one is filing off serial numbers from weapons that would take an eternity.


It really only takes but a minute *shrugs


Thats a lie, I am a machinist and a welder, I have a lot of experience in using files. I would love for you to demonstrate how easy it is to use a file to remove a stamped or engraved feature off of another metal surface?


You don't need to be a machinist to know how to file off a serial number.

I am really doubting you are being on the up and up now.

Again, I will say it. Filing off a stamped number is difficult. Filling of an engraved one isn't. It isn't rocket science and people do it a lot more often than you think.

Hell, using a metal file is something I learned to do in high school machine class. It doesn't take skill ormuch know-how to file down a surface.


It takes a long time to file off .015" by hand, it takes even longer to take a part a broken weapon to file off anything and then more time to put them back together. If they did take the retarded amount of time to do such a thing then the filmography would be more then happy to show off the shiny spots on the destroyed weapon were their used to be a number, further even then a bit of acid would probably show that number clear as day.

Hand filing off any kind of feature like that is a very laborious task.


Dude, stop trying to BS me. I know my weapons. I build them.

It does not take any time at all to disassemble them or reassemble them. A complete novice could disassemble an AR or berritt 50 cal in minutes.

The fact that you even think a person would need to disassemble one to file off the number sends my BS detector screaming.

I have already stated that US weapons have the lower receiver in 90% plus cases serialized. That is the part that is officially the gun. The serial number is on the outside in plain view.

Berritt 50 cals are manufactured in the US not overseas so there is no need to go into whatever the regulations may be in other countries.



posted on Jun, 26 2022 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf

originally posted by: Guyfriday
So between this and the foreign fighters being sent to the northern border before getting shot, kind of tells everyone that Zelensky was asking for bodies to just kill. Looks like that President of Ukraine and all those world leaders that support him are War Criminals.


And IF actual evidence is found prosecute them, but until verifiable evidence is found its still just propaganda.

There is always evidence, just a matter of it being found.


Yeah, it could be complete BS.

It could also be true. There is no way to know unless there is an actual investigation.

It would take more than a few days to do. Until they can show more than what was in the video I will remain skeptical but if they do present more evidence then I won't be surprised.

Of course, I fully expect that even if DNA, full identification and if they were able to trace a weapon back to the person on the card there will be some that refuse to accept it.

Tracing the weapon would require cooperation with the US. I don't think that would happen.

Just saying that even if they could it wouldn't be enough for some.



posted on Jun, 26 2022 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: Brotherman

originally posted by: everyone
a reply to: Brotherman




No one is filing off serial numbers from weapons that would take an eternity.


It really only takes but a minute *shrugs


Thats a lie, I am a machinist and a welder, I have a lot of experience in using files. I would love for you to demonstrate how easy it is to use a file to remove a stamped or engraved feature off of another metal surface?


Im a machinist as well man. Its a pretty quick job with an 90 degree die grinder.

I dont think the term "filing" is appropriate or accurate. However, there are different grits of files if one wanted to actually do it.



posted on Jun, 26 2022 @ 09:07 PM
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IF this is proven true, how would the western world ever hear about it? MSM? Even if it did air, it would be billed as more Russian propaganda. Everybody is 99.9% backing Ukraine already, so it wouldn't change anything.



posted on Jun, 26 2022 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra




I am addressing the bs claim that Ukrainians murdered foreign volunteers

No more BS claims than with the likes of MSM claiming that Russia would be out of Troops or Weapons or that their morale is low since June 22 MSM had being saying this.

I can see the G7 nations are meeting again with more sanctions that only seem impacting European nations and Asian countries.





As I said it is an attempt by Russian to drive a wedge between Ukraine and the US in hopes the US will abandon Ukraine

Sorry to disappoint but Russia is very unlikely to withdraw or leave Eastern Provinces at any point soon. And considering how these sanctions are hurting both Europe and the US economically the US abandon Ukraine at some point.
Trying to pull a Afghanistan in Ukraine on Russia is not going to work in their own backyard.


They are truly hoping that the sanctions that they imposed on Russia it would make the Russian dissent in the streets yeah? how has that worked out well in Syria? Iran had being helping Syria fully from the war in some areas.


China is allied over with Russia on this issue for a reason.

China understands Russia's strategic importance Russia's decision on Ukraine as China sets its eyes on Taiwan.

Russia isn't the one building an empire with 800 bases spread the whole world. With a debt of 30 Trillion and rising.
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posted on Jun, 26 2022 @ 09:27 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

amusing you are obsessed with the Russian mercenaries while ignore that the American mercenaries had being in Ukraine since 2014.

Its a wonder why the far right groups in Ukraine were bragging about Canada and US supporting them in Ukraine.


The US/G7 are risking the tensions by further provoking the Russians.
This is why Russia had respond in Ukraine and Turkey agrees with Russia on this.



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posted on Jun, 26 2022 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

G7 Nations had being useless on the Libyan crisis which is still ongoing for the past 13 years almost marking the conflict.
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posted on Jun, 26 2022 @ 11:53 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Brotherman

No, it is not easy to find a knockoff Berrit 50 cal where the real ones cost 8 to 12K.

The only people buying them would be doing so as a display. IAnyone in the market for a real M82A1 or A2 berritt 50 cal isn't going to fall for a knockoff.


People making fake propaganda videos wouldn’t care.



posted on Jun, 26 2022 @ 11:53 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Brotherman

originally posted by: everyone
a reply to: Brotherman




No one is filing off serial numbers from weapons that would take an eternity.


It really only takes but a minute *shrugs


Thats a lie, I am a machinist and a welder, I have a lot of experience in using files. I would love for you to demonstrate how easy it is to use a file to remove a stamped or engraved feature off of another metal surface?


Im a machinist as well man. Its a pretty quick job with an 90 degree die grinder.

I dont think the term "filing" is appropriate or accurate. However, there are different grits of files if one wanted to actually do it.



I’m assuming they are doing by hand without power tools.



posted on Jun, 27 2022 @ 01:20 AM
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originally posted by: Brotherman

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Brotherman

No, it is not easy to find a knockoff Berrit 50 cal where the real ones cost 8 to 12K.

The only people buying them would be doing so as a display. IAnyone in the market for a real M82A1 or A2 berritt 50 cal isn't going to fall for a knockoff.


People making fake propaganda videos wouldn’t care.


Burning a 12K sniper rifle is beyond reason for any video. You would burn it to cover something up or to deny the enemy such a prized trophy.

Until you post evidence of knockoff berrett 50s I am in complete disbelief. It is easy to make claims. Anybody can do it.

A Berrett 50s effective range is 1800 meters, over a mile. It is a death dealer. Officially it is an antimaterial sniper rifle. Something to be feared. In a few cases on video where Ru infantry encountered one or one firing the same round, they had to use rockets to deal with them. They simply outrange any sniper rifle they have.

If Ru wanted to stage a scene there are many other ways to do it without burning a prize weapon like that. There were also other sites where UA set up bases in Mariupol where they burned the weapons as they evacuated. So this seems to be an SOP of sorts.



posted on Jun, 27 2022 @ 06:13 AM
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Could just been a bunker hit by russian incoming fire and secondaries went of inside the bunker.

Like we see fire does not do a good job at destroying every piece of evidence.

Seems smarter to burry the passport a few hundred meter away from the bunker.

Even if they would find it , it would be difficult finding out the motive as to why it was planted there.



posted on Jun, 28 2022 @ 02:53 AM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

Sorry if I was being a D1ck the other day had a bit to drink and was pissy about this whole ukraine russia BS. I have an extensive background handling most of these weapons as a former Marine and I am a machinist/ welder. I look at the presented information based on the people in that country with the resources they have available.

In your video the barrett is missing its carry/ barrel replacement handle, that is clear and evident, it is made from a harder steel alloy with manganese, that wont melt off yet the aluminum heat guard remains intact and the bolt reciever does not have any boil over from lubricant, that would have a pattern to it because of sediment from the fire. It looks fake to me.

Here this might be of interest to you...

Yeah thats right Ukraine/ Russia training aids are advertised here alongside other things including .50's and suicide vests


yeah they can get fakes to make fake videos or set up realistic training environments.

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posted on Jun, 28 2022 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: Brotherman

I appreciate the reply.

I do know about replicas but your wording was Chinese knock-offs. That implies something different to me. Chalk it up to a misunderstanding,

As for the carry barrel, I am not sure what you are talking about.

Maybe you mean the carry handle. That is a feature that can be removed. It is only attached to the rail. It is not a built-in feature. Likely removed if high-end optics didn't mesh.

However, when you mention a carry replacement barrel it reminds me of an M2. This weapon doesn't have a replacement barrel. It doesn't use aluminum. It is constructed with Titanium parts.

As for boil over of lubricant. You have me wondering again of what you are talking about. Even the M2s I worked with were not heavily lubricated. Lubrication is for the inside, not the outside. The M82 is the same.



posted on Jun, 28 2022 @ 11:15 AM
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originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: Xcathdra

If there are Canadian, US/British ex special forces or ex regular forces serving in Ukraine as Volunteers on the front lines its very unlike you will have the MSM admit it publicly unless they are captured.

There have been at least a few captured mercenaries paraded before cameras. Aren't 2 of them on trial in Donestsk right now?



posted on Jun, 28 2022 @ 11:34 AM
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The more I think about it, I doubt the Azov forces would have cremated those guys just because they were foreigners.

If they were foreign intelligence however (CIA/MI6/etc) then the cremation makes a lot of sense. Once it became clear that capture was inevitable, the intelligence assets would be a huge liability.



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