Do you want me to show you God?

There are a few pieces of broccoli on our plate we need to finish before we get to the good stuff...After all, who wants to suffer themselves with broccoli, rather than getting it out of the way so you can enjoy yourself? Strap in folks, I'm about to show you God...

What is math..? Well, simply put....math is the study of the relationship between numbers. Rules governing how numbers relate to eachtoher, ect.

What are numbers...? I know, basic questions, but seemingly difficult to define..Like defining conciousness, it's hard to define some things without using the same word or a synonym in the definition. The best definition I could find for "number" was "Numbers are a CONCEPT of quantity".

If you have 3 apples, in reality, you have 3, but "threeness" is a concept, it exists in your mind is completely seperate from the apples themselves. Numbers are abstract in nature, they are not physical, they only exist in your mind, you can't literally touch or see a number. Evenreading "3" doesn't mean you actually see the reality of "3", only the conceptualization thereof. Simply put, it is merely a representation of what "3" is. To prove it, look at Roman Numerals. III is the same as 3, they both define the same thing but are written differently. Lets move on.

Math is conceptual, not physical. You can't stub your toe on a wall of mathematics.

Where do laws of math come from? Did the laws of math evolve with time? They say humans evolved from primates, did math evolve the same way? No...it's not like 1+1 didn't always equal 2...Or triangles weren't always 3 sided...

Was math created by people...? If so...why did we settle on 1+1=2? We could've easily settled on 1+1=5 and that would have been just as right as 1+1=2 if that theory were true (sorry, we don't need you architects no more). Was Keplers law and Pythagoreans theorem not true before they were theorized? (although the Egyptians theorized the Pythagorean theorem long before Pythagoras).

Does math come from the universe...? No....for a number of reasons. First of all, the universe is constantly changing. It's expanding, stars exploding, animals live and die, so on. If math was contingent on a changing universe, you'd expect math to be changing... But numbers don't evolve, they are true to reality... Space as we know it is in the 3 dimensional scope, whereas math...you can have many dimensions, like the hyper-volume of a hyper-sphere which has no application to the physical universe... Also, the number of atoms in the universe is finite, math is infinite...

No, the laws of math stem from the mind of God. Laws of mathematics are conceptual (exists in the mind), universal (they apply everywhere), invariant (does not change with time) and exceptionless. God's thoughts are conceptual. God is omnipresent. God does not change with time, he is beyond time. God is sovereign, nothing in creation is out of his control.

Lets do some math. Now disclaimer, I am not a mathemetician and barely got through my calculus class 10 years ago. So relearning all this will be just as hard for you as it was for me...And tbh, if you remember basic algebra, all you have to do is listen.

zn^2+C=Zn+1

This is called the Mandelbrot set. With C representing the number part of the Mandelbrot Set, Z annot go on infinitely and must stay "small". I know, I'm not giving a great explination of this, but honestly you can probably skip this part and read on.

So lets input a few numbers so we can see what I'm talking about instead of explaining it.

Is 1 part of the mandelbrot set? No.

0n^2+1=Zn+1 ////0^2+1=1
1n^2+1=Zn+1////1^2+1=2
2n^2+1=Zn+1////2^2+1=5

This continues into infinity and is therefore not part of the mandelbrot set. How about -1?

0n^2-1=Zn+1 ////0^2-1=-1
-1n^2-1=Zn+1////1^2-1=0
2n2^-1=Zn+1////2^2-1=-1

This continues 0, -1, 0, -1. Z is staying small, so therefore -1 is part of the Mandelbrot set. You can check any number this way.

Im mathematics, you have complex and imaginary numbers. These aren't your typical 1-10 numbers, they're one number with two sets... So imagine a x axis representing conceptual numbers. There is a y axis represnting complex numbers, so for example the number ia34, one number with two sets and these numbers can be used to check if they belong to the Mandelbrot set too. There's really nothing "imaginary" about these numbers, considering they are as real as numbers themselves are, it's just salt on the wound for mathematicians.

Now I want you to really understand "infinity" for a moment. Most people think, oh infinity, it goes on forever. Yes, but infinity means it never really had a beginning start either. That's the same with numbers. From 0 to 1, there are an infinite number of numbers in between, just as numbers go on for infinity. Anyway, not everything in the universe is intuitive, so bless their hearts.

Okay, I've already bored myself at this point, now let me show you.

I give you....the mind of God/ the Mandelbrot Set.



Color is added for visualization. All black blots are numbers that fall in the Mandelbrot set (on a x/y axis), lighter colors are numbers that come very close to being on the Mandelbrot set, and deep color are numbers that are not apart of the Mandelbrot set.

The fact of the matter is this is a real fractal, and does go on for infinity as the plots keep plotting. You can zoom in until your dying days, you will fall upon Mandelbrot after Mandelbrot. This is true infinity, this is true beauty...

Where can you see the Mandelbrot set in real life? Well, if you change C from 1 to 2, or 3, or 4, you start seeing where nature REALLY gets its beauty. Snowflakes and flowers are the most defined natural illustrations of the Mandelbrot Set.





You can check out the set with interactive abilities to zoom in as far as you want:
Mandelbrot Set Viewer

Just be warned, there is not enough computing power in the entire galaxy, if you could harness all stars, all super computers, all human minds, it still wouldn't be able to process the imagery needed to zoom enough into the Mandelbrot Set before your computer catches fire spontaneously. That is infinity...

Anyway, there's a few valleys you can check out within the Mandelbrot Set that really shows its elegance and beauty. There's the Vally of Elephants, the Valey of Seahorses, the Valley of Bowties and a few other locations of interest





I guess you were all expecting me to show you a picture of a dude in a beard, wearing a toga, holding a stick...That's pretty primitive human nature to assume "God" is anything physical, and if it is, anything we can even begin to fathom or rightfully conceptualize. Air, light, things, space, time, it all encompasses God...It's not a dude sitting in a chair and when you die you get to a gate and you're let into Club Cloud....The best way I could describe it is imagine after dying, you become a beam of light, and that is your reality and it is just as real as your concious reality now...

There's no way to explain God as an apparition or physical being, , and anyone that engages in the practice of creating God in their own image, is a fool looking to sell you snake oil. We can only observe what we know and what we understand.

I'll leave this conversation here.

Hadn't had the time to proof read. Sue me. Also those little lightning bolts you see coming off the bigger black circles, if you notice (looking at the upper most small circle), the top lightning bolt branch starts with 3, the next one to the left 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15 (and beyond). Going to the right 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, to infinity (and beyond). And between each major branch, if added together, will equal the secondary branch in between...



I did a picasso, hope you see the pattern emerge.

between the 3 branches and 5 branches, there's an 8 branch Mandelbrot set. This goes on for infinity in every direction.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

The spirit molecule will take you to Mandelbrot land in about 10 seconds and you can speak to entites, when you get there, that think they're GOD.
Not for the faint hearted; You will never look at reality the same way again. Buy the ticket, take the ride....

Your thread is admittedly over my head because: math. I loved playing at the link, though!

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Infinity - That which Precedes and Follows Itself..........

originally posted by: nugget1

Your thread is admittedly over my head because: math. I loved playing at the link, though!

Trust me, you and I are very very similar. Take my word for it, there is no .... "emphasis" on math debate here.

I'd hope you at least give it a try, I have utmost faith it would be right in your ballpark. I'm a college drop-out who became a plumber. Don't insult yourself my friend.

So far so good however going even further three does not exist not even two as each of those quantified are infinitely different... conceptualizing something into "apple" becomes cause for perception... remaining silent while looking at a "basket" the quotes mean remaining silent on that too.

Invariably it will be filled with that concept of "oneness" called apple... this is very unfortunate due to each that fills it is a unique individual.

Monism is the idea of that oneness or homogeneous mass and unfortunately often mistaken as the goal... equanimity sounds equative but solving such a thing as "When all things are returnable to one; to what is the one returnable too?" as well as "Emptiness is form; Form is none other than emptiness." No matter how much logic, ration or reason? Such statements are unsolvable but they point directly at a reality beyond concept or conception. While both are good for what you have presented in the OP.

I could say there is a quantity of doddertrangilificartization... what would that make me? Since it is a made up word? Some would say oh that's a god power or creation and also one of destruction since those letters and sounds were previously existing but not in such an order... neither of either is a co-operating cause... since that word hasn't existed before then all questioning that word in the future would be returnable to that point... when there really was no point to be made.

Like when someone says who tracked in all this dirt? The shoe is the obvious answer however that angers people and the odd thing is when saying you did when asked who tracked in all this dirt? Makes you a shoe!

Becoming a shoe may seem absurd but that's the unreality of what people expect instead of the shoe is the obvious answer... in the asking however, the person was looking for an argument instead of simply grabbing a broom and sweeping it up... so why not give the the argument of the shoe they were looking for? As odd as it may seem it's compassionate... another acceptable response would be; Who gave you that broom?

Such a automatic response arises after thoroughly solving such things(koans) as "When all things are returnable to one; To what is the one returnable?" I do have to give a warning however; using the answers I gave the next time someone asks? May become cause for you to lose your head.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

The Light of Eternal Mind

Well done!

originally posted by: Randyvine2
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

The Light of Eternal Mind

Well done!

Haha thank you

Rather The Eternal Mind of The Light

ETA:

I probably should've uploaded the YT video in the OP

originally posted by: JimmyNeutr0n
Anyway, there's a few valleys you can check out within the Mandelbrot Set that really shows its elegance and beauty. There's the Vally of Elephants, the Valey of Seahorses, the Valley of Bowties and a few other locations of interest

And what happens when you take a Mandelbrot and make it 3D?

You get Mandelbulbs....



There is an incredible world waiting when you create outside the box.

Z = Z 2 + C

Mandelbulb.com

Free Mandelbulb Software

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

The spirit molecule will take you to Mandelbrot land in about 10 seconds and you can speak to entites, when you get there, that think they're GOD.
Not for the faint hearted; You will never look at reality the same way again. Buy the ticket, take the ride....

I've met Quetzalcoatl a few times while there. I'm not Aztec or of any lineage where he was worshipped. There is something strange about that molecule.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

I love "broccoli" but "fractals" are pretty cool as well.

Given the size/scale and grand scheme of it all, if there is a god or creator force responsible for this verse, it may be unknowable regarding our human condition in the same to similar manner an Ant could never comprehend special relativity or mandelbrot set.

a reply to: andy06shake

"Space is to time as fractal is to quine."

~ Ben Rayfield

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Were there Mandelbrots before the Big Bang?

Which came first, Mandelbrots or math?

If you want to be shown real, mathematical evidence of God (instead of this silly razzle-dazzle loved by '___'-sodden New Agers), ....
if you really want your mind to encounter transcendental intelligence miraculously expressed in number, geometry and modern mathematics that will leave your mind reeling with awesome wonder, ....
If you really want to fuse together mathematics, science, religion and the paranormal into a coherent whole that reveals beyond doubt the Mind of God designing perfect beauty, ....
then study the research here.

But be warned:
Before you can stand before the Throne of God, you have to work hard to reach there.

originally posted by: nerbot

originally posted by: JimmyNeutr0n
Anyway, there's a few valleys you can check out within the Mandelbrot Set that really shows its elegance and beauty. There's the Vally of Elephants, the Valey of Seahorses, the Valley of Bowties and a few other locations of interest

And what happens when you take a Mandelbrot and make it 3D?

You get Mandelbulbs....

There is an incredible world waiting when you create outside the box.

Z = Z 2 + C

Mandelbulb.com

Free Mandelbulb Software

I did some research on the Mandelbulbs and I'm reading that it exists in the 4th dimension, not in the 3rd. Idk but I'm having brain spasms and overloads of information right now.

I was just re-reading the theory of Jesus being a mushroom, a theory that I've read and heard many times before. But now after creating this thread about the Mandelbrot Set, and doing the research on it, I found myself again, today, researching the Jesus was a Mushroom theory.

Allegro argues, through etymology, that the roots of Christianity, and many other religions, lay in fertility cults, and that cult practices, such as ingesting visionary plants to perceive the mind of God, persisted into the early Christian era, and to some unspecified extent into the 13th century with reoccurrences in the 18th century and mid-20th century, as he interprets the fresco of the Plaincourault Chapel to be an accurate depiction of eucharistic ritual ingestion of Amanita muscaria

en.wikipedia.org...

This (bold/underlined text) blew me away after reading. Taking these psychedelic drugs like "tryptamine's", these types of "visions" are common...

Then we get to the legality of these "drugs" (societies label). Lets take the most basic, weed is a Schedule I Controlled Substance federally in the United States, yet 19 states have legalized marijuana with a total of 38 states having legal medical marijuana (included the legalized states...obviously). And a federally Schedule I Controlled Substance is defined as:

Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse

Let me emphasis "medical marijuana in 38 states". lol.

So what is it really about..? Why is "one tryptamine" a Sched. I Controlled Substance, yet betty white (sorry ATS) and meth is a Sched. II Controlled Substance? Even Peyote (respect for not blotting out Peyote ) is a Sched. I, a sacred religious plant in some parts of the world. Freedom of religion and separation of church and state? I think not....

Sorry, this is turning into a rant of a "conspiracy theorist" (or less commonly referred to as, a spoiler)

ETA: I guess ATS blots out the mention of specific chemical substances. I removed the mention of any specific drugs and just put "tryptamine's", I understand the reason why they need to be blotted out though.

originally posted by: micpsi
If you want to be shown real, mathematical evidence of God (instead of this silly razzle-dazzle loved by '___'-sodden New Agers), ....
if you really want your mind to encounter transcendental intelligence miraculously expressed in number, geometry and modern mathematics that will leave your mind reeling with awesome wonder, ....
If you really want to fuse together mathematics, science, religion and the paranormal into a coherent whole that reveals beyond doubt the Mind of God designing perfect beauty, ....
then study the research here.

But be warned:
Before you can stand before the Throne of God, you have to work hard to reach there.

I'm 30 years old, and I've only ever smoked weed.

Just saying, am I part of that "dmt" sodden new age group?

And aren't we on the same page...? I could be wrong, but sacred geometry is a 2-dimensional thought in a 3-dimensional world. We're trying to perceive the 4th dimension through the 3rd.. And to clarify, when I say "we're", I mean here on ATS, where THIS conversation is happening, lol

Read my comment right before this, bold/underlined text in quote I posted in my reply.

originally posted by: lostgirl
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Were there Mandelbrots before the Big Bang?

Which came first, Mandelbrots or math?

"came first" to assume it had a beginning?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n
Given the size/scale and grand scheme of it all, if there is a god or creator force responsible for this verse, it may be unknowable regarding our human condition in the same to similar manner an Ant could never comprehend special relativity or mandelbrot set.

Hear hear

No, that's fine.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

But you might want to note that the Mandelbrot Set does NOT represent any sort of infinity. It's a bounded set.

The Mandelbrot set (/ˈmændəlbroʊt, -brɒt/)[1][2] is the set of complex numbers [displaystyle c]c for which the function [displaystyle f_[c](z)=z^[2]+c][displaystyle f_[c](z)=z^[2]+c] does not diverge to infinity when iterated from [displaystyle z=0]z=0, i.e., for which the sequence [displaystyle f_[c](0)][displaystyle f_[c](0)], [displaystyle f_[c](f_[c](0))][displaystyle f_[c](f_[c](0))], etc., remains bounded in absolute value.

definition of Mandelbrot Set

It further says "The Mandelbrot set is a compact set, since it is closed and contained in the closed disk of radius 2 around the origin. "

There's a nice discussion/set of answers about what it is and does on Quora and a good one over on Reddit

originally posted by: Byrd
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

But you might want to note that the Mandelbrot Set does NOT represent any sort of infinity. It's a bounded set.

The Mandelbrot set (/ˈmændəlbroʊt, -brɒt/)[1][2] is the set of complex numbers [displaystyle c]c for which the function [displaystyle f_[c](z)=z^[2]+c][displaystyle f_[c](z)=z^[2]+c] does not diverge to infinity when iterated from [displaystyle z=0]z=0, i.e., for which the sequence [displaystyle f_[c](0)][displaystyle f_[c](0)], [displaystyle f_[c](f_[c](0))][displaystyle f_[c](f_[c](0))], etc., remains bounded in absolute value.

definition of Mandelbrot Set

It further says "The Mandelbrot set is a compact set, since it is closed and contained in the closed disk of radius 2 around the origin. "

There's a nice discussion/set of answers about what it is and does on Quora and a good one over on Reddit

Images of the Mandelbrot set exhibit an elaborate and infinitely complicated boundary that reveals progressively ever-finer recursive detail at increasing magnifications; mathematically, one would say that the boundary of the Mandelbrot set is a fractal curve. The "style" of this recursive detail depends on the region of the set boundary being examined. Mandelbrot set images may be created by sampling the complex numbers and testing, for each sample point c , [displaystyle c,] c, whether the sequence f c ( 0 ) , f c ( f c ( 0 ) ) , … [displaystyle f_[c](0),f_[c](f_[c](0)),dotsc ] [displaystyle f_[c](0),f_[c](f_[c](0)),dotsc ] goes to infinity.

If you can prove to me that numbers are finite, then I will secede the argument to you. Because if you can't, Mandelbrot Set by definition of simply "plotting smaller...and smaller........and smaller (or larger)" points is infinite...

.01i(y)
.00000001i(y)
.000000000000001i(y)
.00000000000000000000000000000000000001i(y)
.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001i(y)
.1e+1,000,000i(y)

Literally....numbers are infinite, how can you stop plotting points in a Mandelbrot set? In your own words...

I'd also like to know the coordinates for the end of the Mandelbrot set.

ETA: If you mean bounded as if its coordinate plain, again, that's speculative. The mandelbrot may be contained in a (hypothetically speaking) 5'x5' square on the grid, but again, it itself is boundless.... You might not see much of a difference between .0000001 and .00000001, but to the formula, we're talking infinite decimal places....Hence, infinite plots.....Complete human fallacy...

Simply put, I'll give you the tldr....

Definition:
Infinite: limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure or calculate.

Where is the Mandelbrots border?

What is Mandelbrots size?