Physicist Michio Kaku on the Shift in the UFO Phenomenon

My take is that the government has data (radar returns etc) and some of it is probably pretty damned interesting.

But I don't think they know any more than us about what the phenomena is, or its point of origin.

Is it not simply a lack of knowledge. I doubt if they've even moved beyond data collection to forming information about the phenomena. Lots of intriguing data, but no idea of what it means or represents.

Cheers

a reply to: idusmartias

Calling him top ufologists is not necessarily praising him. It’s a fact he was a well-known ufologist or top ufologist since the late 70s.

If I say Henry Kissinger was a top diplomat doesn't mean I'm praising him.

a reply to: loufo

Or ufologists like John Keel and Jacques Vallee may have started to spread and make well-known the ID theory, having nothing to do necessarily with aliens.


Though the big change was in the 1890s when the UFOs were airships and after about the 40s started to become modern ufos.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
Kaku, is a great example of the shift, in that he tells us at one point he was a skeptic, but now he seems all in on this new shift on UFOs.

That video was posted on June 8, 2022, but it doesn't say in the description what date the interview was conducted, does anybody know?

This is not a new spiel for Kaku menaing he started making this statement about burden of proof shifting in 2019 which made him look extremely ignorant of the topic to anybody who has researched the topic deeply, as Mick West has. Last year there was a similar video posted where Kaku said basically the same things so since Kaku is repeating himself, it should be fair game for me to do the same, this reply still applies to Kaku's comments on the Rogan show:

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"Kaku sounds extremely naive and ignorant in that video, but it is certainly nothing new...he has been sounding that way ever since he started parroting some of the claims TTSA made about those navy videos, which are actually quite uninteresting, and do not show anything at all like what Kaku and TTSA have claimed.

He says we used to rely on eyewitness accounts, but now we have videos from pilots and we've analyzed them frame by frame. We now know they show super high G-forces, etc.

But only extremely naive and incompetent analyses of the videos claim that.
Then he says they can descend from 80,000 feet to sea level in seconds. But the captain of the ship that made that sensor reading didn't think that was a UFO, he thought it was an atmospheric phenomenon misinterpreted; Kaku doesn't mention that. But I've grown accustomed to UFOlogy being populated with nonsense and Kaku delivers a boatload of bovine excrement in that video and in his other extremely naive and ignorant proclamations.

Metabunk has called Kaku out in the past on his repeating the flawed analyses claims from TTSA.

Why Michio Kaku is wrong about the UFO Burden of Proof & Navy Videos

“We now know they fly between Mach 5 and Mach 20 — five to 20 times the speed of sound,” Kaku said. “We know they zigzag so fast that any pilot would be crushed by centrifugal force. That they have no exhaust that we can see.”

That's the same kind of nonsense Kaku said in the video in the OP.

The problem here is that he is wrong. The three videos do not show anything that is outside the bounds of human science. In fact, they most likely show rather banal things, viewed in an unusual way

Mick West and Thunderf00t have both thoroughly debunked those three videos Kaku is talking about and have shown that they do not demonstrate what Kaku claims they do, so Kaku has completely lost all credibility when it comes to the UFO topic.

Kaku describes these videos as "testable evidence", and we can in fact test hypotheses on them to see if they fit. However, Kaku seems not to have tested them himself and is instead relying on the ideas of others. The "To The Stars Academy," for example, still claims that "Go Fast" is going fast, and is close to the water. This is demonstrably wrong. Likewise, others have interpreted the camera movements in Flir1 as object movements, or have interpreted the optical rotation of an infrared glare in "Gimbal" as a physical rotation of a craft. These are all demonstrable unsupported interpretations that Kaku has somehow been convinced are true.

So no, the burden of proof has not shifted. The Navy has no current obligation to prove that Mach 20 craft that zigzag at impossibly high g-forces are not aliens. There's no such obligation because no such craft have yet been demonstrated to exist. We don't know exactly what these videos show, but they don't show anything impossible, and they are well explained by ordinary events.

Frankly, Kaku is an embarassment to not have figured out himself that the claims he's making, partly parroted from unreliable sources like TTSA, are false."

originally posted by: peaceinoutz

Though the big change was in the 1890s when the UFOs were airships and after about the 40s started to become modern ufos.

I think that statement needs to be challenged as there really wasn't a big change.

It is probably more down to the prevalent culture at the time as to how UFO's have been described - such as the evolution from flying pots to hats to saucers. The predominantly US airship wave of that decade is in a period when airships were being designed as the evolution of balloons. Subsequent reports of what essentially seem to be the same things refer to them as looking like airstream caravans and suchlike.

Not disputing that there was a wave - same as there has been for triangles, eggs and fuzzy brightly lit objects - but how many of those reports were valid and not sensationalism of some form or another is debateable. There is also the possibility of whatever was the source of the sightings adjusting the appearance to suit a particular culture / purpose but the generality often used that sightings have evolved to match human technological advances has little to back it up.

a reply to: chunder


The point is you had that wave in primarily the 1890s, then it kind of disappeared to never return. Then from the early 1900s, 20s, 30s, to 1947, there are generally no waves up until the early 1940s, particularly after 1945 when the modern saucer era came into existence, right after the 1945 atomic bomb. Particularly during the 1948 season, we had a wave of green fireballs at many nuclear installations. Sure in between there were intermittent events, but no wave, ufo events.


So, we can conclude this modern, saucer-related ufo phenomenon got fired up after the 1945 atomic bomb was created and used on Japan to end WWII.

Before that there was no ufo wave in the world, save maybe the foo fighter events that actually were during WWII.