Freedom . Have you Forgotten ?

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
we are the last Citizenry that can overthrow there Government

Do you really believe this or are you just joking?

You have never been anywhere close to it.

There has never been true cause for such an act , but none the less the capability is there and will remain so as long as the 2nd amendment is in place.

Which is why certain people want the 2nd gone.

In my opinion, this is a sweet dream that allows you to soothe the pain of realizing that nothing can be changed in the United States.

All your pistols and rifles are dangerous for the police, but not for the army.

If the army is on the side of the government, then your weapons will not matter. The modern army has the ability to shoot from places that are far beyond the reach of small arms.

In addition, you recently had an example before your eyes of how the trained Ukrainian Nazis from Azovstal, having weapons, could not do anything. No one even began to storm them, and they, like worms, were forced to crawl out of the ground.

And I also got the impression that the people of the United States are extremely divided. It is probably your government that maintains this state of society.

Posse Comitatus Act.

The aforementioned act prevents the federal government from using any federal military personnel against their own people to enforce domestic policy.

From the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

emphasis added

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: turretless

you assume the US Military would turn it's weapons on it's own people ..Perhaps you assume to much. People in the military are citizens they have families and homes , I think you would be hard pressed to get them to turn on there own.

I will tell you a secret.

In all countries, military personnel are citizens of their country and they all have families and homes.

It's called ' You're not as smart as you think you are ' it's a terminal and untreatable condition that many people suffer from .

May I ask you to post here a scan of your certificate of graduation from the psychological or psychiatric department of any institute?

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
we are the last Citizenry that can overthrow there Government

Do you really believe this or are you just joking?

You have never been anywhere close to it.

There has never been true cause for such an act , but none the less the capability is there and will remain so as long as the 2nd amendment is in place.

Which is why certain people want the 2nd gone.

In my opinion, this is a sweet dream that allows you to soothe the pain of realizing that nothing can be changed in the United States.

All your pistols and rifles are dangerous for the police, but not for the army.

If the army is on the side of the government, then your weapons will not matter. The modern army has the ability to shoot from places that are far beyond the reach of small arms.

In addition, you recently had an example before your eyes of how the trained Ukrainian Nazis from Azovstal, having weapons, could not do anything. No one even began to storm them, and they, like worms, were forced to crawl out of the ground.

And I also got the impression that the people of the United States are extremely divided. It is probably your government that maintains this state of society.

Posse Comitatus Act.

The aforementioned act prevents the federal government from using any federal military personnel against their own people to enforce domestic policy.

Why are you so sure that this law will not be violated when a dangerous situation arises for the government?

Has the US government never violated the rights of its citizens?

a reply to: turretless

When our government attempts to violate the rights of the people they generally do so in some deceptive manner, something on the fringe that can be twisted into a loophole of some kind. If government were to violate that particular law that would be openly declaring war on its own people and the path forward would be clear. The world stage would see that government as the antithesis of everything the US stands for. Sadly, we are closer to that image than we have ever been.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

This means that in the supposed event of an uprising, your government will outsmart you. The government simply will not allow such a movement of the people to develop.

What have all your protest movements led to? Where is Occupy Wall Street? Where is the movement of January 6, 2021?

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: turretless

you assume the US Military would turn it's weapons on it's own people ..Perhaps you assume to much. People in the military are citizens they have families and homes , I think you would be hard pressed to get them to turn on there own.

I will tell you a secret.

In all countries, military personnel are citizens of their country and they all have families and homes.

It's called ' You're not as smart as you think you are ' it's a terminal and untreatable condition that many people suffer from .

May I ask you to post here a scan of your certificate of graduation from the psychological or psychiatric department of any institute?

Funny you should ask I do have a Minor in Psychology , but in truth I'm just giving you a hard time I'm not evaluating you .

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: turretless

you assume the US Military would turn it's weapons on it's own people ..Perhaps you assume to much. People in the military are citizens they have families and homes , I think you would be hard pressed to get them to turn on there own.

I will tell you a secret.

In all countries, military personnel are citizens of their country and they all have families and homes.

It's called ' You're not as smart as you think you are ' it's a terminal and untreatable condition that many people suffer from .

May I ask you to post here a scan of your certificate of graduation from the psychological or psychiatric department of any institute?

Funny you should ask I do have a Minor in Psychology , but in truth I'm just giving you a hard time I'm not evaluating you .

Send me money as compensation for the hard times you gave me.

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: turretless

you assume the US Military would turn it's weapons on it's own people ..Perhaps you assume to much. People in the military are citizens they have families and homes , I think you would be hard pressed to get them to turn on there own.

I will tell you a secret.

In all countries, military personnel are citizens of their country and they all have families and homes.

It's called ' You're not as smart as you think you are ' it's a terminal and untreatable condition that many people suffer from .

May I ask you to post here a scan of your certificate of graduation from the psychological or psychiatric department of any institute?

Funny you should ask I do have a Minor in Psychology , but in truth I'm just giving you a hard time I'm not evaluating you .

Send me money as compensation for the hard times you gave me.

lol I'll add you to the list , It's ever growing .

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Miser!

a reply to: asabuvsobelow


God Bless You, Sir!

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: JinMI
Ok, now lets complete the circle.

With what money and what weapons???

How are all these other countries going to obtain what they need from an embattled country?

Who said anything about an embattled country?

The OP was talking about citizens around the world thinking that american citizens are the only hope against global tyranny because of the 2A. That is false. People get arms and fight on their own with whatever money they have and with weapons from whoever will sell to them.

It's more of a symbolic Argument mate , i.e. the 2A is a symbol of the freedom to arm and defend.

and yes you are quite right there are countries that rise up , but they do not have access to weapons legally they have to buy them illegally taking great risk just to do so .

a reply to: asabuvsobelow
C'mon now, if a group is planning on staging a coup, getting the weapons is probably the least risky part of the plan.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: asabuvsobelow
C'mon now, if a group is planning on staging a coup, getting the weapons is probably the least risky part of the plan.

But there in lies the point mate .

It should not be a risk at all , If a Citizenry want to arm themselves they should be able to do so Legally and without Government oversight . They shouldn't need illegal arms dealers or the CIA to plan a coup .

Pick up your rifles march into the Capital and escort the leaders out when they become totally corrupt , it should be that easy and our leaders should live in fear of that fact, it should keep them honest.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
But there in lies the point mate.

It should not be a risk at all , If a Citizenry want to arm themselves they should be able to do so Legally and without Government oversight . They shouldn't need illegal arms dealers or the CIA to plan a coup.

No, the point is that when a citizenry feels the need it doesn't matter if they have to do it one way or the other.

Pick up your rifles march into the Capital and escort the leaders out when they become totally corrupt , it should be that easy and our leaders should live in fear of that fact, it should keep them honest.

But you are armed and you have not done that, while many claim that they are totally corrupt, so what is the advantage of being "legally" armed?

a reply to: daskakik

But you are armed and you have not done that, while many claim that they are totally corrupt, so what is the advantage of being "legally" armed?

It's like I said earlier the 2A is a symbol of potential action , It's the Last resort in a worst case scenario .

It should be viewed as strength by everyone and not just some obstacle to smash on the way to authoritarianism , the advantage of being Legally armed is that truthfully we will never need to use the Arms , so long as the threat is there that is enough .

the moment the threat no longer remains then oppression will take on a new form , and we will have to take up arms in the darkness and actually fight all the while being called terrorist.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

All those things you listed like gun ownership, free speech, and a fair trial for criminals all sounds so UNSAFE!

Didn’t you get the memo? Being unsafe just will not do.

Just my two cents.

“Stay safe”

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
It's like I said earlier the 2A is a symbol of potential action , It's the Last resort in a worst case scenario.

And my point is that the potential action always exists and has been acted upon by people throughout history who didn't have the second.

It should be viewed as strength by everyone and not just some obstacle to smash on the way to authoritarianism , the advantage of being Legally armed is that truthfully we will never need to use the Arms , so long as the threat is there that is enough.

So you are saying the threat that the second creates has kept governments squeaky clean throughout US history?

I don't think anybody is going to buy that.

the moment the threat no longer remains then oppression will take on a new form , and we will have to take up arms in the darkness and actually fight all the while being called terrorist.

Exactly my point, in that situation the second is neither here nor their.

You think they are not going to call you terrorists if you storm government buildings with legally purchased firearms?

a reply to: daskakik

So you are saying the threat that the second creates has kept governments squeaky clean throughout US history? I don't think anybody is going to buy that.

Of course not mate , Never Squeaky clean .

They are corrupt , They are liars and it will inevitably lead to the USA's downfall . But they do fear the people still , The Jan-6th committee side show is a testament to there fear .

Let me ask you this , If the equivalent to Jan-6th protest happened in China or Russia what do you think would happen to those people ? It's a rhetorical question , they would kill them all full stop no hesitation .

There is a War for the soul of the United States of America right now as we speak and the only thing standing between them and our total submission is the 2nd Amendment.

Exactly my point, in that situation the second is neither here nor their. You think they are not going to call you terrorists if you storm government buildings with legally purchased firearms?

They can try and call them terrorist yes but they have to convince people they are terrorist , Just like what they are doing right now with the Jan-6th committee . That is one big side show to try and convince the masses that those protesters were treasonous terrorist end of story.

Now change it up , The 2A is gone and guns are illegal those people and anyone like them would be branded radical terrorist and there would be no need to convince the people .

If the 2A goes the 1st amendment will be next and the dominoes will start to fall after that , The point I'm making is the 2A is all that's holding them back .

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
Let me ask you this , If the equivalent to Jan-6th protest happened in China or Russia what do you think would happen to those people? It's a rhetorical question, they would kill them all full stop no hesitation.

But you went to the extreme. If the equivalent to Jan-6th protest happened in a country that isn't as oppresive as those but that also doesn't have the 2A, what would have happened? The same as in the US, they would have set the anti-riot squad on them and arrested and charged people if deemed appropriate.

There is a War for the soul of the United States of America right now as we speak and the only thing standing between them and our total submission is the 2nd Amendment.

That wasn't the point I was addressing. It was your statement that people around the world think US citizens are their only hope because of the 2A.

Now change it up, The 2A is gone and guns are illegal those people and anyone like them would be branded radical terrorist and there would be no need to convince the people.

The point is that people in that situation don't care if the enemy is calling them names and they don't need the 2A to arm themselves and rise up.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
... The Original 10 Constitutional Amendments were Written to stand through time and ensure that America would remain a beacon of Freedom to the rest of the world, Each Amendment represented a Freedom that was denied to the original founders of America .

If the US is or ever was "a beacon of Freedom to the rest of the world", then...

Ah yes, what a shining "beacon of Freedom" it is, freedom for war criminals and torturers doing as they're told that will never be prosecuted for crimes against humanity or war crimes at the International Criminal Court in Den Haag, especially when they work for the CIA: