Abortion, the Elephant in the Room

originally posted by: optimisticcontrarian
a reply to: Hecate666

All the woman who WILL die painfully from inner damage, or blood poisoning caused by unsanitary and dangerous practice are on your conscience.

Another disingenuous take

If they want an abortion so bad they can go to the state that allows it, no back ally needed

This argument is so old and tired that its ridiculous

What if it is a younger person or a homeless person or a mentally ill person who can't just up and travel? Just asking?
What if your law is suddenly upheld everywhere in your country?
Here in the UK they tried a similar thing in Ireland. Some people haven't got a passport.
If you want to stop abortions so badly why not arrest every woman and put her on death row who needs an abortion?
You know to put them really off...
My guess is that even with such drastic methods, desperate women would still rather use a coat hanger and die.
As we have seen happening in the past. Oh, also in the past, unwanted babies were just strangled or left out in the cold. Which was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better./s 🙄

What I am saying is that nobody and nothing can STOP this happening. So why not make it safe?
War on drugs doesn't work, stopping abortions doesn't work either.
The only people rubbing their hands are the shadiest people on earth making money out of something humans will do forever and anti abortionists because they get a kick of forcing their will onto others.

a reply to: Hecate666

Don’t tell these guys the little secret that many MANY of their
Moms, sister, wives, girlfriend have had abortions without them knowing it.
Some of the women may even say they are against it.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Hecate666

So, two consenting adults have sex then go their separate ways by choice.
Two months later girl contacts the guy and says 'Hey, I'm pregnant'. The tells her he wants nothing to do with it but she goes ahead and has the baby.
6 months down the line the guy gets a paternity suit and has to pay maintenance - alimony.

Fair enough, I have no problem with that really.
Just pointing out the guy has no say whatsoever.

Now say the girl contacts the man and he says 'Great, I want to be a parent and I'll look after it, raise it.....no problem'.
But the girl says 'No, I'm having an abortion'.

The guy has no say again.
And you can't see anything wrong with that?

I did say if the man used protection and stated he doesn't want a child he's free to go.
If two consenting adults make a baby and then separate, he has no say. Why would the girl want to carry a baby from a man that she doesn't like, go through all the pain and then hand it over?
She's not an incubator. She's a human.
Nature made it so that men who desperately want a child can impregnate as many women as they fancy, something a woman can't do, she can only be pregnant by one male at a time.
You can sow your seeds with 100 women if you are able to pull them.
It's much easier for a man to have offspring. So don't cry if it doesn't work with the one lady.

Again, so so simple. Bring it on, ask me more hypothetical questions. I bet there is a simple, logical answer to all of them.

Round and round we go again.

I personally don’t care if abortion clinics give out buy two get the third free coupons.

But let’s be honest here, until both sides are willing to compromise on the issue it will never be put to rest.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
Round and round we go again.

I personally don’t care if abortion clinics give out buy two get the third free coupons.

But let’s be honest here, until both sides are willing to compromise on the issue it will never be put to rest.

Why should there be two sides?

There should only be one side -- the woman's.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
Someday it might not be an issue when children are gestated outside of a womans womb. I'm sure we are halfway there.

Yuppers.

Like most topics, this is one that will change drastically with technology and much, much sooner than most people imagine.

Personally, I think that is where the issue actually lies. There have been some recent successes with mice embryos like this article and this article detail.

Currently, I dont believe humanity is at all prepared for the technology that will be coming out in the next few generations. Still stuck bickering over old paradigms instead of preparing and pre-emptively building structures that will truly support what is to come.

Should be rather exciting and fascinating to watch people try to figure it out I think humanity's chances for surviving the process are probably more bleak than most imagine though. At least if our current course holds. BCI's, artificial wombs, automation, digitization of consciousness, gene editing, nanomachines.. They will all render pretty much every current argument in society obsolete within mere generations. Generations may sound like plenty of time, however, these are absolutely massive civilizational changes individually (much less all together).

But "thankfully," massive corporations, NGOs, and such have a plan

a reply to: Annee

Some people believe the child has a side.

originally posted by: ToLiveIsToDie
a reply to: Hecate666

A man however has got responsibility if he had unprotected sex

Are you saying that woman doesnt have any responsibility if they have unprotected sex??

No, I didn't say that. But she doesn't need to be pregnant for 9 month with an unwanted child either. Sounds callous but it isn't. Sure we all want everyone to be aware all the time, but considering that a woman who was careless gets lumbered with a child for the rest of her life. I think she should have some get out clause. The male just runs for the hills and he can do that as often as he likes.
Abortion shouldn't be a substitute for contraception, but hell, most abortions are by women who have a darn good reason.
They are not all sluts who just go shagging and then have an abortion.
Even if, they wouldn't be mother material in the first place. So nature sorts it all out beautifully.

originally posted by: face23785
The trans movement has made the "men can't have an opinion on abortion" argument moot.

They think men can carry babies, so we can absolutely have an opinion now.

Men, thank the mentally ill for your newfound legitimacy in this debate.

what about the baby? it's their life. their body getting torn apart.

thanks mom and dad.

see ya on the other side.

originally posted by: Hecate666

originally posted by: ToLiveIsToDie
a reply to: Hecate666

A man however has got responsibility if he had unprotected sex

Are you saying that woman doesnt have any responsibility if they have unprotected sex??

No, I didn't say that. But she doesn't need to be pregnant for 9 month with an unwanted child either. Sounds callous but it isn't. Sure we all want everyone to be aware all the time, but considering that a woman who was careless gets lumbered with a child for the rest of her life. I think she should have some get out clause. The male just runs for the hills and he can do that as often as he likes.
Abortion shouldn't be a substitute for contraception, but hell, most abortions are by women who have a darn good reason.
They are not all sluts who just go shagging and then have an abortion.
Even if, they wouldn't be mother material in the first place. So nature sorts it all out beautifully.

if that's the reason, what about adoption?

a reply to: Annee

Are abortions free? A very poor person is not going to have immediate funds.

Your suggesting it may take a poor person 6 months plus to acquire the money for an abortion ? Yeah I'm calling bull# on that, Abortions are not that expensive and neither are morning after pills or condoms or in general using your brain.

My daughter, for one -- she was 5 months pregnant before she knew (no, she did not abort the baby).

It took your Daughter 5 months to realize she missed a Period ?

My girlfriend knows 24-48hrs before her Period is going to hit , and If she misses one her Anxiety goes through the roof immediately , so I would say your daughter is a bit absent minded to say the least.

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a reply to: Annee

Why should there be two sides? There should only be one side -- the woman's.

That is 100% fine with me .

But if that is the case then She should not be able to legally come after me for Child support or anything of the sort.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n


All the Supreme Court is saying is that each state will determine the rules for killing human babies.

Should a woman that has an abortion in a state that allows it, be tried for murder when she returns home. If so what do you think is a reasonable punishment?

Thanks to Sonia Sotomayor, the Russia Ukraine war ended at 8:00 p.m. last night.

And Covid-19 is a distant memory.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow


It took your Daughter 5 months to realize she missed a Period ?

My girlfriend knows 24-48hrs before her Period is going to hit , and If she misses one her Anxiety goes through the roof immediately , so I would say your daughter is a bit absent minded to say the least.

M

Well, good for your girlfriend that she is "textbook" norm.

Many women are not.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Hecate666

Don’t tell these guys the little secret that many MANY of their
Moms, sister, wives, girlfriend have had abortions without them knowing it.
Some of the women may even say they are against it.

Because we somehow dont know? Mom almost aborted me, she didnt, nor my brother, my grandmother had 2 children then had a hysto because of cancer, my girlfriend was FORCED into abortion by her mother at 18 and now is a die hard pro life woman.

I dont care what the hell you think honestly, its murdering babies, it doesnt matter what lipstick you put on that pig, and honestly you being pro killing babies says more about YOU than it does about the "MEN" you all the sudden seem to hate, who are anti killing your babies

Legit theres a sickness with people if they are pro abortion

originally posted by: sarahvital

originally posted by: face23785
The trans movement has made the "men can't have an opinion on abortion" argument moot.

They think men can carry babies, so we can absolutely have an opinion now.

Men, thank the mentally ill for your newfound legitimacy in this debate.

what about the baby? it's their life. their body getting torn apart.

thanks mom and dad.

see ya on the other side.

They like to say "My body my choice" but if it truly were their body THEY would be dying and not the baby, but no one wants to acknowledge that

a reply to: optimisticcontrarian

Legit theres a sickness with people if they are pro abortion

I’m pro NONE of my Business

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: optimisticcontrarian

Legit theres a sickness with people if they are pro abortion

I’m pro NONE of my Business

Then I hope you never sit on a jury for MURDER, because by your logic thats none of your business too and everyone should just pretend it doesnt happen

Its sickening