The First Commander of Azov Threatens to Fire a Tochka-U at Civilians on May 9

originally posted by: eitea
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I think that you may be mentally challenged. Even after several attempts you still find it impossible to understand, that the majority living in the eastern parts of Ukraine didn't want to be apart of Ukraine anymore. And the reason was the big screw-up called Maidan, where Yanukovych was taken down by force.
Now look at the election map of Ukrainian elections and see what regions supported Yanukovych. Maybe it's easier for you to understand pictures, then words:

en.wikipedia.org...

It's the same as USA supported South-Korea or South-Vietnam, where they supported the separatists, who didn't agree with the new government. Of course that list where US forces supported the separatists is much longer, but I won't burden you with such a complicated subject. It would be awesome even know anything about these two wars.

Who cares what 15% want, the majority don't. And just because you want, doesn't mean you get.

originally posted by: eitea
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

As big of a difference then humans and you?

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

Nothing inside Ukrainian's borders belong to russia.

a reply to: andy06shake

Thank you.

They would only need to use nuclear weapons in a direct conflict with NATO against US carrier groups, that are their biggest strength while Russia having a very weak naval capability, but having a moderately good land capability. They don't need to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, where they could level large areas with conventional weaponry like vacuum bombs.

In all probability, this conflict is a personal conflict between Putin and Kolomoisky. Both hard-liners with gangster mentality.
Putin's reason for warfare has been the actions of Kolomoisky's paramilitary groups against the Russian speaking people in the east. "The nazi" thing is an overblown media propaganda, but the east has had a lot of problems with Kolomoisky created and funded paramilitary groups for a long time already. They live by their own law there, and the constant propaganda that every Russian is evil has made them very violent and careless against anyone who speaks russian. This propaganda has been created just as a way of manipulation, for politicians and power players to show themselves as the heroes of the people. But in reality Kolomoisky is using his newly formed paramilitary force to gain power among Ukrainian and Russian speaking people both. For instance Poroshenko told that his treason charges were directly orchestrated by Kolomoisky and they even haven't tried hiding it that Zelinsky is his errand boy.
This war will be over when negotiations between the east and the west start and the western side of Ukraine stop treating the Russian living majority there as subhuman and their land as their birth given right.
So, it's very cynical of the west to send new weaponry there to only hold back any chance of negotiations and only fuel the conflict further. If you see two dudes fighting and you want to end the fight, then you go in the middle and tell them to stop it and try to find common ground. You don't give one guy a knife and tell, go now, go and stab him!

Read up on Kolomoisky and his paramilitary groups and it will paint a better picture on why and what is happening.

a reply to: eitea

No bother eitea.

As long as Russia don't venture any further than Ukraine NATO or any US carrier group will touch them because thats the beginning of a third world war.

NATO and the rest of the nations that support Ukrainian freedom and recognise her as a nation are quite happy to simply supply them with the tools they need to get the job done themselves.

As to vacuum bombs, well Russia have already used thermobaric rocket barrage in Ukraine.

Your correct all the same low yield tactical nukes would not make anymore of a mess of the place that conventional cruise missile strikes and rocket barrage already have.

The response however form the rest of the world would be swift and rather extreme.

All this escalate to deescalate crap wont work in Ukraine or with the West in general nether.

a reply to: andy06shake

Yeah, I agree, and luckily there is very little probability that it will happen.
My estimate is that their plan was to disable Ukraine military capability and then retreat to Donetsk and Lugansk region and hold ground there and retaliate any military actions done in that region. They are not the good guys, they just saw the crap that the paramilitary groups were doing there and they seized the opportunity to make a stop to it and gain popularity of the locals through it. USA has done the same crap also over half a century already, and what can I say, life isn't perfect.
My estimate goes that this will end like 2008 Georgia ended. Lot's of media propaganda and highlight news, then suddenly everyone forgets about it and life goes on.

When drifting out of subject, my biggest worry isn't this war. It's just my personal contempt on people who call for war while knowing that their homes won't be bombed when it happens.
My bigger fear is global financial and economic collapse that has been brewing for a long time already and escalating with 2020 covid restrictions where not only payouts were made that didn't bring any economic value, but economy was actually stopped by stopping people to work. Now the sanctions cause by the war has grown this situation to "level bright red". That is what makes me worried.

a reply to: eitea

As long as it does end eitea.

Because just like Putin's piss poor antics in Ukraine.

World war 3 would be a mugs game.

Where NATO forces would wipe the floor with Russia because they simply are not the Warsaw pact of yesteryear.

And if it goes nuclear then there will not be much of continental Europe or the United States left standing with no spoils to be had, nor winners left standing around to gloat.

originally posted by: eitea

You are trying to make a large distinction between ethnic russians and russian speaking people. When you're not from eastern europe, then I understand your ignorance, but actually there is not much distinction then there is on paper. We also have a large russian speaking minority, but we don't have trouble with them for the simple reason that our country is a good place to live in when compared to Russia. It's not like that with Ukraine, where life is even worse then in Russia. So, big surprise that there are people who don't like the way Ukraine is managed?

50% of America any given year doesn't like the way America is managed too, but that doesn't mean breaking up chunks into either independent states or added to Mexico/Canada is even remotely an idea.

I live in the North West that has a large East Europe and Russian population. A group of friends of mine are Ukrainians by birth, they all speak Russian and Ukrainian and they all hate Russia for what it did to them over the decades. The have many get togethers where everyone brings food and wine, so I get a good amount of information from people in that part of the world that still have a huge number of relatives living there.

I would say if we saw the top 20 REAL reasons Russia attacked Ukraine I would say the reasons of saving Russians there and getting rid of the Nazis is hardly on the list, but it is good propaganda that they can create hyperboles for days on.

a reply to: Xtrozero

If they hate Russia, then maybe they should listen to some enya or practice yoga. Hate will eat you up from the inside.
Yeah, the nazi thing is propaganda, I agree. Russians are very easy to manipulate with the nazi thing, because most of them have grandparents who fought in the war against them. In reality the problem is in paramilitary groups, created and funded by Kolomoyskyi, who think that they are working for national pride, but actually working for a gangster who doesn't have any friends and don't care about nationalities.

originally posted by: eitea

If they hate Russia, then maybe they should listen to some enya or practice yoga. Hate will eat you up from the inside.
Yeah, the nazi thing is propaganda, I agree. Russians are very easy to manipulate with the nazi thing, because most of them have grandparents who fought in the war against them. In reality the problem is in paramilitary groups, created and funded by Kolomoyskyi, who think that they are working for national pride, but actually working for a gangster who doesn't have any friends and don't care about nationalities.

Hate maybe too strong of a word, its not like they are obsessed with Russia.

One of my friends was a mig pilot and he got a chance on one of his flights to escape. He walked for 3 weeks through wilderness to get to another country, so if someone was willing to do that we can say they lacked love for Russia...

a reply to: Xtrozero

3 weeks in wilderness sounds like an interesting and rather peaceful experience for a mig pilot. It's surprising that he sounds traumatized by it.

originally posted by: eitea
a reply to: Xtrozero

3 weeks in a wilderness sounds like and interesting and rather peaceful experience for a mig pilot. It's surprising that he sounds traumatized by it.

Perhaps it was the constant fear of russians killing him?

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Didn't his SO's teach him to ditch his military clothing, get civilian clothing and then use rope and magnesium to travel/live through the wilderness where there is very little chance to meet any military opposition? Maybe it's just me, but it seems like he had very good luck that he didn't turn out to be a PoW?

originally posted by: eitea
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Didn't his SO's teach him to ditch his military clothing, get civilian clothing and then use rope and magnesium to travel/live through the wilderness where there is very little chance to meet any military opposition? Maybe it's just me, but it seems like he had very good luck that he didn't turn out to be a PoW?

Or killed.

Training only gets you so far, you still have to deal with all the unexpected things thrown you, and I have no idea how good his training was, not all training (or gear) is the same.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

In Estonia, we have a saying.. if you want to clear your mind and get away from all that crap.. then take a 12 gauge, with birdshots, buckshots and slugs, a pack of salt, a knife and rope, and go chill in the wilderness. Considering how stressful the jobs of active duty mig pilots have, I would consider that they would see it as a vacation.

originally posted by: eitea
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

In Estonia, we have a saying.. if you want to clear your mind and get away from all that crap.. then take a 12 gauge, with birdshots, buckshots and slugs, a pack of salt, a knife and rope, and go chill in the wilderness. Considering how stressful the jobs of active duty mig pilots have, I would consider that they would see it as a vacation.

Many of us do the same thing here for stress relief, including myself, but we bring specific gear and take specific precautions for specific locations, and don't have anyone trying to kill us.

At least I don't.

I hope you don't have russians trying to kill you in Estonia anymore.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Nah, we don't and the trick is in our economy. Our way of living is better then living in Russia, so the ethnic russians or russian speaking people (practically only different on paper) like living here and want to get along with us. And most of us want to do the same with them. Politicians try to stir up some crap, but most go "bwhahaha" on that and still work together. We Estonians are actually quite experienced and tactical in unconventional guerilla warfare, but I know what is the cost of it. If you hide among the civilians, then soon the regular forces of your opposition don't distinguish peaceful civilians from the fighting ones. And that means a lot of blunder, rape and general chaos among peaceful civilians who haven't asked for this fight. So, my idea of peace is to keep open relationships, find common grounds, find common economic interests and just generally get along. That is how I see how our people would be safe.

originally posted by: eitea
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Nah, we don't and the trick is in our economy. Our way of living is better then living in Russia, so the ethnic russians or russian speaking people (practically only different on paper) like living here and want to get along with us. And most of us want to do the same with them. Politicians try to stir up some crap, but most go "bwhahaha" on that and still work together. We Estonians are actually quite experienced and tactical in unconventional guerilla warfare, but I know what is the cost of it. If you hide among the civilians, then soon the regular forces of your opposition don't distinguish peaceful civilians from the fighting ones. And that means a lot of blunder, rape and general chaos among peaceful civilians who haven't asked for this fight. So, my idea of peace is to keep open relationships, find common grounds, find common economic interests and just generally get along. That is how I see how our people would be safe.

While I agree with all of your post, I also feel compelled to remind you that economic success is exactly why russia had a problem with Ukraine in the first place.

Well, that and wanting certain valuable parts of Ukrainian territory for itself of course.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Ukraine had one of the worst economic success of all the former soviet countries. And it's such a shame, because most of them are hardworking people and they have a lot of natural resources. The problem has been with their government/gangsters leading their country. Most who have been past heros are now indicted and facing treason. Ukraine to EU is like Mexico to US, but not even Mexico now, but in the 90s. Good people but corruption rules more then in any other european country probably. Read up on Kolomoisky, I'm already getting the fear that I have to do "tactical sleeping" when I mention this name any more lol.

My proposal would be to bring in UN peacekeepers and make as transparent referendums as possible on who wants to belong to where. Then I think that this war would be over.

a reply to: eitea


I appreciate the sentiment, but russia is the head of the UN security council right now, and I don't think any country is interested in sending their citizens to stand between the russian army led by the putin madman making repeated nuke threats and the land he wants to steal for russia.

I bet what you described is what putin thinks is one of his last/best remaining hopes right now though.

It just isn't gonna happen.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

It's my opinion, but if you want peace, then you have to show bravery.
Let's take this to a miniature level. You see to tough guys starting a fight who you both know. Now what do you do? You go in the middle, maybe take couple of hits even but tell everyone to calm the f down and try to remind them that it's better to work together. You don't give one bigger knives and say "go, stab, stab some more, stab with a bigger knife now, go fight!".
Putin isn't a madman, he is just standing for his countries interests. In U.S Bush or Obama weren't also madmen for attacking Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya, they were just after their interests in the region. The world is #ty in that way, I agree, but that's in the world we live in. The best we can do is to try to stop any escalations of conflict. My personal motivation is to keep my country as peaceful as possible, with no warfare or bombing.