Panic in Boris Johnson’s UK as Fully Vaccinated have a higher Covid Hospitalisation-Rate

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
a reply to: chr0naut

Curious; do you think all those domain names and charities that have been set up due to and with covid ' vaccine' harmed people are full of liars? I have read untold personal stories of infertility and messed up menstrual cycles.

But infertility and messed up menstrual cycles have existed in numbers among the population, forever, prior to the vaccines?

And, it was alleged that the vaccines affected fertility since day one of the vaccine availability, well before there would have been any actual observable effect - so you know they were making it up. This has meant that everyone involved with the medicines have been monitoring closely for any possible fertility issues from the vaccines.

So far, there is no sign that the vaccines affect fertility, as is exemplified in the fact that world fertility rates are unchanged in their trajectory after a year of the vaccines, and with double digit percentage uptake of the vaccines among the population.

So, all those websites, and social media groups, with their heart wrenching testimonials, must be full of people who are either lying, or genuinely misdiagnosing the cause, or are genuinely having adverse reaction - most likely, it is a mix of all of these things. But if you believe every single thing on them, without filters, when the aggregate data says something different, then you are applying a personal bias.

I’m genuinely confused on how you came to this conclusion.

The link isn’t working for me so maybe you can provide more information.

It is showing hospitalizations per 100k.

Does that 100k mean 100k vaccinated? And 100k unvaccinated? Or is the 100k mentioned a mixture of vaccinated and unvaccinated?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I don't know anyone who is panicking in the UK.
Life is more or less back to normal.

Honestly mate, as much as I hate some of our government's decisions, I'm grateful that they dropped the ludicrous Covid restrictions.

I feel that voting for Brexit was still worth it.

a reply to: network dude

We can stick with hospitalized at 11 times the rate. Why is that?

a reply to: carewemust

Make a thread then, don't try to derail mine.

Um, OK
By your own post twice as many vaccinated people
are hospitalized than unvaccinated.
Vaccinated 80+ covid hospitalizations per 100,000: 217.88
Unvaccinated 80+ covid hospitalizations per 100,000: 123.5
You realize the numbers are per 100 000, correct?
Your numbers prove the exact opposite of what you are portraying here.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

a reply to: chris_stibrany

Just curious, but would you say you have a 1100% increased risk of hospitalization without the vaccine be considered protection?

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

What I said can't be wrong, it's simply data and math. If you can show where the math is wrong please do.

originally posted by: Chubadda
I’m genuinely confused on how you came to this conclusion.

The link isn’t working for me so maybe you can provide more information.

It is showing hospitalizations per 100k.

Does that 100k mean 100k vaccinated? And 100k unvaccinated? Or is the 100k mentioned a mixture of vaccinated and unvaccinated?

Already asked and answered, I will repost here.

We have the raw figures as well. Total number of hospitalizations.

80+ Vax (95% of the population) - 224 hospitalizations total
80+ unvax (5% of the population) - 147 hospitalizations total

The data shows over 10x more risk of hospitalization for the unvax, yet people are using that exact same page to show how much more likely you are to get sick after vaccination because of the headline and they want it to be true.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Covid restrictions likely did nothing except cause harm. More reasonable precautions that didn't shut down economies and prevent kids from getting developmental needs met would have been better, but it is what it is.

a reply to: abigredneck

By looking at the raw numbers of hospitalized, as I already posted .. twice now, we can see your analysis is wrong. Look 2 posts up from this one and you will see the proof. My analysis is correct, yours is mistaken (understandably so).

I don't know why they chose to present the data this way. Here are the total numbers, not per 100,000.

80+ Vax (95% of the population) - 224 hospitalizations total
80+ unvax (5% of the population) - 147 hospitalizations total

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Covid restrictions likely did nothing except cause harm. More reasonable precautions that didn't shut down economies and prevent kids from getting developmental needs met would have been better,

100% agree.

 but it is what it is.

So far we've got off lightly compared to some countries.

Australia, France, Italy, Canada, just to name a few, have been treated like criminals in their homeland.

As for China, well that is just beyond disturbing.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

China is one country I won't mind seeing causing themselves problems.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
I find it curious how people focus on only one part of the data, that which they think supports their beliefs, and then ignore the rest. So looking at the data here we can deduce two things.
dailyexpose.uk...

1. More vaccinated people are getting hospitalized.
2. Unvaccinated people have a much greater risk of hospitalization.

I made this post in response to another person posting this as an example of how the vaccine is bad, proven by the data. Here are the numbers.

Week 13 data.
Vaccinated 80+ population: 95%
Unvaccinated 80+ population: 5%

Vaccinated 80+ covid hospitalizations per 100,000: 217.88
Unvaccinated 80+ covid hospitalizations per 100,000: 123.5

Unvaccinated 80+ are 10.77x more likely to be hospitalized for Covid than vaccinated 80+

So while there are almost 2x as many hospitalizations in the 80+ vaccinated group, that group comprises 95% of that population.

Nice opening followed by concentration on the 80+ population. Yes, you can make the data say pretty much what you want.

These vaccines were and remain bad at almost every level. I really hope people will be ok, because a lot of those close to me have been vaccinated. My personal opinion is that there will be a terrible long term price.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

I dislike our government, a lot.
I actually think they got some things right with regards to Covid, they got a lot wrong as well.
The lifting of restrictions was overdue.

For balance; I dislike the 'other side' almost as much and doubt they would have handled the pandemic any better.

Things are getting back to 'normal' - whatever 'normal' is?

We do have long standing issues that need addressing rather urgently and we need to ensure that we don't slide into the madness that seems to afflicting our colonial cousins cross the pond.
Discussions for another time and place methinks.

One things certain; we tend not to do panic.

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
But why are the vaccinated ending up in the hospital...and dying from covid?. They're vaccinated, right?

Because the vaccines are real world medicines which don't always protect perfectly, but do protect most of the time.

What alternative medicine or treatment do you have to offer, that is better overall, than vaccination?

You don't even know the ingredients or the effects of the vaccine/s you are pushing.
Admit it

Pfizer:
- mRNA sequence that encodes for the spike protein
- Lipids (including ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3- phosphocholine, and cholesterol)
- Potassium chloride
- Monobasic potassium phosphate
- Sodium chloride
- Dibasic sodium phosphate dehydrate
- Sucrose

AstraZeneca:
- A weakened adenovirus
- the COVID-19 spike glycoprotein 'antigen'
- L-histidine
- L-histidine hydrochloride monohydrate
- Magnesium chloride hexahydrate
- Polysorbate 80
- Ethanol
- Sucrose
- Sodium chloride
- Disodium edetate dihydrate

Moderna:
mRNA (Nucleoside-modified mRNA encoding the viral spike (S) glycoprotein of SARS-CoV-2
Polyethylene glycol (PEG) 2000 dimyristoyl glycerol (DMG)
1,2-distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine
Cholesterol
SM-102 (Proprietary to Moderna)
Thromethamine
Thomethamine hydrocholoride
Acetic acid
Sodium Acetate
Sucrose

However, I'm also sure that not knowing the 'secret formula' for a popular cola, or the 'secret herbs and spices' for particular fried chicken, prevents anyone from consuming them.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Soloprotocol

The vaccine is not 100% protection. Why are the unvaccinated in the hospital and dying at a rate 11 times greater? I answered you, will you answer me?

which is it, are they dying at 11 times the rate, or hospitalized at 11 times the rate, or both?

Soloprotocol clearly said "dying".

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
But why are the vaccinated ending up in the hospital...and dying from covid?. They're vaccinated, right?

Because the vaccines are real world medicines which don't always protect perfectly, but do protect most of the time.

What alternative medicine or treatment do you have to offer, that is better overall, than vaccination?

You don't even know the ingredients or the effects of the vaccine/s you are pushing.
Admit it

However, I'm also sure that not knowing the 'secret formula' for a popular cola, or the 'secret herbs and spices' for particular fried chicken, prevents anyone from consuming them.

Coca Cola and Kentucky Fried Chicken don't have "experimental" before the products they sell.

That's a key difference for me. If KFC came out with experimental extra crispy chicken, I would steer clear. Are they frying it in used motor oil or something?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

A study that is linked within the original study shows that they don't really have a clue...

Early data indicated a reduced neutralizing antibody response to the Omicron variant (5-7). Real world studies have since found reduced effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines with against infection or mild disease with the Omicron variant.(8-10) Receipt of a booster dose
improves protection, however, this appears to wane rapidly from the second month after vaccination (8).

Evidence on protection against severe disease is mixed with some studies suggesting substantially reduced effectiveness against hospitalisation compared to the Delta variant even with booster doses (11, 12) whereas other studies suggest very high levels of effectiveness of over 90% (9, 13, 14). There is currently limited data on the duration of protection against severe disease.

khub.net... ol+study.pdf/d0e803c0-3dd2-0c1b-03b8-0a12fd211980

a reply to: chr0naut

Would you care to show the provenance of your information that the world fertility rates are unaffected I have been looking for the latest data and have been unable to locate any?