Azov And Civilians Beneath The Steel Works

This is one version of the story.

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“They freed us from our peaceful life on our land, not their land, from our beautiful city, from work, from our school, hospital. [...] We have no water or food left, just for a few days. What to feed children? How long will we be here - under these Grads, under the bombing? The children are not sleeping, they are trembling from the Russian Federation. And what about the whole world? Is it watching how Mariupol is being killed?” says women, who are hiding with their children in the basements of Azovstal.

Another version says there is a top secret NATO bioweapons lab under the steel works. Those who do eventually emerge will bring with them the plague.

Russia is said to be offering safe evacuation, with the eyes of the world upon them.

If foreign fighters are there they must know they will be airbrushed out of the picture to avoid the embarrassment of their masters.

a reply to: Kester

Freedom to Ukraine and down with Russia invasion.

Where is the version says there is a top-secret NATO bioweapons lab under the steelworks?

a reply to: andy06shake

Rumour only but a rumour that should be shredded or investigated. There's clearly a lot more at stake than we are being told. The actions on both sides do not make sense, unless it's the eradication of a Valhalla Death Cult who glory in suicide with much collateral damage.

a reply to: Kester

What I'm asking is where you have seen or heard the rumour?

As to what's at stake, as far as i can establish that's Ukraine's freedom and future existence as a nation.

a reply to: Kester

If you want to see how the civilians of Mariupol look like in reality, who spent 2 months in basements without food, water and elementary conditions, then watch the video of Russian war correspondents in Telegram channels.
In these videos, I see clean people with clean hair in clean clothes (including soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine), in rooms where there is electricity (where did the electricity come from in the isolated basements of Azov? You can not talk about generators, by definition they should be on the surface, and there they are a convenient and easy target). And, most importantly, it is not visible that these people are starving. Yesterday, the commander of Azov wrote down his appeal, he looks much more exhausted, dirtier and more exhausted than this soldier, women and children.
Conclusion: an ordinary staged video from any basement in Kyiv with a set of actors.

a reply to: RussianTroll

where did the electricity come from in the isolated basements of Azov?

Ever heard of a diesel generator?

They produce electricity well enough at least for the purposes of lighting a room or heating water so people can wash.

Edit:

You can not talk about generators

We can talk about whatever we choose especially when relevant to the thread and when it answers your queries.

No problem whatsoever with a Diesel generator underground as long as the exhaust fumes are properly vented.

a reply to: Kester
Didn´t hear about a Bio-Lab down there but somewhere i read yesterday that there allegedly is a nuke hidden in a huge bunker complex under the Asovstal factory, brought from Büchel/Germany there.

I don´t know who came up with something like this. Maybe all that is desinformation, something to talk about, to hide that the Asow nazis use civilians as human shields. Enough information out there that Klaus, Georges, Bills and Joes ukrainian neo-SS prevented civilians from leaving Mariupol. Why should they do that if they don´t need them as human shields? Among others greek eyewitnesses told this to their embassy a few weeks ago.

Looks like the western heroes, the fighters for freedom, democracy and fraternity, the Asow nazis, are getting white washed here in the "antifa"-west. I even read an article in the Springer press newspaper Welt online that the Asow nazis are in fact no nazis but that are all lies based only on russian propaganda. No joke. While the picture shown in that article show 5 clean Nazi signs on their flags and equippment... Link to said picture (which was changed in the original article, only two nazi symbols left instead of five but this here is the original picture)

Can it get more 1984 than it already is???
Cheers

a reply to: Kester

There have been a few videos that have come out of there lately. How they are getting them out I am not sure but one showed the wounded. The guy they showed looked like his wounds had turned septic the other video had an Azov guy calling for rescue or for Ukraine to sue for peace.
t.me...
They are desperate. They are trapped.

If they are captured the majority of them will be charged with war crimes or the civilians will tear them apart when they are released to walk back. I have no idea if they would be released to walk but it would be fitting.

I just finished adding subtitles to a video for someone showing Russian SF scouting and finding entrances to the underground facilities. IMO, Kyiv is hoping they don't make it out. After all, it was that group who threatened to kill Zelensky if he tried to make peace with Donbas before the invasion.

a reply to: RussianTroll

It's not just "isolated basements" and there's no easy target. It's a whole complex of bunkers that was designed to survive a nuclear war.

P.S: The world will not forget the murder and rape carried out in your name, under the "blessing" of patriarch Kirill.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: Kester

If you want to see how the civilians of Mariupol look like in reality, who spent 2 months in basements without food, water and elementary conditions, then watch the video of Russian war correspondents in Telegram channels.
In these videos, I see clean people with clean hair in clean clothes (including soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine), in rooms where there is electricity (where did the electricity come from in the isolated basements of Azov? You can not talk about generators, by definition they should be on the surface, and there they are a convenient and easy target). And, most importantly, it is not visible that these people are starving. Yesterday, the commander of Azov wrote down his appeal, he looks much more exhausted, dirtier and more exhausted than this soldier, women and children.
Conclusion: an ordinary staged video from any basement in Kyiv with a set of actors.

First thing I always notice in the Ukrainian propaganda: No one is dirty at all (except the people making the film).

Here is the link to the other video I mentioned. If they have generators it isn't enough for lighting for the wounded.

t.me...

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: RussianTroll

where did the electricity come from in the isolated basements of Azov?

Ever heard of a diesel generator?

They produce electricity well enough at least for the purposes of lighting a room or heating water so people can wash.

Edit:

You can not talk about generators

We can talk about whatever we choose especially when relevant to the thread and when it answers your queries.

No problem whatsoever with a Diesel generator underground as long as the exhaust fumes are properly vented.

A diesel generator in a basement?Great way to poison everyone to death.

a reply to: glen200376

I was thinking the same but maybe there is some convoluted way to run the exhaust above ground without giving away their position on thermals or building up a harmful amount of carbon in pipes cooling the exhaust.

It may be possible but unlikely.

a reply to: glen200376

A diesel generator in a basement?Great way to poison everyone to death.

Yes, you vent the fumes appropriately glen200376.

Which is plainly evident to anyone with half a brain the same way as you do carbon monoxide via running a gas fire or combination boiler, it's called a rudimentary chimney or flue.

Surely you are not suggesting people that have managed to fight off the Russian armed forces thus far and for all that length of time are not savvy enough to construct simple ducking or pipework?

How do you imagine bunkers and underground facilities are powered under emergency conditions if not via diesel generators pray-tell?

If you’ve ever worked on a ship you would know that all the generators and main propulsion (many diesel powered), are located below decks and exhaust through stacks above decks.

I’m sure Russia is away of all this, didn’t they help in the construction of this steel plant?

It's interesting that the US is reopening the Ukraine embassy.

Source: www.npr.org...

The surest, least controversial way to get the U.S. directly involved, is to get a few US embassy staffers bombed?

a reply to: carewemust

It's interesting that the US is reopening the Ukraine embassy.

Cant see why the UK and some other 23 nations have done the same to something similar.

Diplomatic relations are of obviously importance after all.

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: Kester

If you want to see how the civilians of Mariupol look like in reality, who spent 2 months in basements without food, water and elementary conditions, then watch the video of Russian war correspondents in Telegram channels.
In these videos, I see clean people with clean hair in clean clothes (including soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine), in rooms where there is electricity (where did the electricity come from in the isolated basements of Azov? You can not talk about generators, by definition they should be on the surface, and there they are a convenient and easy target). And, most importantly, it is not visible that these people are starving. Yesterday, the commander of Azov wrote down his appeal, he looks much more exhausted, dirtier and more exhausted than this soldier, women and children.
Conclusion: an ordinary staged video from any basement in Kyiv with a set of actors.

First thing I always notice in the Ukrainian propaganda: No one is dirty at all (except the people making the film).

Of course. You can't expect the crisis actors to miss their morning showers and lattes.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

If they are "crisis actors" as you put it, you have to also wonder why Putin is surrounding the place, closing it off and not letting anybody or anything in?

He sure thinks there are still people down there and a thorn in his side else why all the kerfuffle?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: RussianTroll

where did the electricity come from in the isolated basements of Azov?

Ever heard of a diesel generator?

They produce electricity well enough at least for the purposes of lighting a room or heating water so people can wash.

Edit:

You can not talk about generators

We can talk about whatever we choose especially when relevant to the thread and when it answers your queries.

No problem whatsoever with a Diesel generator underground as long as the exhaust fumes are properly vented.

Imagine the impossible: in Russia, not only have they heard about the diesel generator, but they also produce it in huge quantities.

I advise you to experiment. If you have a garage, then place a diesel generator in it, close all doors and start the generator. In about 10 minutes you will pop out of there all black and with a furious cough.

Imagine that for a diesel generator to work, you need:

1. supply of pure oxygen
2. exhaust gas outlet

If the generator is in the basement, then sooner or later all the people there will be black and suffocated. You can put the generator at the top, and stretch the wires down. But it will immediately become very noticeable to any ground and air means of control and will be destroyed. Simply put, it works too loudly and looks like a very red spot in the thermal imager. Simple goal.

Now that I've finished the lesson for elementary students, let's move on to the dungeons. Azovstal has class A-1 rooms where you can survive a nuclear explosion. But they are very small and there are very few of them. The Russians have all the detailed plans for all underground facilities and communications at Azovstal. Judging by the video, the room on it is class A-3 or A-4, it has only supply and exhaust ventilation, which, judging by the video, does not work. (Americans usually hang strips of material on them that show the inflow and outflow of air. For elementary school students, they are like on air conditioners in homes.)

Such premises of classes A-3 and A-4 are in any city in any other Soviet bomb shelter, not to mention industrial enterprises.

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