Texas woman, 26, charged with murder over ‘self-induced abortion’

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Okay Texas!

Texas DA says murder charge in abortion case will be dropped

District Attorney Gocha Allen Ramirez said Sunday that his office would move to dismiss the charge Monday.

“In reviewing this case, it is clear that Ms. Herrera cannot and should not be prosecuted for the allegation against her,” Ramirez said in a statement.

That’s too bad.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Okay Texas!

Texas DA says murder charge in abortion case will be dropped

District Attorney Gocha Allen Ramirez said Sunday that his office would move to dismiss the charge Monday.

“In reviewing this case, it is clear that Ms. Herrera cannot and should not be prosecuted for the allegation against her,” Ramirez said in a statement.

You should celebrate.

Really.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: scrounger
You want some more info?

Abortion has always existed. The earliest written record of abortion is more than 4,000 years old. Pregnancy has always been accompanied by the seeking and sharing of methods for ending pregnancy. Up until 1821, abortion simply existed and, like pregnancy and other “woman-related” business, was entrusted to midwives and other caregivers.

so has murder, rape, theft, bread, and people having sex (to name a few)... SO WHAT.. just because something has existed for a long time DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT, LEGAL OR OTHERWISE. following your logic lets make (yes extreme example but clear) rape legal because "it always existed and i can prove it".. along with your statement gives ZERO CONTEXT to if it was needed or wanted.. just a general statement then smug narcissitic "im right" attitude. moving to next comment

Instructions for inducing an abortion appear in the Bible. In Numbers 5:11-31, God is described as instructing Moses to present “The Test for an Unfaithful Wife” (NIV) – a ritual to be used by priests against women accused by their husbands of unfaithfulness. The ritual involves the drinking of “bitter water,” a potion that will abort any pregnancies that result from “having sexual relations with a man other than your husband.”

Link

AGAIN no context just another "well it existed and here where else it was" . if you had decided to look at whole context it was a PUNISHMENT for an UNFAITHFUL WIFE that was PROVEN (well as best you can) it wasnt his. so your now advocating blindly following the bible without context . ARE YOU? if you are your a sick person.. if your not your just finding ANYTHING you can remotely attach for your "cause".. sad and intelectually weak. moving on


Stories of women and abortion before Roe v Wade.
Link


sigh.. again STORIES. no full context , emotional baiting and cant debate each situation.. yes some are tragic and WRONG.. alot are not.. but again DOES NOT JUSTIFY KILLING AN INNOCENT LIFE because (outside of rape, incest, save life of mother, severe birth defects) "you just want to"... sigh sad pathetic deflection again.. moving on

Woman asks boyfriend to punch her stomach. This is just one link there are more.
Link

that is called ASSAULT and if child dies by todays laws MURDER.... not an "abortion" and if used as such (if you can PROVE the woman wanted it) then sick non justifiable way.. oh btw today AGAIN abortion is still legal under 6 weeks in TX and legal in other states.. man you just keep up the assininity dont you


And Republicans pushed the law regarding murder and unviable fetuses when the mother is killed. Dems did not as they worried it encroached on abortion, which since there are people using this law as an example, they were right.

It is going to occur among people you know. Women you would not think would have it done. There are even religious people who have it done rather than face the shame of an unplanned pregnancy.

And here is a list of openly pro life Republicans who had mistresses and girlfriends get abortions.
Guardian

and lots of democrats, people with NO POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS, sports stars, rappers, people in hollywood, mayors , plumbers, ect.. sorry but your "playing the republican card" is beyond pathetic and quite childish... along with easily seen though.. man you just keep the ignorant pathetic rants comming

Again any discussion about regulations etc to abortion is a worthwhile conversation, however these bans which can limit an option before the woman even knows she's pregnant or preventing a woman or young girl who's been raped or may die from her pregnancy are awful.

If men were the ones getting pregnant this would never even be an issue.

PROOF REQUIRED.. sorry a canned childish rant is just pathetic..

They have no true knowledge of it.

right men have no idea what an abortion is.. im sorry but this is by far the most ignorant rant so far.. thats saying something

And again, you can support the right of a woman to safe medical care but not actually believe in one for yourself.

im sorry, this is more ignorant than the last . safe medical treatment FOR MEDICAL CONDITION.. not blank check to kill a life because you want to.. big difference. along with at this point can show by majority WOMEN DONT WANT ABORTION ON DEMAND

I'm sorry though, as a mom I would not force my let's say young barely teen or adult daughter to carry a rapists baby, or carry a fetus with no viability(ectopic) that would surely kill her.

boy for emotional ignorant ranting you just keep upping the bar.. the law allows (and in most states as well) an abortion for the VERY SITUATIONS YOU JUST QUOTED. yes some have that view but those are an even smaller minority than the abortion on demand supporters. even the TX law gives these exemptions AND on demand in FIRST SIX WEEKS.. well within an accurate pregancy test positive results you can get CHEAP at any store (even dollar stores) and at times FREE at any state health dept. i have to say this i by far the biggest ignorace you spewed to date..


Look you ranting fool.. you have not been anymore than a record of canned childish ranting overused comments with a healthy amount of cherry picking, mis representing and outright BS.

If you were in the majority then why do you need to go to the supreme court to make law (roe v wade as one) instead of getting an amendment added to the constitution or electing representatives in every state to make abortion on demand/any reason/any time legal.

maybe because outside of the VOLUME you and other supports project (on social media, "protests", ect) your numbers are not as big as you wish.

hence your "cause" is not wanted and while exceptions for MEDICAL reasons are allowed your not gonna get your "abortion on demand/for any reason" is not winning.

that gauls you and all you can do is throw temper tantrums.

your right (and ill defend it) but does not result in anyone having to do what you want

scrounger

a reply to: scrounger

Ummm, you call me a ranting fool and then claim I'm having a temper tantrum?

Can you tell me your experience with being pregnant or miscarriage? I know my first pregnancy I miscarried in the 11th week. I did go to the hospital. If that happened now or with the new laws in the works in other states, I may have to worry I could somehow be charged if they thought I possibly did it to myself?

My 2nd pregnancy I did not know of until after my 6th week. I do not have to explain my cycles to you, but those of us who are have highly irregular cycles often won't know we are immediately pregnant and would miss the 6 week time frame. A scared raped young person may not tell anyone right away, especially if it was at the hand of a family member. Some states are proposing out right bans,including in cases of rape and ectopic pregnancies. Thank goodness for medical care. All 3 of my daughters laid in a transverse position and required c-sections. Maybe we should remove that too so women should only have babies "naturally".

Comparing what a woman does with her own body to rape is pretty low as well. And whether you want to use the fact that abortion was used as a punishment in the Bible does not negate the fact it was used. A Pope did ban it I believe in the 1500s until that was removed sometime later. It was always left up to the woman to make her own determinations about her body until the mid 1800s when evangelical men got involved.

I'm certainly not throwing temper tantrums. I'm trying to explain to you that women are aware that getting rid of pregnancy has always occurred and will occur. The safety of it is just now being removed by men who have no problem having women in their lives use it if the pregnancy is detrimental to them.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: scrounger

Ummm, you call me a ranting fool and then claim I'm having a temper tantrum?

sorry but the "accuse others of what yourself are doing" card has been declined.. next

Can you tell me your experience with being pregnant or miscarriage?

actually i can and provide links as well.. but what does that have to do with KILLING A HEALTHY fetus because you want to?

I know my first pregnancy I miscarried in the 11th week. I did go to the hospital. If that happened now or with the new laws in the works in other states, I may have to worry I could somehow be charged if they thought I possibly did it to myself?


um if you miscarried then it ISNT AN ABORTION.. you wont be charged even in TX with a damn thing.. try either educating yourself or applying the lesson that pre schoolers learn from sememe street "one of these things is not like the other".

My 2nd pregnancy I did not know of until after my 6th week. I do not have to explain my cycles to you, but those of us who are have highly irregular cycles often won't know we are immediately pregnant and would miss the 6 week time frame.

first if you KNOW your "irregular" you still can get a VERY CHEAP pregancy test and check. if that is a real worry for you.. if your really wanting to ABORT A FETUS if you EVER found out your with child then its UP TO YOU TO CHECK.. because if you have sex (unless sterilized) YOU CAN GET PREGNANT. along with hate to point it out you can still go outside tx and get an abortion..


A scared raped young person may not tell anyone right away, especially if it was at the hand of a family member.

and almost all (if not all) provide a "rape" exception... even TEXAS.. so your argument is moot

Some states are proposing out right bans,including in cases of rape and ectopic pregnancies.

first a "proposal" is NOT A LAW.. Show me SPECIFICALLY WHERE AND HOW WORDED this is the case? even texas in the current law states "previous laws still apply" and this and other exceptions are STILL IN.. sorry but your "whataboutism/ could be" card has been declined

Thank goodness for medical care. All 3 of my daughters laid in a transverse position and required c-sections. Maybe we should remove that too so women should only have babies "naturally".


again what you stated ARE NOT ABORTIONS nor fall under the law.. also show EXACLTY WHERE such a proposed law has been put forth.. again with the "what if but comparing apples to bowling balls" card declined due to ranting limit exceeded

Comparing what a woman does with her own body to rape is pretty low as well.

you cant be a prostitute is that rape? you cant take illegal drugs or possess them is that rape? same groups fight against porn (legal done) are they "raping women"?im sorry but your comparisons are getting worse and worse.. along with how dare you mock women who were raped by cheaping the defininition with your arguments to DEFEND KILLING A FETUS

And whether you want to use the fact that abortion was used as a punishment in the Bible does not negate the fact it was used.

so your justifying abortion because it was used AS A PUNISHMENT? really? so your saying abortion is ok for a modern punishment because it was in the bible.. wow when you go off the rails on argument you dont hold back.. so back to the comment.. your saying abortion for punishment is ok...

A Pope did ban it I believe in the 1500s until that was removed sometime later.

so taking it at face value he found ABORTION WRONG (didnt say just for punishment btw) and your ok with it..should you not be consistant and say abortion should still be avalible for punishment..hmmm
It was always left up to the woman to make her own determinations about her body until the mid 1800s when evangelical men got involved.

I'm certainly not throwing temper tantrums. I'm trying to explain to you that women are aware that getting rid of pregnancy has always occurred and will occur.

which they can still get in texas within six weeks just because they want to.. they can get it for rape, incest, medical deformaty (confirmed) and save life of the mother.. if you still want it after six weeks can go to another state... now just because they can does not make it right.. seemed you missed that and the FACT your KILLING A VIABLE FETUS "JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT TO"... funny you refuse to say that.. why i wonder.. the truth hurts?


The safety of it is just now being removed by men who have no problem having women in their lives use it if the pregnancy is detrimental to them.

ahh the last desperate grasp by using "its the mans fault" card.

im sorry but that is the most PATHETIC attempt at justification of them all.


the truth is you want the RIGHT to KILL a healthy fetus just because you dont want it and at anytime during the pregnancy.

it has ZERO to do with "womens health"

the exceptions for rape, incest, deformity (has to be confirmed) and save life of the mother IS IN ALL LAWS i can find (proposals does not count they are NOT LAWS) .

you will attack , rant, cherry pick, twist (no matter how sick) and use things that are no where near the same as abortion to defend your point

to the point of saying if you dont agree with your rantings its "rape"...

the only good thing about your post is shows the true nature of abortion on demand supporters and why you are a MINORITY.. even among women.


scrounger

You do understand it is a bill before a law correct? Which once it passes in the house and senate, the Governors of the states say they will sign it into law.

Two aggressive anti-abortion bills in Oklahoma and Missouri are part of a wave of state-level measures across the United States seeking to sharply restrict access to abortion in the wake of a Texas law that effectively bans the procedure after six weeks.

The bills under consideration in Oklahoma and Missouri come as the fate of Roe v. Wade, which established a constitutional right to abortion in 1973, in the Supreme Court this summer remains unclear. Two of them go even further than Texas’ controversial six-week ban, with provisions that would follow a woman out of state or enact an almost total ban on the procedure.


The Oklahoma Senate last week passed six abortion-limiting bills, including one that mirrors the law passed in Texas and another that would ban abortions after 30 days from a woman’s last period. In Missouri, a number of anti-abortion measures have been introduced, including one that would allow someone to sue anyone who helps a resident get an abortion out of state.

Another Missouri bill, introduced by Republican Representative Brian Seitz, seeks to make manufacturing, producing, or prescribing medical devices or drugs used for abortions “in violation of any state or federal law” a Class B felony, which is punishable by a prison sentence of 5 to 15 years. Also under the bill, anyone who provides medication for the abortion of a pregnancy after 10 weeks or who provides an “abortion” on a woman with an ectopic pregnancy, in addition to other circumstances, would be guilty of a Class A felony, which includes a penalty of 10 years to life in prison.

The bills now move to the Republican-led House for consideration. Oklahoma’s Republican Governor Kevin Stitt has said he would sign any anti-abortion bill that reaches his desk.

Meanwhile, in addition to passing a bill similar to the Texas law, the Oklahoma Senate last week passed a bill that would ban abortions 30 days after a woman’s last period, before most people know they are pregnant. The average woman does not know she is pregnant until after 5 weeks, according to one study.

Boston Globe

In Tennessee:

Unlike the Texas ban, HB 2779 would ban abortion entirely, without a 6-week window and without any exception for rape or incest.

In 2019, 5,796 sexual assaults were reported to Tennessee law enforcement agencies, according to the Tennessee Department of Health. Children ages 14-17 had the highest rate of sexual assault victimization-young 13-year-olds that have become impregnated by a person of power or a family member — I mean rape, incest ... And we're essentially saying, 'Tough luck, honey. We know what's best for you." That, to me, is just appalling."

The attorney, Rejul Bejoy, also noted that the bill would “allow investigators to ask people who lose a pregnancy how it was lost.”

At least 10-20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage, according to the Mayo Clinic.

Today

I am not for on demand abortions. There certainly should be laws and regulations. There has been already.

As you can see these new proposed laws do include investigating miscarriages. I do apologize as you said you know about miscarriage and being pregnant, I was not aware you are a woman.

I'm certainly not the minority as well. 60% of all women support the right to a safe abortion. Close to 90% support it in cases of rape and over 90% support it in regard to the health of a mother.

ETA: You do not believe in any abortion I get that. However we did have laws in effect already and now a certain minority segment is trying to take away that safety. There is no point in going back and forth with you further as your stance is there should be none.

It's more of an unspoken Texas law that she violated.

"Do something we don't like and we'll send you to Huntsville and throw a brick at you."

State really needs to legalize cannabis and chill out.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

If you had read the actual laws, you wouldn't be surprised.

Homicide in Texas specifically does not include a woman who aborts, even intentionally. The SB9 bill that everyone has been so up in arms about does not include criminal penalties (that means one cannot go to jail or be arrested for violating it; they can only be sued by another person). This case was never going to result in a conviction.

What has happened is that this poor woman now has a pretty much iron-clad case to sue the sheriff's department into oblivion plus three days. A bunch of officers will likely lose their jobs, and could... not will but could... be hit with criminal charges themselves for false arrest. Personally, I won't shed a single tear or lose one millisecond's sleep if that happens. They broke the law and abused their authority.

There will always be zealots who go too far. It doesn't matter if it's over abortion, voting, or jaywalking. It is going to happen. When it does happen, the purpose of the law is to right the wrong. It appears that this DA has realized that there is a wrong here to be righted and he's smack dab on the wrong side of it. That's the first step; future steps are up to the victim.

This is also why laws need to be specific. That has been the basis of most of my concerns: laws which play to emotion rather than specific acts. You want all abortion legal? Pass a law that says so! Relying on a vague Supreme Court ruling which tried to legislate from the bench is never going to work in the long term, and that is why Roe v Wade must be struck down and replaced with an actual law. Otherwise, there will continue to be atrocities like this, on both sides of the issue.

TheRedneck

a reply to: CloneFarm1000

It's more of an unspoken Texas law that she violated.

There is no such thing as an "unspoken law." An action is either illegal or it isn't, based solely on what the law says in writing.

The only law broken here was that she was arrested in the first place. No "feels" required; no "feels" needed; no "feels" wanted.

TheRedneck

a reply to: MiddleInsite

I hope that child abuse and murder does become less safe for the abuser and murders.

There wouldn't be a debate if she just went to a different State. How much does a bus ticket cost?

There also wouldn't be a debate if he wore a condom. Don't they sell those in Texas.

There wouldn't be debate if she just said no to him.

3 different solutions to a problem that didn't have to happen.

Maybe it's best she didn't have a kid with parents so dumb.

It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist.

Jezzus.

originally posted by: TzarChasm


You forgot to say "please"

Manners cost nothing

originally posted by: frogs453
You do understand it is a bill before a law correct? Which once it passes in the house and senate, the Governors of the states say they will sign it into law.

Two aggressive anti-abortion bills in Oklahoma and Missouri are part of a wave of state-level measures across the United States seeking to sharply restrict access to abortion in the wake of a Texas law that effectively bans the procedure after six weeks.

The bills under consideration in Oklahoma and Missouri come as the fate of Roe v. Wade, which established a constitutional right to abortion in 1973, in the Supreme Court this summer remains unclear. Two of them go even further than Texas’ controversial six-week ban, with provisions that would follow a woman out of state or enact an almost total ban on the procedure.


The Oklahoma Senate last week passed six abortion-limiting bills, including one that mirrors the law passed in Texas and another that would ban abortions after 30 days from a woman’s last period. In Missouri, a number of anti-abortion measures have been introduced, including one that would allow someone to sue anyone who helps a resident get an abortion out of state.

Another Missouri bill, introduced by Republican Representative Brian Seitz, seeks to make manufacturing, producing, or prescribing medical devices or drugs used for abortions “in violation of any state or federal law” a Class B felony, which is punishable by a prison sentence of 5 to 15 years. Also under the bill, anyone who provides medication for the abortion of a pregnancy after 10 weeks or who provides an “abortion” on a woman with an ectopic pregnancy, in addition to other circumstances, would be guilty of a Class A felony, which includes a penalty of 10 years to life in prison.

The bills now move to the Republican-led House for consideration. Oklahoma’s Republican Governor Kevin Stitt has said he would sign any anti-abortion bill that reaches his desk.

Meanwhile, in addition to passing a bill similar to the Texas law, the Oklahoma Senate last week passed a bill that would ban abortions 30 days after a woman’s last period, before most people know they are pregnant. The average woman does not know she is pregnant until after 5 weeks, according to one study.

Boston Globe

In Tennessee:

Unlike the Texas ban, HB 2779 would ban abortion entirely, without a 6-week window and without any exception for rape or incest.

In 2019, 5,796 sexual assaults were reported to Tennessee law enforcement agencies, according to the Tennessee Department of Health. Children ages 14-17 had the highest rate of sexual assault victimization-young 13-year-olds that have become impregnated by a person of power or a family member — I mean rape, incest ... And we're essentially saying, 'Tough luck, honey. We know what's best for you." That, to me, is just appalling."

The attorney, Rejul Bejoy, also noted that the bill would “allow investigators to ask people who lose a pregnancy how it was lost.”

At least 10-20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage, according to the Mayo Clinic.

Today


given YOURSELF has not accurately stated what the texas law is and even worse than you the MAIN STREAM PRESS has not EVER presented abortion laws correctly.. i dont buy the claims you have shown here.. much less believe your sources have either.. even IF what you stated here is true NOT ONE IS THE LAW.. in fact they are STILL IN DEBATES. the final law most likely would be different than even what your claiming.. but again i bet dollas to donuts your claims are BS.. much less things like "no exceptions for rape and incest" would ever pass today.. even the Texas law doesnt do away with this.


I am not for on demand abortions. There certainly should be laws and regulations. There has been already.


oh that comment is a WOPPER of a lie but not unexpected. your previous rants and posts more that prove this. next comment

As you can see these new proposed laws do include investigating miscarriages. I do apologize as you said you know about miscarriage and being pregnant, I was not aware you are a woman.

first IM NOT BUYING that is what the law says.. but for sake of argument they are INVESTIGATING why there was a miscarriage. could it be to see if there was an exterior factor (like water supply) that could be dealt with.. or the mother was a crack head and sorry virginia that is a crime now with few people supporting the mother. as for "are you a woman" that is canned old rantings.. you dont have to be a "woman" to say outlaw prostitution now do you? or a woman to say she cannot kill her own children do you? your "your not a woman" card has been revoked for overuse.. oh BTW A WOMAN in roe v wade NOW ADMITS it was a mistake and anti ABORTION ON DEMAND.. Now what your rantings?

I'm certainly not the minority as well. 60% of all women support the right to a safe abortion.

sorry but "safe abortion" and "abortion on demand at any time" are two different concepts... moving on

Close to 90% support it in cases of rape and over 90% support it in regard to the health of a mother.

which is IN ALMOST IF NOT ALL ABORTION LAWS TODAY IN ALL STATES. EVEN IN TEXAS.. so there is what they want in.. AGAIN what you stated IS NOT ABORTION ON DEMAND/ ANY TIME. again and again you play the "one of these things is not like the other" as proof of your point..

ETA: You do not believe in any abortion I get that.

show EXACTLY WHERE myself or ANYONE CHALLENGING YOU has stated this.. still waiting..


However we did have laws in effect already and now a certain minority segment is trying to take away that safety.

sigh.. AGAIN show me EXACTLY WHERE IN THE LAW that it is LEGAL to an unsafe LEGAL ABORTION. in fact ILLEGAL ABORTIONS (aka your back alley) ARE ILLEGAL AND PROVIDER CAN BE PUNISHED... so again your ranting "your taking away from safety" is a bold face LIE, not even propoganda at this point.

There is no point in going back and forth with you further as your stance is there should be none.

and the childish school yard version of "says you" and takes your ball stomping home
proven nothing and clearly called out.

scrounger

btw there is ZERO stopping you (if you feel so strongly) from YOU PAYING FOR a bus, plane or driving those women in need across texas state lines to get them an abortion..

a reply to: scrounger

Actually the Oklahoma bill was signed into law by the Governor this week it will go into effect in 90 days. There is no provision for those raped.

makes an exception only for an abortion performed to save the life of the mother.

“We want to outlaw abortion in the state of Oklahoma,” Stitt said during a signing ceremony for the bill, flanked by anti-abortion lawmakers, clergy and students. “I promised Oklahomans that I would sign every pro-life bill that hits my desk, and that’s what we’re doing here today.”

The new Texas law, the most restrictive anti-abortion law to take effect in the U.S. in decades, leaves enforcement up to private citizens, who are entitled to collect what critics call a “bounty” of $10,000 if they bring a successful lawsuit against a provider or anyone who helps a patient obtain an abortion.

AP

I have provided links to the other bills to be voted on that are even more restrictive including investigating miscarriage. If you choose not to believe them, then feel free to pull the bill pdfs yourself.

I have certainly provided information and links to consistently back up my claims Have you? There is no "take my ball and go home". When you have provided no refuting information and links. You screech and insult.

a reply to: frogs453

wow you didnt even research the law....


i did.. wanna bet what i found?

THERE IS NO BANNING ABORTION FOR CASES OF RAPE

What it does say (and i dont agree with btw) that if the pregnancy is after a specific time (formation of the fetus) the mother LIKE ANYONE ELSE WANTING AN ABORTION has to have a sonogram and the result shown to the mother..

DOES NOT SAY IF RAPED YOU CANT GET AN ABORTION..

now i DONT AGREE with if its confirmed rape (damn well be willing to press charges not just claim it to get one) they have to go though this...

but it does NOT BAN ABORTION FOR RAPE VICTIMS..


like i said.. you have not been ACCURATE OR FACTUAL ONCE on the texas law and continue on this


called out again..

scrounger

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Women should keep thier knees together, or die trying. ... Men should absolutely be killed for rape.
A "woman" had/has "sex", ...and a human baby comes from it?... Who would have ever thought that was possible?

Killing human babies, because they're "inconvenient"? Yeah, that's murder. And should be treated as such.

"But she/they, don't want the baby"!...So it is okay to kill it!

It's "illegal", or "barbarism", to kill/murder, anyone stealing your catalytic converter (depending on your voting block). In which case? You'd be a "criminal" or "uncivilized" for driving your car, either way.... At the least you're going to be "fined".

But killing "unwanted" human babies? Apparently, is okay.👍 Got it!

The world would be such a better place if "Liberal thinkers", got so depressed,.. they just abort themselves.

"Civilizations", need "standards" and a "constitution".

Good, it IS murder

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Women should keep thier knees together, or die trying. ... Men should absolutely be killed for rape.
A "woman" had/has "sex", ...and a human baby comes from it?... Who would have ever thought that was possible?

Killing human babies, because they're "inconvenient"? Yeah, that's murder. And should be treated as such.

"But she/they, don't want the baby"!...So it is okay to kill it!

It's "illegal", or "barbarism", to kill/murder, anyone stealing your catalytic converter (depending on your voting block). In which case? You'd be a "criminal" or "uncivilized" for driving your car, either way.... At the least you're going to be "fined".

But killing "unwanted" human babies? Apparently, is okay.👍 Got it!

The world would be such a better place if "Liberal thinkers", got so depressed,.. they just abort themselves.

"Civilizations", need "standards" and a "constitution".

PREACH!

I don't understand why a large section of society thinks abortion is ok... to me it sends a message that human life does not matter as much as peoples motives.

If they had practiced birth control...and been a responsible human being there would be no ending the life of an innocent unborn child.

I think people should carry the fetus to full term and adopt the baby out to a good family.