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The Great Lie of 2003
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Originally posted by ShadowHasNoSource
How can you people just sit around when it's obvious the British had a hand in bringing about the Civil War! I know it's difficult to comprehend but believe me. It's a conspiracy.
I always thought that this was true. The reason for invading a lie, all planned long ago. Remember that intelligence that the British supposedly came up with about Saddam acquiring uranium from Niger? That so-called intelligence came from BushCo. through the CIA. It was a lie fed to Britain because then when announced to the American people the lie would be more pallatable. I say Blair was in on it from the start.
I hope he gets the boot, but good on May 5.
Originally posted by wang
I think this thread is really useless, of course 99% of ATS know that the intelligence reports were false and that the war was pre-planned, so whats the point of this?
By the way, if anyone wants to stop the NWO with such great passion, writing posts on a forum aint going to do anything.....
The world is more corrupt than anyone on here can even imagine, the depths of corruption are endless. Now what are we going to do about this? Start useless posts depicting the obvious? Or pick up arms and get rid of the weed of corruption? But hey even if all anti-nwo surporters do this....im sure the world would decay into anarchy for awhile, and for awhile people will experience "FREE WILL" then decide again that free will is over rated and that we should start up a commuinty meeting (tribal council) to figure out a way to protect their children from the people who are robbing and killing in the anarchy state. Then this community meeting (tribal council) will become bigger, and befor you know it, it will become like a ancient greek democracy, then maybe a republic where this community we will need seek out new land and resources. Then a monarchy, then a communist state, then what we have now a "democracy" or as i like to call it a elitist monarchy. Then this elite will start thinking of globalization.
My point to this is, its all a circle. Whats happening now has happend befor and will happen again. So just go with the flow of things cause you cannot change anything.
Ohh by the way under anarchy is the only time you experience free will.....dont be conned by all of bushs speechs, you dont have free will, your choices are made for you.
not picking at this post, but your reasoning is why the cycle continues. you are right that no one person can make a change, but that's just one person. don't know who said it, but "there are power in numbers." I know there are more people in your city than there are police in that city. I understand people walk around with the Bush shades on, but if shown to the majority, like the 9/11 report, then there can be a change. everything the way it is right now is fine. as far as how the economy works and things of that nature. but you have those in power who are corrupting and destorying the foundation. I calm them the paganettes. but like I said, I'll work on showing the truth while you just wait and watch.
Originally posted by killuminatinow
so with all that said, somebody knows somebody that knows somebody. can you tie this in biblically? if so, maybe that's the point. I mean, if we can't stop it, what is the only other solution. alerting and saving souls? cause it's really about beating the devil at his own game........since his rule of the world is coming to an end..........as always, just curious...........
There are many levels of human spiritual evolution playing out right now. It's not our place to stop the lessons that other people may need to learn.
So what to do?
-Extract your mind from the human hive mind.
-Speak with others of your level.
-Slowly cut off the influence of those not of your level. Like attracts Like.
-Learn from the "devil". Why else would we be here right?
-Learn the tricks.
-Learn the operating procedure.
-Learn how to enslave minds.
This learning will offer protection if used properly.
If you feel like "saving souls" go for it. Just remember that a large part of the populations are not ready for the information and won't be. You have to be able to know who is ready. If you go around giving info that people aren't ready for you risk hindering their path. Basically, you will find that those prone to be awake now, already are. You'll find that you can only preach to the choir. Then it becomes pointless. So just enjoy the company of those that have already shown themselves ready and don't waste energy on those that haven't.
There's so much more. Just quiet the mind and observe. Heaven is already on Earth. You just have to be able to see it.
Originally posted by ShadowHasNoSource
Originally posted by killuminatinow
so with all that said, somebody knows somebody that knows somebody. can you tie this in biblically? if so, maybe that's the point. I mean, if we can't stop it, what is the only other solution. alerting and saving souls? cause it's really about beating the devil at his own game........since his rule of the world is coming to an end..........as always, just curious...........
There are many levels of human spiritual evolution playing out right now. It's not our place to stop the lessons that other people may need to learn.
So what to do?
-Extract your mind from the human hive mind.
-Speak with others of your level.
-Slowly cut off the influence of those not of your level. Like attracts Like.
-Learn from the "devil". Why else would we be here right?
-Learn the tricks.
-Learn the operating procedure.
-Learn how to enslave minds.
This learning will offer protection if used properly.
If you feel like "saving souls" go for it. Just remember that a large part of the populations are not ready for the information and won't be. You have to be able to know who is ready. If you go around giving info that people aren't ready for you risk hindering their path. Basically, you will find that those prone to be awake now, already are. You'll find that you can only preach to the choir. Then it becomes pointless. So just enjoy the company of those that have already shown themselves ready and don't waste energy on those that haven't.
There's so much more. Just quiet the mind and observe. Heaven is already on Earth. You just have to be able to see it.
I must admit, learn from the devil is interesting, but wrong. and I already know, and have been reminded in other posts, that people won't get it. they can't see it and they choose not to. when I came to terms with the fact that the rapture will happen, but the majority won't believe it, I just speak to those who have ears to listen. if I happen to chase anyone away, when they hit that wall, they will remember what has been said. so I'm not worried about those people. just the ones that have ears open. because regardless, time is short, anyway you put it. and in your what to do list, I don't see any action. do you think action is out of the question? and when I say action, I don't mean picking up a sign and walking in a circle.
Originally posted by killuminatinow
I must admit, learn from the devil is interesting, but wrong.
If you don't learn how will you protect yourself? Just a thought.
and in your what to do list, I don't see any action. do you think action is out of the question? and when I say action, I don't mean picking up a sign and walking in a circle.
Picking up a sign and walking in a circle is about as far as you'll get. Actions beyond this can be viewed as conspiracy against the State and may be dealt with accordingly.
You can act in favor our your own safety and happiness though. I take those actions myself. But those actions are not illegal.
I'm not telling anyone what to do. I just want people to think about the situation objectively. If times are going to be as bad as it seems there are people that will need your strength. You won't be any good to anyone in jail or worse.
[edit on 4-6-2005 by ShadowHasNoSource]
I hear ya. I am taking actions to protect myself and family as well.
Originally posted by wang
I think this thread is really useless, of course 99% of ATS know that the intelligence reports were false and that the war was pre-planned, so whats the point of this?
By the way, if anyone wants to stop the NWO with such great passion, writing posts on a forum aint going to do anything.....
The world is more corrupt than anyone on here can even imagine, the depths of corruption are endless. Now what are we going to do about this? Start useless posts depicting the obvious? Or pick up arms and get rid of the weed of corruption? But hey even if all anti-nwo surporters do this....im sure the world would decay into anarchy for awhile, and for awhile people will experience "FREE WILL" then decide again that free will is over rated and that we should start up a commuinty meeting (tribal council) to figure out a way to protect their children from the people who are robbing and killing in the anarchy state. Then this community meeting (tribal council) will become bigger, and befor you know it, it will become like a ancient greek democracy, then maybe a republic where this community we will need seek out new land and resources. Then a monarchy, then a communist state, then what we have now a "democracy" or as i like to call it a elitist monarchy. Then this elite will start thinking of globalization.
My point to this is, its all a circle. Whats happening now has happend befor and will happen again. So just go with the flow of things cause you cannot change anything.
Ohh by the way under anarchy is the only time you experience free will.....dont be conned by all of bushs speechs, you dont have free will, your choices are made for you.
Wang, wang, wang....GREAT POST! It's nice to see some of the FIRE returning to ATS. Your post reminds me of an old Sufi Saying - "Quit this world, quit the next world, quit quitting"
Two other thoughts occured to me when reading your post:
The first was that in a true "state of anarchy"...it is possible that the majority of people would voluntarily choose to cooperate as oppsed to compete. Yes, things are circular but there has NEVER been a true state of anarchy...and think about it with all of the technological advances we now have....think about how much fun could be had!
The second thought I had was that even if sociological patterns were circular...it steams engines when it's steam engine time, and that time has come....
don't fight the flow, rather allow it to support...
you.
Things might not get any better until we learn how to break our conditioned head habits and get off this 8000-mile-gravity-well and into outer space...where there's room to breathe
There is no enemy anywhere - Lao Tse
LOL LOL LOL
Coming back to this some years later,
I guess it wasn't the Great Lie of 2003
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOL
Coming back to this some years later,
I guess it wasn't the Great Lie of 2003
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOL
Bush wasn't head of the CIA, George Tenet was, and is. Tenet is a great Director and was actually appointed to his position by Clinton. He does his
job well regardless of who's in office.
The CIA did not politicize intelligence. They goofed on the WMDs -- but so did every intelligence agency of our allies. The MI6, agencies in Europe, Russia, etc, all believed that Hussein had WMDs as well. It just happened that all were wrong. Intelligence is not an exact craft, and sometimes there are mistake.
To blame Bush for that, or to insinuate that the CIA politicized the intelligence to spawn a war, is just plain ignorant.
The CIA did not politicize intelligence. They goofed on the WMDs -- but so did every intelligence agency of our allies. The MI6, agencies in Europe, Russia, etc, all believed that Hussein had WMDs as well. It just happened that all were wrong. Intelligence is not an exact craft, and sometimes there are mistake.
To blame Bush for that, or to insinuate that the CIA politicized the intelligence to spawn a war, is just plain ignorant.
Oh dear, time to deny ignorance...
George Tenet
... so he hasn't been the director for well over 2 years. And he rolled over on his own analysts under political pressure from Rumsfeld et al when he described the "evidence" against Saddam as a "slam-dunk case". He now denies using these words, though I remember seeing an interview with someone who was at the meeting when he said it.
And George Bush, Sr., was the director of the CIA from 1976-77.
As for the whole business of "politicising the intelligence", it didn't come from the CIA, it came directly from the White House, and it affected not just the CIA, but the Pentagon. Karen Kwiatkowski has become well-known for her insider commentary on what happened within the Pentagon, as ideologues were placed in positions of power and dissenting views from the prevailing orthodoxy were silenced.
The co-ordinating committee that "stovepiped" unvalidated data on Iraq was known as the Office of Special Plans.
It looked for information - no matter how unreliable the source - that supported the view that Iraq was a threat and had WMDs, and filtered out dissenting voices. This was all well-documented (though not often spoken of) at the time.
As for other intelligence agencies - only two helped. Britain compiled what became known as "the dodgy dossier". Within 24 hours of its release, British journalists (so much more on the ball than their US counterparts, who treat everything their government says as shiny fact) had rumbled it as a palimpsest of a graduate student's thesis that was over ten years old, with additional, "sexed-up" language from No.10 spin doctor Alastair Campbell. It was a laughing-stock over here, but that didn't stop the White House holding it up as "credible intelligence".
Italy's intelligence service forged the terrible yellowcake uranium purchase orders which made their way into the 2003 State of the Union address despite being revealed as forgeries by the IAEA and the CIA.
The Russians were helping Saddam and didn't consider him a threat. Russia had signed contracts to become partners in exploiting a massive, previously untapped oilfield just before the invasion. I remember when the invasion was going on, you could find Russian intel reports to the Iraqis actually posted in translation on the net, which was rather wonderful. You could read this stuff, get some inside skinny, and then see the US propaganda version pop up on CNN. It was funny. There was one point that the generals were all really angry with Rumsfeld, and there were transcriptions of radio conversations to support this... and the CNN version was this tiny, muted echo of what the conversations were like.
[edit on 11-12-2006 by rich23]
George Tenet
Citing "personal reasons," Tenet submitted his resignation to the President on June 3, 2004
... so he hasn't been the director for well over 2 years. And he rolled over on his own analysts under political pressure from Rumsfeld et al when he described the "evidence" against Saddam as a "slam-dunk case". He now denies using these words, though I remember seeing an interview with someone who was at the meeting when he said it.
And George Bush, Sr., was the director of the CIA from 1976-77.
As for the whole business of "politicising the intelligence", it didn't come from the CIA, it came directly from the White House, and it affected not just the CIA, but the Pentagon. Karen Kwiatkowski has become well-known for her insider commentary on what happened within the Pentagon, as ideologues were placed in positions of power and dissenting views from the prevailing orthodoxy were silenced.
The co-ordinating committee that "stovepiped" unvalidated data on Iraq was known as the Office of Special Plans.
It looked for information - no matter how unreliable the source - that supported the view that Iraq was a threat and had WMDs, and filtered out dissenting voices. This was all well-documented (though not often spoken of) at the time.
As for other intelligence agencies - only two helped. Britain compiled what became known as "the dodgy dossier". Within 24 hours of its release, British journalists (so much more on the ball than their US counterparts, who treat everything their government says as shiny fact) had rumbled it as a palimpsest of a graduate student's thesis that was over ten years old, with additional, "sexed-up" language from No.10 spin doctor Alastair Campbell. It was a laughing-stock over here, but that didn't stop the White House holding it up as "credible intelligence".
Italy's intelligence service forged the terrible yellowcake uranium purchase orders which made their way into the 2003 State of the Union address despite being revealed as forgeries by the IAEA and the CIA.
The Russians were helping Saddam and didn't consider him a threat. Russia had signed contracts to become partners in exploiting a massive, previously untapped oilfield just before the invasion. I remember when the invasion was going on, you could find Russian intel reports to the Iraqis actually posted in translation on the net, which was rather wonderful. You could read this stuff, get some inside skinny, and then see the US propaganda version pop up on CNN. It was funny. There was one point that the generals were all really angry with Rumsfeld, and there were transcriptions of radio conversations to support this... and the CNN version was this tiny, muted echo of what the conversations were like.
[edit on 11-12-2006 by rich23]
Originally posted by southern_cross3
Bush wasn't head of the CIA, George Tenet was, and is. Tenet is a great Director and was actually appointed to his position by Clinton. He does his job well regardless of who's in office.
He wasn't, but his father was.
The CIA did not politicize intelligence. They goofed on the WMDs -- but so did every intelligence agency of our allies. The MI6, agencies in Europe, Russia, etc, all believed that Hussein had WMDs as well. It just happened that all were wrong. Intelligence is not an exact craft, and sometimes there are mistake.
If they all knew he had them, when did they all know that small bit of information?
To blame Bush for that, or to insinuate that the CIA politicized the intelligence to spawn a war, is just plain ignorant.
Plain Ignorant, i don't know if i would use those words. But it's a free country, rock on.
As I am [probably] the only Brit to read this claptrap about blame for the invasion of Iraq the second time, I would like to make the following
points.
1. GW Bush Snr started a war with Iraq because that nasty Saddam invaded Kuwait - the ultimate prize for winning the Iran - Iraq War, which the USA never thought he would win.
2. GWB Snr went on world TV and told Saddam that if he used chemical or biological weapons - he [supposedly, the UN] would respond with nuclear weapons. No mention of WMDs.
3. GW1 won in a couple of weeks - Saddam forced to destroy stocks of bio and chemical weapons. No WMDs found.
4. UN Weapons inspections start and no fly zones established north and south over Iraq.
5. No WMDs found. No 'illegal' flights in to Iraq carrying WMDs from previous allies.
6. Weapons inspectors find former bio and chemical weapons site, but stocks destroyed or encased in concrete. No WMDs found.
7. Colin Powell addresses the UN Security Council [allegedly] holding a small vial of Anthrax, claiming Saddam has and is manufacturing WMDs. No WMDs found.
8. UN passes resolution telling Saddam not to be so naughty. No WMDs found.
9. Saddam says bollocks to UN [GWB Jnr] and continues to manufacture phantom WMDs which are never found.
10. GWB Jnr asks for but does not receive 2nd ultimation to get that nasty Saddam to stop manufacturing WMDs, which are never found because there are no WMDs.
11. Build up of UK/US forces starts in ME. No WMDs found.
12. Tony [call me Mr President] Blair goes on UK TV saying, 'You know what fellas? That bloody Saddam has been lying to us all this time. Not only has he got WMDs hidden all over Iraq, but he can launch the bloody things, using missiles that can reach us in 45 minutes'. Still no WMDs found.
12. Weapons inspectors kicked out of Iraq by the nasty Saddam because they've found no WMDs.
13. GW2 kicks off with the ever so nasty Saddam promising a 'Mother of all battles!' Unfortunately, his Republican Guards think otherwise and they bugger off, as does the nasty Saddam. Nut no WMDs are found.
14. Shock news a few weeks after the occupation of Iraq - no WMDs are found.
15. That very nasty Saddam is found hiding in a cellar in a house, but does not have Iraq's WMDs with him.
16. Saddam put on trial because he won't say what he's done with Iraq's WMDs. 'But we never had any', sobs Saddam and still no WMDs are found.
17. Saddam handed over to Iraqi justice system and eventually hanged after a year. But no WMDs are ever found.
18. Bush but not Blair, condemns Saddam's execution.
19. Well GWB Jnr got what he wanted - well almost because there still aren't any WMDs.
So my friends, please don't blame us Brits for the war. You Yanks have got what your leaders wanted, another Holy Crusade against the nasty Muslims.
Always remember your country like your lapdogs the UK, help to arm and train Saddam's war machine and the Taleban.
The Holy Bible says, 'As ye sow, so shall ye reap!'
No WMDs found.
1. GW Bush Snr started a war with Iraq because that nasty Saddam invaded Kuwait - the ultimate prize for winning the Iran - Iraq War, which the USA never thought he would win.
2. GWB Snr went on world TV and told Saddam that if he used chemical or biological weapons - he [supposedly, the UN] would respond with nuclear weapons. No mention of WMDs.
3. GW1 won in a couple of weeks - Saddam forced to destroy stocks of bio and chemical weapons. No WMDs found.
4. UN Weapons inspections start and no fly zones established north and south over Iraq.
5. No WMDs found. No 'illegal' flights in to Iraq carrying WMDs from previous allies.
6. Weapons inspectors find former bio and chemical weapons site, but stocks destroyed or encased in concrete. No WMDs found.
7. Colin Powell addresses the UN Security Council [allegedly] holding a small vial of Anthrax, claiming Saddam has and is manufacturing WMDs. No WMDs found.
8. UN passes resolution telling Saddam not to be so naughty. No WMDs found.
9. Saddam says bollocks to UN [GWB Jnr] and continues to manufacture phantom WMDs which are never found.
10. GWB Jnr asks for but does not receive 2nd ultimation to get that nasty Saddam to stop manufacturing WMDs, which are never found because there are no WMDs.
11. Build up of UK/US forces starts in ME. No WMDs found.
12. Tony [call me Mr President] Blair goes on UK TV saying, 'You know what fellas? That bloody Saddam has been lying to us all this time. Not only has he got WMDs hidden all over Iraq, but he can launch the bloody things, using missiles that can reach us in 45 minutes'. Still no WMDs found.
12. Weapons inspectors kicked out of Iraq by the nasty Saddam because they've found no WMDs.
13. GW2 kicks off with the ever so nasty Saddam promising a 'Mother of all battles!' Unfortunately, his Republican Guards think otherwise and they bugger off, as does the nasty Saddam. Nut no WMDs are found.
14. Shock news a few weeks after the occupation of Iraq - no WMDs are found.
15. That very nasty Saddam is found hiding in a cellar in a house, but does not have Iraq's WMDs with him.
16. Saddam put on trial because he won't say what he's done with Iraq's WMDs. 'But we never had any', sobs Saddam and still no WMDs are found.
17. Saddam handed over to Iraqi justice system and eventually hanged after a year. But no WMDs are ever found.
18. Bush but not Blair, condemns Saddam's execution.
19. Well GWB Jnr got what he wanted - well almost because there still aren't any WMDs.
So my friends, please don't blame us Brits for the war. You Yanks have got what your leaders wanted, another Holy Crusade against the nasty Muslims.
Always remember your country like your lapdogs the UK, help to arm and train Saddam's war machine and the Taleban.
The Holy Bible says, 'As ye sow, so shall ye reap!'
No WMDs found.
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