How do people with IQs of 140 - 200 think?

Wow, excellent thread topic.. I greet you from humble 146.. .. have had the same emotional issues, digressions, and arguments... as far as my social being, but have existed 10 yrs past high school .. with a few learned lessons.'

Trust your instinct yes, trust proverbs faster, but people are people..
They agree with you, based off instinct, but explain it again...

My whole live I solve problems faster than anyone I have come across, except my father who is always right and never wrong.

I will say it again I solve problems faster than anyone I know, it is my knack my desire even, what is the situation?? OK here is what we know, and here is how we gt to where we want to be,

I was told I was gifted young, I believe it time and time again... but like someone said (I can relate so well), I look for avenues that allow me to be less thinking, creative, less life-changing.. and no I am not a junkie either..

Like I said earlier I have experienced the same griefs as others who posted here before me/ I guess like most we have not mastered our abilities, or even recognized our common abilitiies .. but I will rest this on a humblenote, HOW ARE OUR BRAINIACS DOING? ..

good topic nonetheless.you got my two cents.

Originally posted by LiquidationOfDiscrepancy
How do geniuses with IQ's Of 140 - 200 think? How do you geniuses feel emotionally, socially, and what are your ideologies in life?
I would like to hear from posters who have official test results, and other forms of IQ test.



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Well, LiquidatonOf Discrepancy, I don't know what you know about intelligence but an IQ of 140 or more is in the thrid standard deviation of the range of intelligence for White Americans. So, you are looking at about one or two percent on the high side (third stand. dev. also includes morons on the low side). I really doubt that anyone here has an IQ of 200. I am old and have met alot of people but nobody with a 200 IQ. inspite of all their MENSA claims.

Hey,
Sorry i forgot your more personal question about our ideals, emotions, etc.
I use to feel extremely alone, and i was often very depressed, mostly b/c of my parents though, rather than society. I isolated myself from other kids sometimes so that i could read or research, or something else.
In school, my grades have always been B average, i could never stay focused long enough, not because im dumb, but because like i said before, i think alot. Pretend were talking about black holes in class, i trail off the moment the teacher mentions them, and off i go into my wide range of theories. (i have actually managed to write down sum of my black hole theories) This is why i never made great grades. I no longer feel lonely, except at random moments, for w/e reasons...
Philosophies of mine tend to curve way toward eastern philosophies. Actually i believe im more of a philosopher and a creative thinker than i am any sort of genius.
I also usually dont get lonely because of great forums like ATS!!!!! With plenty of brilliant minded people around to talk to!
and ummm.....well is that it? BTW, about the black holes, in a nutshell i think black holes might be sort of like the universes recycling bins!!! lol!
Best wishes,
Dani

[edit on 24-5-2005 by Vesuvius 13]

Well, LiquidatonOf Discrepancy, I don't know what you know about intelligence but an IQ of 140 or more is in the thrid standard deviation of the range of intelligence for White Americans. So, you are looking at about one or two percent on the high side (third stand. dev. also includes morons on the low side). I really doubt that anyone here has an IQ of 200. I am old and have met alot of people but nobody with a 200 IQ. inspite of all their MENSA claims. Forschung


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Forschung, I agree with your post, and though I did used to work for a fellow who claimed a 200+ IQ, who was quite bright btw, I have my doubts as to the validity of his sources. He doesn't seem THAT smart...
No question, this man is smart, very much so, but he was like anyone else in that he had his weak points, and one of them was that he seemed to regularly forget about any information that he was told that contradicted any of his theories. He ignored logic when it came to discussing certain topics that he had formed an immovable opinion on, ie: Palestinian/Israeli relations and the middle east crisis. His views are clearly biased in favour of his own heritage, which I cannot believe someone with a 200 IQ would do. And in human relations, mediation, social interaction, and dispute solving skills, he is not as knowledgeable. Imho, he sacrificed some areas of learning in order to develop others, as we all do, but in this case it appears to me to be a more extreme example of it.

[edit on 03 22 2005 by BlackGuardXIII]

Originally posted by Vesuvius 13
Hey,
Sorry i forgot your more personal question about our ideals, emotions, etc.
I use to feel extremely alone, and i was often very depressed, mostly b/c of my parents though, rather than society. I isolated myself from other kids sometimes so that i could read or research, or something else.
In school, my grades have always been B average, i could never stay focused long enough, not because im dumb, but because like i said before, i think alot. Pretend were talking about black holes in class, i trail off the moment the teacher mentions them, and off i go into my wide range of theories. (i have actually managed to write down sum of my black hole theories) This is why i never made great grades. I no longer feel lonely, except at random moments, for w/e reasons...
Philosophies of mine tend to curve way toward eastern philosophies. Actually i believe im more of a philosopher and a creative thinker than i am any sort of genius.
I also usually dont get lonely because of great forums like ATS!!!!! With plenty of brilliant minded people around to talk to!

and ummm.....well is that it? BTW, about the black holes, in a nutshell i think black holes might be sort of like the universes recycling bins!!! lol!
Best wishes,
Dani

[edit on 24-5-2005 by Vesuvius 13]

I also maintained approx. a B avg. thru hiskool. English was my best subject, yet I hated Shakespeare and Chaucer, and found out in University just how subjective, biased, and passive/aggressive English profs can be...
and the answer to that is 'extremely biased, subjective, and very skillful in the practice of subtle, covert sabotage.' I never was able to repair damage to my scholastic record that one such person did 20 years ago.... so much for the objectivity of the educational system, imho.
As for philosophy, I too tend to relate more to eastern wisdom. Buddha, Lao Tzu, Confucius, the Vedas, etc. are sources of many concepts that I found rang true in my ears. I am a voracious reader, and have a good memory for things that interest me, but at the same time, I have real trouble understanding certain things, usually cuz I can never find someone who can describe it to me so that I agree with it. If I don't think something is correct, I am no good at retaining it. If I am convinced by the information I have studied that something is most likely correct, I rarely forget it.
I relate to Vesuvius 13 a lot. I was very different than anyone else in my school. I was the only person in the 'gifted' program that wore a jean jacket with rock and roll patches on it, had long hair, partied, and went to heavy metal concerts, etc. And I was never really accepted into either 'clique', or any other for that matter, though by senior high I had ceased to care about that.

Where do you get an IQ test? I've never had one....is it anything like the SAT? lol

My dad always told me I had a head on me "like a cockroach" , and that was a compliment!

I can read really fast (acquired that in college....so much reading!! )

I love books, love learning....have a library. I like my "alone" time.

But as stated earlier....I have no idea what my IQ is.

Faeryland

Originally posted by Faeryland
Where do you get an IQ test? I've never had one....is it anything like the SAT? lol

My dad always told me I had a head on me "like a cockroach" , and that was a compliment!

I can read really fast (acquired that in college....so much reading!! )

I love books, love learning....have a library. I like my "alone" time.

But as stated earlier....I have no idea what my IQ is.

Faeryland

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www.mensa.org...

The IQ tests on nicologic.free.fr... are suppose to be somewhat accurate; My friend who scored on an offical IQ test, got about the same IQ score on one of the nicologic IQ test.

I took an intelligence test once. The results were negative! Always a relief when test results come back negative, don't you agree??

It might be helpful if posters gave an indication of where in the 140 to 200 range they fell. It's a pretty big range. For instance 180 would make you a James Woods or a Bill Clinton, where as 160 would make you a mere Sharon Stone, or Bill Gates.


Besides, test results are questionable. For instance treachers and guidance counsellors have been known to 'bump up' scores, to increase enrollment in 'accelerated' programs. More enrollment means more funding! So there is a good incentive for everyone to do well.

Scores can vary depending on who'se doing the testing. "Discretionary' scoring, ie on a vocabulary test, a testor might give you credit if he thinks that you know what the word means. "You're obviously bright, and I think I know what you're trying to get at".

Besides, standard tests fall short. Language skills are tested in terms of vocabulary. You might not be able to compose a coherent paragraph, but if you know what all the words mean, then you get a good score. Math is basic arthimetic. A person can have a genius level math score, and be unable to do algebra, for instance. Algebra, and calculus, are the higher level math, and so take more thought that 2 x 2. So the tests aren't a very good indicator.


Scores fluctuate as well. A person's score can fall, or even rise, over time. This can occur well into adulthood, despite what experts say. For instance students scores on math tests increase, supposedly, after listening to Mozart. That was only over the course of 20 mins!

People love the numbers game, though. Maybe it has something to do with the impulse that makes us chart an athelete in term of stats, runs, hits, etc. We loved to quote those baseball cards, eh? Yet, a person can be a perfect athlete on paper, and be consistedly outperformed. Eric Lindros is a case in point, for the hockey fans. Reducing things to numbers and stats is almost the equivalent of asking some one what there sign is. It's the nerds equivalent of 'how long is it?'

Remember that Einstein didn't get quantum physics. Couldn't get his head around it. John von Newman ( "The Prisoner's Dilemma", games theory, and the Rand Corp.) refered to Einstein has being 'fairly bright', while Einstien refered to Newman as having ' a good mind'. Von Newman was at one point touted as 'the most intelligent man in the world'. He devoted himself to the study of games for cold war applications. He managed to make himself in to a mediaocre poker player, but gave leasons at Rand! The childishness of the Rand Corps' pet geniuses was truely astonishing. There's an indication of how 200 IQ'ers think.











[edit on 25-5-2005 by GrandCourtJester]

Everyone take some of the nicologic.free.fr... tests, and tell us your scores!

I took an I.Q test on a pop up and it said I scored 149, though I am somewhat skeptical.

I'm in middle school and I guess I'm going through the hardships right now, though I'd rather not get into details.

Socially I'm doing very well I have 2 best friends. Though most of the time I like to be alone and read or just think.

Ideologies-Well I'm a Christian and all I have to say is John 3:16.

usually with our brains and yours. we listen, we learn, we try to figure out who we are by watching others. sometimes we just look at things a slightly different way than most. we are responsible for our surroundings if our surroundings needs and wants our help. but, first and foremost, we are no better than you. if we were, we would be really stupid, and that is worse than ignorant.

why do people with less than 140 iqs think they are not smart would be a better question. what is it that this person over here has that you may feel you do not?

everyone's (yours, mine, his and hers) brains operate for the most part the same way. our conscious experience and the true experience is not always the same.

a good portion of people are only aware of on average 2,000 bits of information per second. but, before those 2,000 bits of information are interpreted consciously they pass through your subconscious which calculates the stimuli from our senses at a rate of around 400,000,000,000 bits of information per second. the problem with integrating the correct information consciously is the state of mind of the conscious observer. so if you feel you are a victim or know fear and hate and anger and negativity, the pieces of the puzzle that the conscious observer desires to fullfill the neuro-chemical peptide addiction at the cellular level dictates to the subcoscious which pieces of the puzzle fit at that level.

in other words if consciously a person is judgemental and objective to what stimuli is coming in, probability dictates your subconscious will take a great portion of that experience away from you before you have to know it even was experienced.

to put it in slightly simpler terms think of a brain as your own personal air plane capable of flying at speeds of 400,000,000 miles per hour.

now realize some people choose to only go 2 miles per hour in their air plane. it can make it very hard to get off the ground.

question: do we own our cells, or do they own the entire body? do we treat our cells as our selves, is it a mutual agreement, or are they something we never give any thought to.

peoples greatest gift can also be our greatest obsticle in life. empathy and compassion.

both are great things. but, for most of peoples adult lives they seem to live life as though wearing some mask and giving too much thought to how others view them. too much of that thinking and we slowly degrade the quality of the child within that always kept asking "why". we get stuck in the daily routine of never being done quick enough or never getting to where we are going fast enough.

if you wish to be as smart as i am do this:
keep a journal or diary knowing no one else will ever read it. your thoughts for no one else but you. write down logical questions and come up with the most logical answer you can, no research, and all by yourself. take notes while watching tv and expand on the ideas you witness. keep this for yourself and no one else. how can you lie to yourself? no need for even little white ones here, it is just you. no one else to impress. freedom in words to find who you are and who you want to be.

my iq? 1

my iq is nothing compaired to who is reading this sentence.

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
in other words if consciously a person is judgemental and objective to what stimuli is coming in, probability dictates your subconscious will take a great portion of that experience away from you before you have to know it even was experienced.

So those who hold many prejudices aren't seeing the world in its entireity. Theyre seeing what they want to see, so to speak. Thats my interpretation anyways

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
to put it in slightly simpler terms think of a brain as your own personal air plane capable of flying at speeds of 400,000,000 miles per hour.

now realize some people choose to only go 2 miles per hour in their air plane. it can make it very hard to get off the ground.

I've read somewhere that many people dont realise their full potential at all, partly because of tests and scores. Its all to do with the power of suggestion. If from a young age a student scores low in a couple of tests, they automatically percieve that they will never be any good at anything academic. An artificial barrier is placed on their ability and potential, just because of some stupid test scores.

That is part of the reason why I tend to dislike IQ tests, not that I score low in them, but because they only add to this culture of tests, scores and expected grades as a way of teaching.

Also, most (not all) IQ tests and questions work in a very logical way. Theres more to intelligence (and indeed life) than cold, hard logic IMO.

i am a "genius" with IQ of 145 and i am not backward socially, i have great concentration in topics im interested in um... i like electronics and am well versesed in computers but i am 6' 4" and very athletic, so... i really dont see much except yes i do feel extreme emotion as stated earlier but i dont think that any one is a true genius except a man named Kim Peek there is a book about him with ISBN:0965116301 "the real rain man"

i am a new poster so thanks for your time

here is a good website: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Peek

Originally posted by Abstrakt

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
in other words if consciously a person is judgemental and objective to what stimuli is coming in, probability dictates your subconscious will take a great portion of that experience away from you before you have to know it even was experienced.

So those who hold many prejudices aren't seeing the world in its entireity. Theyre seeing what they want to see, so to speak. Thats my interpretation anyways

and that interpretation cannot be wrong. it is perfect. people need to be able to understand in their own unique perception. people who truly know themselves can find any level and show a person they don't need to leave their path, just stay on it and it will lead them to what it is they seek.

everyone is a genius, some just don't believe they are worthy to be a genius. people who are "considered" geniuses by people who don't know they are, are responsible for those who don't believe they are. there are but a few greater purposes to existance than showing people who they are. but, at this moment i can't recall any other purposes, because there are people in our world who are not geniuses.

an iq score is to me ..... being defined by someone who hasn't even defined themselves.

i have few questions in life. they include:

1) Who tamed mankind?
2) When was mankind domesticated?

any answers to these questions, feel free, i know i'm not the only one asking them.

if i could choose one leader for the entire world ..... it would be a peek saved for a rainy day, or a 3 year old. untainted and pure truth, truth that loves truth is far better than the path we are all on now.

but, that is just how i think with an iq of 1. odds are people with higher iqs will need time to think about it ........

Hitler was considered a genius by virtually all types of intelligence level measurements. Mother Teresa has never been touted as being an academic genius.
Who would you rather we had more people like in this world?
Churchill had a very limited education, yet his mind was extremely sharp. And George W. Bush had higher SAT scores than either Gore or Kerry.
IQ is a good measurement of how well one can write IQ tests.
EQ (Emotional Intelligence), which includes qualities such as compassion and the discipline to delay gratification for future benefits, is far far more key to life, to me anyway.
Leonardo Da Vinci was possibly the most intelligent person who ever lived, yet my question to him if I could ask it would be, " But are you happy?"

Leonardo Da Vinci was possibly the most intelligent person who ever lived, yet my question to him if I could ask it would be, " But are you happy?"

I don't agree that it was Da Vinci, though I would be hard pressed to name anyone equal or better. (siete un italiano del collega, me che sono Calabrase) The one question that you would ask him, is the most important question of all.

I know a lot of Very Rich people who are very unhappy and a lot of poor people who are very happy. It is the idea that money and things equal sucess - but sucess should be happiness not the race to see who can get a million bucks first.

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
1) Who tamed mankind?
2) When was mankind domesticated?

(The evelution concept)
I think it was self domestication, where we were hunting parties and encountered others like us. Then we established a basis of communications out of self-preservation that eventually led us to form a trade relation with another clan, and that evolved into a basic government.

As for the Taming of mankind. Most humans are sheep, they just follow so the taming was easy -> for the better good.

The Creation Theory would indicate that man was tamed from the get go,
Though I think it was the idea that land could be "Ownership" by any entity
(Man or government) that domesticated man. Like having a dog house in your living room and training your dog that - that is his space.

Originally posted by Vesuvius 13
BTW, about the black holes, in a nutshell i think black holes might be sort of like the universes recycling bins!!! lol!

Er...... as crazy as that may sound to some, you may be suprised to find that it is close to another theory I have heard. - Very close as a mater of fact. (Question; Does your theory have anything to do (Basis or pertanance to) a/the source of gravity?)

Originally posted by dancer

Leonardo Da Vinci was possibly the most intelligent person who ever lived, yet my question to him if I could ask it would be, " But are you happy?"

A person by the name of William James Siddis, had an iq that was guessed to be around 250 - 300.

The comparison of historical and current intellects is pretty well impossible, imho. I once saw a long list of historical giants that was based on the level of understanding that each person had in 105 (maybe not exactly, but I think it was 105) different areas of expertise. The article claimed that we all seem to be what they considered genius level in at least one of these areas, and someone who was that level in five of them would constitute what the typical idea of genius is. The scores for the people on the list were far higher than IQ's, and Da Vinci was over 700, while Michelangelo was over 500, and figures like Isaac Newton, Shakespeare, Victor Hugo, Einstein, Tesla, Aristotle, etc. were all there.
The people who made this list commented that the number of different areas that Da Vinci scored genius level in was what made him number one, and that relative to the knowledge of his era, he was the furthest ahead of the level of intellect of the day.
I personally think Tesla is a contender, and an extremely key person in history. He is still being studied and his work decyphered.

I saw the list also. Composer Richard Wager was a 160 something. More undervaluation in my mind.

Another forum I belong to did an IQ poll. Naturally, it was skewed far to the left (higher than normal) and didn't even come close to a bell-shaped curve. In my mind, this means they were padding their IQ scores.

IQ is broken down statistically into standard deviations from the norm. The norm for White America is 100. Scores of 85 to 115 fall into the first standard deviation and include about 67% of the total population. Count 15 points out on both sides for the second standard deviation, consisting of about 30% of the remaining population. What do we have left? We have about 3% consisting of scores lower than 70 and higher than 130. This means about 1.5 percent of the American white population has a score above 130. This means three people out of 200.