How do people with IQs of 140 - 200 think?

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

You have proven my point that IQ test are not a accurate method of determining intelligence.

So then, you disagree with his lifestyle, his choices, and his hobbies.
This something equates into you judging his intelligence level?
My story is similar to his, I didn't apply myself in High School because I didn't feel like I needed to, or that the information was very important. Of course, I pick and chose what I did learn.
I also dropped out and received a G.E.D. I also performed admirably on the test, finishing in three hours, despite having seven hours to take the test, and scoring over 90%.
Technically, I've never passed ninth grade English; it would not be a stretch to say that I have the reading, writing, and grammar skills of a middle school kid.

And yet, for some odd reason, when I moved onto the local Community College and took their placement tests, I scored over 90% on their reading, writing, and grammar portions of the test. I was placed in ADVANCED level College Composition, University level English credits that are transferable to any University in the state. I aced College Composition I and II, and went on to receive an Associate's Degree in Applied Sciences.

Originally posted by runetang

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

You have proven my point that IQ test are not a accurate method of determining intelligence.

So then, you disagree with his lifestyle, his choices, and his hobbies.
This something equates into you judging his intelligence level?
My story is similar to his, I didn't apply myself in High School because I didn't feel like I needed to, or that the information was very important. Of course, I pick and chose what I did learn.
I also dropped out and received a G.E.D. I also performed admirably on the test, finishing in three hours, despite having seven hours to take the test, and scoring over 90%.
Technically, I've never passed ninth grade English; it would not be a stretch to say that I have the reading, writing, and grammar skills of a middle school kid.

And yet, for some odd reason, when I moved onto the local Community College and took their placement tests, I scored over 90% on their reading, writing, and grammar portions of the test. I was placed in ADVANCED level College Composition, University level English credits that are transferable to any University in the state. I aced College Composition I and II, and went on to receive an Associate's Degree in Applied Sciences.

What is it good for? How is all that qualities of intelligence? So far you said you were good at school but dropped out but you could of aced it if you tried. But what, you were to smart for school?

IQ tests not a accurate method of determining intelligence.

I have a tested IQ of 144. I can't keep my checkbook straight. I can't fix my own brakes on my car. I have someone do my taxes for me. I HATE anagrams!. My kids think I'm smart, and so does my wife and a lot of my friends, but how "Smart" people think? Pretty well, I would imagine, if the subject can hold they're interest! I used to work with a "computer scientist" who was a certified turbo-powered egg-head. I used to bring his computers up for him and do all his configuration management, because he "couldn't figure it out". I think it's all relative. When you have a passion for something, you give it your all, all the other stuff, you just say, "Meh!".

Originally posted by LiquidationOfDiscrepancy
How do geniuses with IQ's Of 140 - 200 think? How do you geniuses feel emotionally, socially, and what are your ideologies in life?

LOL! I have known a lot of smart people in my life, many with very high IQs but, I've never known one to consider him/herself a genius.

Kind of like insanity... if you think you're the sanest person on the planet, you're likely a raving lunatic.

Everyone has about/roughly the same mass/weight of grey matter vs body mass/weight. Outcome? The majority of our species can quickly learn the basics of speech, math, speaking, etc.

My opinion is that it depends on how we address the world around us, that determines the degree which we use our brain. One can be raised in a ghetto and still end up a philosopher or a physician or physicist. We can likewise be born with a silver spoon in our yappers and end up a serial killer or perched on a street corner begging for handouts.

I guess what this means is that a lot has to do with individual personality, the ability to meld into this thing we call life/existence and then, work our hopes and visions into something resembling reality.

It ain't easy, by any strech... but it's all out there.

This is possibly the most pretentious type of forum...blah. I have an IQ of a slow slug, but I think people with high IQs think using their brain. Just a guess. They could use their fingers I suppose.

I still say IQ tests measure the rate of comprehension, not level of intelligence. Since they are timed it implies that given an unlimited amount of time, we can all figure out the same thing. Who ever guesses the fastest is the smartest.

Originally posted by CarbonBase
I have a tested IQ of 144. I can't keep my checkbook straight. I can't fix my own brakes on my car. I have someone do my taxes for me. I HATE anagrams!. My kids think I'm smart, and so does my wife and a lot of my friends, but how "Smart" people think? Pretty well, I would imagine, if the subject can hold they're interest! I used to work with a "computer scientist" who was a certified turbo-powered egg-head. I used to bring his computers up for him and do all his configuration management, because he "couldn't figure it out". I think it's all relative. When you have a passion for something, you give it your all, all the other stuff, you just say, "Meh!".

What he said ^.

Hey Buddy! It has been now 8 years. I am quite sure you can now draw some conclusions about the answers to your question.
I suggest you locate your conclusion under the obnoxiousity level!



And yeah, I belong in this thread, I did a stupid verified test, that stupidly classified me under stupid Genius, and stupidly suggested that I stupidly place under the stupid 0.13% of this stupid humanity. And I myself think it's stupid.

Well, I fall into this category. I'm a member of the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry, which is a high IQ group that restricts membership to the top 0.1% of cognitive abilities as measured by standardised IQ tests (with a deviation of s.d 15, which I guess is what the OP is using, that would be IQ 146+).

I do have faith in the ability of IQ tests to measure cognitive ability (so do most of the intelligence researchers in the scientific community, although it's not very popular / politically correct, to state as much any more). I think, though, that there is sometimes a gap between what intelligence researchers consider intelligence and what the public consider intelligence. The latter often includes any desirable mental trait at all, from wisdom to creativity to common sense, to whatever (none of which can be effectively measured by traditional IQ tests).

I can only talk about the way I think, and I have no idea if the following is typical of other people in the same IQ range as myself:

I'm overly sensitive. Although I have a pretty good handle on this nowadays, when I was younger controlling intense emotions was difficult. Perhaps this is because emotional issues can rarely be resolved by rational ability alone. Who knows.

I'm more analytic than the people around me. When people bring out statistics or facts, it's second nature for me to question them. I want access to the original studies they came from, I want a calculator and half an hour alone to see what this means in relation to the field in which they're being used. Then I want related information so I can paint an interdisciplinary picture of meaning. It's only recently that I've discovered this is completely different to how most people interact with everyday facts. It made quite a few casual conversations perplexing and awkward.

I find that I often think in contradictions. Where people sometimes see two things as being opposite, I often think my way into seeing them as necessary for one another. For example, I believe in both determinism and free will, and think that accepting either one of those propositions alone paints an unreasonably simplistic model of human agency.

I am (and always have been) anti-authoritarian. I think most smart people tend to look to the smartest guy in the room for leadership (just like, I guess, the most ardent capitalists look to the most successful people for leadership, or the coolest people look to the most charismatic). Whether or not the most intelligent people SHOULD be in charge, they rarely are, and having to follow the orders of people that are making obvious mistakes in cognition is sometimes difficult. This character trait actually got me expelled from high school at 16 (have no fear, I taught myself my A-levels and went to uni anyway, so no great loss). I also think it's what makes conspiracy theories appealing - should we really trust authority simply because it's authority?

I find it difficult being as tolerant as I should be of others. If we're discussing an intellectual subject, I usually understand things quicker than the other conversationalists. But, I do strive to be tolerant, because if we were climbing trees rather than debating, it would probably be me who needed the tolerance.

Of course, there's more, but this post isn't exclusively about me. Some of the things I've noticed about other people with these IQ's that may or may not apply to me are:

Despite the numerous studies that show religious / right wing / black / 'add your own group here' people have lower IQ's than their social counterpoints, I have met numerous people from all walks of life / races / ideologies / careers that would fall into the IQ 140+ category.

There is a proportionally higher occurrence of autism and other mental irregularities in people with very high IQ.

Even in the instance that someone with 140+ IQ is popular and socially successful, they often feel lonely. This is partly because it's hard to find people that think the same way as they do, and is arguably the best reason to have super-high-IQ groups at all.

Although there are a fair few janitors and unemployed people with an IQ of 140+, the vast, vast majority of people this smart are at least moderately successful. Either they excel in their career, or own a lucrative small business or whatever. I know world class academics, a military colonel, pioneering medical drs, a mayor, successful artists, writers, mathematicians and a surprising amount of software developers who are in this IQ range. They also tend to be far more educated than their average IQ peers.

For anyone who hasn't done a standardised IQ test and wants to try out some decent tests / get a handle on modern psychometrics, I strongly suggest looking up the work of Dr Xavier Jouve. He was a former psychologist at Pearsons (the de-facto leader in intelligence testing) and works tirelessly in this area. A lot of his tests are available online, and he's detailed and honest about explaining how reliable they are.

I can't cook. I can't fake it, get frustrated very fast at times, don't have a lot of patience most of the time, and don't like most people. And I lose interest in things and people very quickly. I find it hard to trust or believe in anyone or anything, but on the plus side, I don't get disappointed a lot.

Other than that...

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I scored 145 with the three hour MENSA supervised test many many years ago. I think at the time is was 2 points short of the 147 you need to join .

Socially, I am a misfit and proud of it. I consider myself to be an individual not a sheep, Therefore I have never and will never have a facebook account.

Emotionally, I cannot understand how people can let emotions control them. Reality TV need those "emotional" people to exist.

Politically, I do not believe that democracy exist. It has always been feudalism. I would rather have a good-hearted dictator.

Ive done online-IQ-tests and usually average somewhere between 125 and 135. Not quite high enough by your standards. But my view is that IQ-Tests are insufficient to measure SUCCESS in life. There are a lot of smart people who dont achieve much of anything. Thats to say that IQ is only part of the equation. The other part is EQ (Emotional Intelligence), PQ (Physical Intelligence) and SQ (Spiritual Intelligence).

Skyfloating
Ive done online-IQ-tests and usually average somewhere between 125 and 135. Not quite high enough by your standards. But my view is that IQ-Tests are insufficient to measure SUCCESS in life. There are a lot of smart people who dont achieve much of anything. Thats to say that IQ is only part of the equation. The other part is EQ (Emotional Intelligence), PQ (Physical Intelligence) and SQ (Spiritual Intelligence).

Right. Part of the equation. But what's the right balance? And do you necessarily have to sacrifice one to get more of another?

~Lucidity

Right. Part of the equation. But what's the right balance? And do you necessarily have to sacrifice one to get more of another?

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Trying to find the right balance is a nice endeavor.

Skyfloating

~Lucidity

Right. Part of the equation. But what's the right balance? And do you necessarily have to sacrifice one to get more of another?

edit on 9/28/2013 by ~Lucidity because: grammar OCD

Trying to find the right balance is a nice endeavor.

Called living?

I think everything is messed up. Nothing makes practical sense

But i can play along

Cant spell though. pProblem solving and math through the roof. Weird huh

BTW I only scored 140ish but in my defense i smoked 2 before hand.not knowing
it was a 5 hour IQ test. I lost focus more than once fo say.the least.

I had always heard that iq has more to do with how fast you pick up new concepts and/or skills. I have also heard that your score lowers with age. I scored 132 in kindergarten. Also intelligence and wisdom are two completely things.
Other than that --this was a great idea for a thread; I wish I was "smart" enough to contribute more, but alas I'm just an average joe.

I range from 125 to 145 depending on which test. There are several and all are going to give different results based upon how you think.

My thinking process is primarily based upon logical, step by step effort when using new information on a subject. Once I can gather enough information on a subject I can begin to analog the facets into an instinctual sort of algebra. Insights come faster and more easily as I increase my knowledge within a subject.

I don't have any special "ability" that might be attributed to someone with a high IQ. I just focus and work as intently as I can when I learn.

Most importantly, I refuse to give up when I've started the learning process and continue to hammer away at a subject until I am satisfied with my results.

I personally believe that there are a small minority of "gifted" people to whom great intelligence is a natural trait. To me these people are an exception, not the rule.
I know people who have 20 points on me who can't think themselves out of a paper bag.
I also know people with average IQ scores who are much smarter than I am.

I believe most people who are considered genius are simply people who have learned to discipline their minds to learn on a consistent basis and who never stop learning.

Intelligence is 99% effort.

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I had always heard that iq has more to do with how fast you pick up new concepts and/or skills.

Also intelligence and wisdom are two completely things.

I am also of the same understanding.

A superior IQ means nothing if someone does not have the common sense and motivation to go along with it.


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My Stats

Having dropped out of school in the 9th grade, I took my G.E.D. at age 16 and scored 99% in Science, 98% in Mathematics, 96% in Social Studies, 96% in Literature and 83% in English. To my defense, my English scores were low because I tend to have difficulty writing essays of material that I have no interest in.

At age 17, I had my IQ professionally tested at 131. I often wonder if it would have been higher had I not been sleep deprived before the test.

I've taken online IQ tests in the past and have achieved results of between 125 and 165, however I question their validity.

At age 24, I took the Military's ASVAB (Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery) and managed to score a 96. My GT and ST scores were 128 and 127 respectively, which put me well within my chosen MOS of 91W Healthcare Specialist.

Socially, I can easily interact and converse with others. However, I prefer my solitude and I am uncomfortable around large crowds.

Emotionally I can be weak, anger is something that I often struggle to control, it runs in the family.

If a topic on anything captures my interest, it almost becomes an obsession. I will search endlessly to find new information until I have what I think is a complete picture. Even then it is not enough to satisfy my need, I'll go back through my accumulated data and look for connections that I might have missed, new potential paths, inaccuracies and other false data. Regardless of how much I think I know on any specific topic, I am aware that there is always something new to discover.

Yes...uhmmm great thread subject and reading....
I have arrived.....I'm so happy because the Spirit is guiding me....the love between all persons is foremost and we're getting there the hard way, I guess there is no other way...just God's plan
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Yep, and you'll like this part.....I know everything in the Bible is true, and here on Earth ....for every minute of time we work....we need a minute of play....so intoxicants are allowed.....they're Biblical.....hail.....
I like what I read on the 3rd or 4th post.....somewhere in there....."will" means alot in this reality.........cool so does self discipline....dangggittt!!