How do people with IQs of 140 - 200 think?

I am 13 and i took 2 IQ tests one putting at 138 the other at somewhere above 140 not exactly sure, and im farely normal, ave lots of friends, nothing really wrong mentally except for minor OCD, abnd i do all sorts of sports. So really i think just like the other kids at my school, just at a higher level then most of them the best thing with having a fairly high IQ is realizing how stupid the other people are.

I almost fall in the 140+ range as my iq is around 130-140 in some areas but my Asperger Syndrome affects me more than my reasonably high iq.

I'm not sure that 140-200 people think that differently, only more and faster. Though it's awfully hard to quantify thinking in the first place.

My brother, sister, and I all scored in the 160s as children. I think that the definition of genius certainly needs some revision. We're smart, but we're really not worthy of such a title.

A little about my experience being a "genius"

Childhood was frustrating and depressing. I was a shy kid and preferred reading books and playing legos to others. Elementary school was horribly boring, and the only times I ever got in trouble were for looking at the clock too much and for rolling my eyes during a long division lesson. The gifted program at my school started in 5th grade and that helped considerably. One day a week I actually looked forward to school.

Junior high was just hell. I was really depressed and slept through my classes, but somehow managed to keep my grades perfect. The only good thing about junior high was the Scrabble Tournament, which I dominated.

High school was a little better. I took two math classes as a freshman which kind of entertained me. My depression also lessened as I got older with the promise of college on the horizon. AP classes were pretty good-but I still didn't lift a finger studying and did research papers the night before they were due. Finally found a good group of intelligent friends and joined some nerdy clubs. Graduated valedictorian and headed to Duke.

Duke was quite a shock. It was great but I didn't have any experience with studying. And learning that I hated engineering was quite a shake up. But I survived, made friends, and have learned that's it's really really nice to go to school with other smart people.

I've settled on studying International Affairs. I've learned to speak Russian and now I'm starting to learn Farsi. I'm hoping to work in intel after I graduate.

I've learned that as long as I keep my mind busy and don't isolate myself-I can be pretty happy.

I hear you russia, my last yyear of JH was quite boring except for friends, i got a 93 or 94 average without doing anything. Which makes it funny to see kids struggling. But i dont really read alot i ahve picked up a few books recently all really about quantum physics. SO i spent most my time last year thinking of quantum physics and singing in class, and somethu=ing that has come to mind since my last post, im not sure this has annything to do with a higher IQ. but I have lots of minor things wrong with my head, i dont know if its depression or just thinking to much into things, but i get sad/depressed over things i do wrong, i also have anxiety, and problems with seeing things that arents they're sometimes splotches of color, human like figures, and i guess you would call it paranoia, because i often feel im being im watched, sorta of like i am right now, which is quite scary, like right now. But i dont have problems with making friends, crowds, interacting like some of the other people said they had.

You bored brainiacs that are in Junior High should consider just bypassing those grade levels (Now days high school is an even worse waste of time )...

Take the entrance exam at your local Junior College and just start taking classes. Start slow at first to get acclimatized (prove to yourself, your counselors (your parents?) that you can get the job done) then just crank it up!

What is really the point of going to school other than getting an education?

There is really no point with the raw talent some of you sound like you have and just let it go to waste...

There are lots of programs that do exactly what I'm talking about. Check into it.

If you've got it... Just do it!

I had a friend that was tested at 162 and had an "Idetic Memory" Very well versed in Science, Mathematics, Physics, and History. But the poor guy couldn't tie his shoes nor could he attain any kind of monetary wealth. Constantly in debt.

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The link above is a very accurate IQ test from empirical testing I have done.
You can choose not to be timed, which I find very nice. Feel free to post your scores. This site measures from 75 to 200. Even though IQ test have flaws, this is just for fun.

I find huge differences in intel tests. The most challenging I have come across are Canadian Government Level 3 stuff and the GRE. The former is particularly challenging in that you really have to maximize your time. For instance, there is a section where you have to cross reference a series of numbers/letters - codes - and check for errors. You don't even have 2 seconds to spare. Any hesitation and you probably won't have time to check it all. I firmly believe that, in some cases, people are not necessarily smarter than others, just that they are better at taking these tests. For myself, sometimes I do well, sometimes not as good. I have a very selective attention field these days, since being an adult and having to work every day makes for a tired person. Unless you have something interesting to say, I am not going to want to listen. This is my problem with these tests: they bore me to no end.

I suggest we all be careful here on what we take from these numbers. I did a Mensa online mini test today (1 hour) and got 23 out of 30. It said that I did better than 90% of the people who took the test. Whatever.

I have always felt alone. It is difficult to have conversations with some people without insulting their intelligence accidentally or talking over their head. I often think things out before I say them, develop a speech, dumb it down for the audience in question... For the past 3 years I have been developing the attitude of shepard. Influencing when I can. Noble silence otherwise. I try to pass on knowledge... I find many just have their head in the sand. I am helping my friends become homeowners... it is a challenge. I often feel I have to hold people's hands, though I try to teach how to fish rather than giving fish. It is difficult. Intelligence is a responsibility. When I have major decisions to make I consult scripture. I study world religions and philosophy. I have found many at this site that speak with higher IQ's... Keeps me from running into my cave of noble silence so often. Here is a credo of mine... it should shed some light into my thinking:

1) Eat organic food.
2) Never stay in bed too long. Stay up late reading, get up early to feed the family.
3) Read scripture, self help, and anything on the subject of wisdom. I highly recommend I Ching, Bhagavad Gita, Sun Tzu, and Tao Te Ching. Keep a library of reference.
4) Store everything in glass jars or earthenware. (Alchemist)
5) Have tenacious Will with single minded Attention.
7) Act in truth as the instrument of your higher self.
8) Research.
9) Plant trees.
10) Drink pure water.
11) Low consumption. No eating out. Electric bill under $30. no hot water, etc.
12) Recognize when best to be slave and best to be Master.
13) Look out for the ultimate happiness of others. Deny children candy, etc.
14) I work as a carpenter with wood and nails. Right livelihood as the Buddha puts it.
15) Seek only work, never its fruit (Bhagavad Gita)
16) Have the best tools you can get your hands on. Yet know that you can get the job done without those tools.
17) Avoid all propaganda and marketing. (No TV, packaging thrown out (recycled) at date of purchase on everything, no radio, avoid “commercial” WebPages with popups and flashing adds, no wandering around the mall, have a disinterest in politics, etc. )
18) Listen to classical music, chants, instrumental, etc. Avoid music that disturbs the chittam.
19) Meditate. Pray. Sit in silence.
20) Spend plenty of time outdoors.
21) Avoid cities.
22) Grow food.
23) Avoid petrochemicals. (use less gas each week, remove things one by one from your home made of plastic, choose not to have coffee if a Styrofoam cup is the only option, etc.)
24) Always consider the metaphysics of your choices. The mahogany piano is beautiful, but so was the chunk of rainforest it was made from.
25) Be honest
26) Set wheels in motion
27) Be mindful of and act in accordance with your Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, and Threats (SWOT analysis)
28) Love is free giving
29) Anything can be accomplished with time, persistence, and purpose.
30) If you do not know a word, look it up… then get to know it.
31) Deny gifts that you do not need.
32) Accept others faults yet strive for personal perfection.
33) Harm none.
34) Exercise, get your heart rate up, stretch, yoga, etc.
35) Visualize your future.
36) Set goals and objectives. Make “To Do” lists.
37) When you have performed magic, let no one know lest they are involved or are an apprentice.
38) Be an anonymous angel

I try to contingency plan for everything. I have conversations in my head before they happen so I am usually prepared for others retorts. I find genuinely smiling can help almost any situation. I work on my 6th+ senses... I usually know what others are thinking. I can usually see to it that things are done without actually raising a finger.

Oddly... memory is close to zero. Childhood exposure to lots of lead paint. What were we talking about?

Sri Oracle

Originally posted by golemina
You bored brainiacs that are in Junior High should consider just bypassing those grade levels (Now days high school is an even worse waste of time

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Take the entrance exam at your local Junior College and just start taking classes. Start slow at first to get acclimatized (prove to yourself, your counselors (your parents?) that you can get the job done) then just crank it up!

What is really the point of going to school other than getting an education?

To some degree I agree... I would have skipped a few years had I understood it was possible. But to be honest... looking back I would have never wasted 4 years in college either. There are much more productive things I could have been doing. I feel my "rate of education" has accelerated much more rapidly since leaving the whole structure. I am able to read things that are more at my level... research things that do not already have answers... build things... leverage assets... I would suggest a few seminars rather than junior college. Personally select a mentor or two outside of the conventional education system. Overall, I have just found that in elementary school they told me I'd be more challenged in middle... in middle... Oh just wait till high school... then college... wait until you're in the Master's program... then there were all the gifted ed classes along the way where the students invariable knew more than the teacher. Public education is simply not for the gifted, it moves to slowly. A gifted student needs a week to learn calculus, not a semester. It doesn't matter if he is 10 or 25.

Sri Oracle

Sure, you can say that in hindsight.

But the problem is not the bright students or just loading up the funnel that is their intake process...

The problem is quite frankly the outside world. The kid needs to have a degree to be considered mainstream ('Look what I can do!' ). Yeah, it's a pain to conform, but standing there with a 4-year degree at the ripe old age of 16,17 or 18 is hardly going with the herd.

There are additional considerations... It doesn't matter how bright the kid is they still lack emotional maturity, adequate life experience, and a surprisingly important lack of exposure to short term popular culture/history.

This winds up being important in being able to relate to the world/people around you.

It's all about getting them to the point when they are 16, 17, or 18, have got it all together and can basically decide for themselves what they want to do/are interested in...

IMO, the 4-year degree is a passport... No matter which way the kid wants to go.

I don't know if I am qualified to post in here since I have no clue as to what my IQ is at, but I will give it a go. I am able to process and retain info quicker than most of the people I know, and am able to run through my memory and locate the information I need like it is a filing cabnet.

I spend alot of my free time by myself exploring the net, or reading, and get really uncomfortable being around a group of people I don't know.

Originally posted by golemina
the 4-year degree is a passport... No matter which way the kid wants to go.

A passport to becoming a pawn in someone elses company. A passport to a 200 - 800 dollar monthly tuition bill which the 18 yr old signing onto the college program... regardless of intelligence, likely has no concept of repaying. Certainly not a passport to independence for an independent thinker. Further, creative children with IQ's in the 140+ range do not need the structure of college. It will only hold their learning back. They'ed be better off with a $60,000 gift card to Amazon.com. 60%+ of graduating seniors in the US intend on going to college. That means colleges are just watered down as public education systems with the needs of the masses. Accredited they say. Way to much is NOT taught because so much time is spent teaching the accreditation requirements... that is not hurting most college students, but severely restricts the learning of those on the upper fringe. Bottom line, people at the 99.9 percentile of intellegence (140-200 range) are only slowed down by curriculums designed for the upper 2/3's of graduating seniors. There are few circles that those of high intelligence can be put in where they will actually be challenged. Most of those circles they end up defining themselves. The evolution of this forum for example.

Sri Oracle

One more thing on colleges... then I leave this alone (the thread is about 140-200 IQ)

Lisa Schmeiser - Do Geeks Need to go to College? April 1999:

"Close to 15 percent of the Forbes 400 either dropped out of college or avoided it altogether, and those executives boast an average net worth of $4.8 billion."

"if a teenager's parents sink the $30,000 they would have spent on the first year's tuition into a mutual fund for their child, he'll have $500,000 by the time he turns 50"

This may interest you.

Levels of giftedness

IQ testers use these classifications to describe differing levels of giftedness. The following bands apply with a standard deviation of σ = 15 on a standardized IQ test.

* Bright: 115+, or 1 in six (84th percentile)
* Moderately gifted: 130+, or 1 in 50 (97.9th percentile)
* Highly gifted: 145+, or 1 in 1000 (99.9th percentile)
* Exceptionally gifted: 160+, or 1 in 30,000 (99.997th percentile)
* Profoundly gifted: 175+, or 1 in 3 million (99.99997th percentile)

Unfortunately, most IQ tests do not have the capacity to discriminate accurately at higher IQ levels, capable only of determining whether a student is gifted rather than distinguishing among levels of giftedness.

Link: en.wikipedia.org...

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The statement below seems to fit in with many of the posters in this thread, including myself.
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Some gifted children with heightened sensory awareness may seem overly sensitive to sight, sound, smell and touch — they may be extremely uncomfortable when they have a wrinkle in their sock, or unable to concentrate because of the sound of a clock ticking on the other side of the room. Gifted children are often bothered by the seams in socks and tags on clothes, which is a part of the heightened sensory awareness. Hypersensitivity to external stimuli can be said to resemble a proneness to "sensory overload," which can cause persons to avoid chaotic and crowded environments. Link: en.wikipedia.org...

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I personally have an IQ of 168, and I wouldn't even have the slightest idea on how to approach the topic of analyzing thinking patterns among variant IQ ranges, in turn analyzing the relativity of life experience among the individuals performing in the experiment to the calculated amount of intelligence required to maintain each individual IQ level. That would be insane!

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I'm a dorky 130 and all I can say is I wish I was a bit smarter sometimes but other times I think I'm just fine. I get really frustrated by the dumbing of the masses I see and I think it might drive me crazy if I was 170 IQ and trying to deal with people who's idea of intellect is Donald Trump on "The Apprentice"

I wouldn't say that 130 is exactly dorky.
I remember a time when 115 was Officers Canidate material, and 125 was the average for Doctors.

If you get frustrated with the idiocy of the masses currently. It would only get worse - much worse the higher ones IQ is.

One of the reasons pepole with "High IQ's" isolate themselves from the rest of the world is that 50% of the existing IQ's are below 100, 75% are below 110, and 99% are Below 137. I'm sure that you have tried to explain simple concepts to "dumb people" and become frustrated because they couldn't grasp it, Now imagine how frustrating/infuriating it is to find that same lack of ability in people in the higher ranges of IQ's. -Imagine telling your doctor that his diagnosis is wrong, and being able to prove it to him. It takes some ego massaging to get them in the right direction - without insulting them. (Especially since your not a doctor, and this is something only a doctor would know).

Besides, if Trump was all that bright he wouldn't go broke as often as he does.

Hmmm... Really interesting thread. As I've seen ATS turn into a "let's compare brainpans" on more than one occasion.

And it's interesting to see the similarities between all the "geniuses". Depression. Quick thinking. Relatively social - but prefer to be alone. Etc. etc. And it's also interesting to see how many "highly intelligent" people spend their time at a forum like ATS! (Should make some people think!)

I guess I fit in this box as well. I've been tested a couple of times, with the result being more or less 155. But I won't go as far as to call myself a genius, and I'll kick anyone who does. I think IQ tests are ridiculous and should be thrown out of the window. I don't see the point in them. They are biased, and it's been proven that it's "prejudice" towards certain cultures (South Africa with all its different cultures being a perfect example!)...

I hate math. Although I can do most calculations in my head, I barely passed Math in my final year of school. Science bores me to death, and I rarely read a book of "pure science" (quantum physics, etc.) past the first page.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with my social skills - although I don't do good in groups of people.

I think the only thing that might make me different than a 110 IQ guy, is the fact that I can make up my own mind. I have my own opinion – I don’t need to be spoon-fed like most of the crowd? And those people below 140 ... Forget about IQs! You're not missing out on anything. IQs mean squad!

I, personally, tend to think very analytical. For example, I will look at things in society around me and ponder why they are the way they are. I also tend to think of possible outcomes based on the way things are in the current state.

In social situations I tend to just look around me and see people's flaws, why they have them, and how they could potentially overcome them. I really think its difficult to explain how I think.

Last time I took a test, my IQ was 152, so as far as the smart curve goes, im near the beginning.