Troubling Trend; Humanizing Hitler

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets it. I was starting to worry.

originally posted by: drongosrevenge

first up, jojo rabbit was directed by a guy named cohen.

No, that is incorrect. It was directed by Taika Waititi, who also adapted the screenplay, who also played Hitler in the film.

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: LetTheColdCome

Now, real quick, go check under your twin bed to see if Adolf is hiding under there.

First , read my sig.
I live by that .

Humans do not behave like monsters .

As far as the drugs go , look it up .

History , history , history .

I use my phone to access this website, so I don’t think there’s a way to see your signature.

I’ll look up the drug thing because it peaked my interest. I’ve been studying WW2 history my entire life, and that’s the first I’ve heard of that. I’m surprised you can’t offer up at least one link to show me and everyone else here.

Personally, I think understanding the psyche of mass murderers is important. If you’d prefer to simply name-call, that’s your prerogative; that doesn’t strike me as someone who is genuinely interested in “history, history, history,” though.

He’s a human whether you’d like to admit it or not. I didn’t think people were this soft. The same ones that never shut up on here about liberals being soft (which they are) can’t handle some satire or the fact that some humans can be genuinely evil?

“Come on, man”

a reply to: LetTheColdCome
Hitler was a complete drug head, addicted, he took Cocaine, Methamphetamines, Pervitin "tank chocolate" and double digit amount of different other drugs on top of it. Even a predecessor of Viagra to hump Ms. Braun. Methamphetamines were not forbidden back then. Hitler loved Eukodal, it's a predecessor of H.

No offense but for someone that studied WW2 for the entire life, that escaped you? IDK. His medical records that his Dr. Morell kept about him show he took up to 28 medications at the same time. A few years ago, it was huge news as a book came out from someone that dug even deeper into these records and spoke to one of the last living peoples about the drug issue.

I think you have a long road to walk still, no offense.

originally posted by: LetTheColdCome
I’ll look up the drug thing because it peaked my interest. I’ve been studying WW2 history my entire life, and that’s the first I’ve heard of that. I’m surprised you can’t offer up at least one link to show me and everyone else here.

Methamphetamine use was rampant, from the regular Wehrmacht conscript, the SS and up the High Command.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Side note here, the U.S. military gives fighter pilots “go pills” which are amphetamines.

So, although drugs are bad mmmm’kay, we give them to the guys behind the wheel of billion dollar aircraft all the time.

originally posted by: LetTheColdCome

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: LetTheColdCome
Hitler was a human.

Hitler was a subhuman with brain fried by addiction to drugs .

All I said was that he’s a human, which he is. Maybe OP should be a bit more accurate with the wording. What about what I said offended you?

The drug thing is new to me. As far as I knew, he got drunk once and never drank again. I’m not #ing defending the guy. I do, however, think it’s important to understand why people do what they do, good or bad, to get a better grasp on why they did certain things; this applies to everyone, and especially household names.

Now, real quick, go check under your twin bed to see if Adolf is hiding under there.

It is probably because you did not quantify or explain your comment and people can then interpret it a number of way's, left as a simple statement no matter how neutral it can be interpreted either way.

I would have said he was everything inhuman in a human form, one of the worst examples of the human race to have ever lived especially since he came into a world that had more morality than some of the other examples from the past or those from non Christian country's.

But in terms of his evil there are also the Pol Pot's, the North Korean leaders have caused the death's of an unknown number of there people, Mao murdered millions in China and Stalin had his purges and killed perhaps nearly as many as Hitler with many Soviet historians actually pushing some of his victims under Hitler's numbers.

In fact before the Second World War when Hitler was pretending to be friendly to the Soviets and Stalin the Germans had OBSERVERS embedded with the Russians learning how they dealt with there dissidents, watching them force there victims to dig there own graves often in out of the way forests and then machine gun them into them and brought that back, it was how they started to murder the Jewish, Roma and other ethnic minority's that they wanted to destroy when they began to murder on ideological and racist ground's before finding it costly since bullets cost money and then going on to invent death wagons which later became fake shower block's at death camp's.

Meanwhile the Russians really did not care about the cost of how they dealt with there dissident's (which included Leninist loyalists that never accepted Stalin) and if they were not shooting them worked them to death in there gulag's, something the NAZI's also did with there slave labour projects.

Still over a shorter period of time the NAZI's murdered far more people than the Soviets at there most cruel ever did with only Mao and his cultural revolution perhaps eclipsing it in some areas.

In Chain under Mao the educated were murdered, teachers were raped, beaten to death and butchered by there student's, farmers forced from there lands leading to famine and during the height of this mass starvation and die off of so many millions of Chinese members of the Ruling Communist party would have so called FLESH BANQUETTES in which they actually committed cannibalism and ate people so the Communist elite never went hungry.

The twentieth century was NOT a good century at all and saw war and mass murder on a scale never before seen in human history, the Twenty First century is something that only future historians (if there are any) will be able to comment on.

Hitler wasn’t a monster. People feel safer feeling that he was, that he was in some way different, pure evil.

It is much more uncomfortable to realise that he wasn’t so different to any of us, like the train drivers, camp guards, doctors, shower operators. All just like the rest of us, human and capable of terrible evil. a reply to: ElGoobero

originally posted by: ARM1968
Hitler wasn’t a monster. People feel safer feeling that he was, that he was in some way different, pure evil.

It is much more uncomfortable to realise that he wasn’t so different to any of us, like the train drivers, camp guards, doctors, shower operators. All just like the rest of us, human and capable of terrible evil. a reply to: ElGoobero

disagree. I think he was HUGELY different from the rest of us.

I concede that 'normal' people are capable of surprising cruelties ('only following orders'). I think there was something called Bellevue / Milgram Experiment in which ordinary people practiced great cruelty when told. giving people electric shocks, for example, if I recall. (the shocks weren't real but the test subjects did not know this).

but Hitler was the one giving the orders. there have been other dictators / rulers but he stands alone in monstrosity.

originally posted by: TDDAgain
a reply to: LetTheColdCome
Hitler was a complete drug head, addicted, he took Cocaine, Methamphetamines, Pervitin "tank chocolate" and double digit amount of different other drugs on top of it. Even a predecessor of Viagra to hump Ms. Braun. Methamphetamines were not forbidden back then. Hitler loved Eukodal, it's a predecessor of H.

No offense but for someone that studied WW2 for the entire life, that escaped you? IDK. His medical records that his Dr. Morell kept about him show he took up to 28 medications at the same time. A few years ago, it was huge news as a book came out from someone that dug even deeper into these records and spoke to one of the last living peoples about the drug issue.

I think you have a long road to walk still, no offense.

That’s fair. I’ve obviously heard of the rampant meth usage for the soldiers. I hadn’t heard anything involving Hitler, himself, though.

My knowledge/interest revolves much more around the engagements and military aspect of the war. I admit my knowledge involving Hitler, himself, is clearly not up to par with the rest of you.

Apologies. I’ll see my way out since I’m clearly way over my head here. Got a long road to walk, after all. Maybe I’ll eventually reach ya!

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: LetTheColdCome
I’ll look up the drug thing because it peaked my interest. I’ve been studying WW2 history my entire life, and that’s the first I’ve heard of that. I’m surprised you can’t offer up at least one link to show me and everyone else here.

Methamphetamine use was rampant, from the regular Wehrmacht conscript, the SS and up the High Command.

Thank you. Referring to my previous post, the meth usage was on my radar. I just didn’t realize it went all the way to the top. I must’ve stopped at thinking it was to keep the common soldier awake for long marches during the blitzkrieg.

originally posted by: LABTECH767

originally posted by: LetTheColdCome

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: LetTheColdCome
Hitler was a human.

Hitler was a subhuman with brain fried by addiction to drugs .

All I said was that he’s a human, which he is. Maybe OP should be a bit more accurate with the wording. What about what I said offended you?

The drug thing is new to me. As far as I knew, he got drunk once and never drank again. I’m not #ing defending the guy. I do, however, think it’s important to understand why people do what they do, good or bad, to get a better grasp on why they did certain things; this applies to everyone, and especially household names.

Now, real quick, go check under your twin bed to see if Adolf is hiding under there.

It is probably because you did not quantify or explain your comment and people can then interpret it a number of way's, left as a simple statement no matter how neutral it can be interpreted either way.

I would have said he was everything inhuman in a human form, one of the worst examples of the human race to have ever lived especially since he came into a world that had more morality than some of the other examples from the past or those from non Christian country's.

But in terms of his evil there are also the Pol Pot's, the North Korean leaders have caused the death's of an unknown number of there people, Mao murdered millions in China and Stalin had his purges and killed perhaps nearly as many as Hitler with many Soviet historians actually pushing some of his victims under Hitler's numbers.

In fact before the Second World War when Hitler was pretending to be friendly to the Soviets and Stalin the Germans had OBSERVERS embedded with the Russians learning how they dealt with there dissidents, watching them force there victims to dig there own graves often in out of the way forests and then machine gun them into them and brought that back, it was how they started to murder the Jewish, Roma and other ethnic minority's that they wanted to destroy when they began to murder on ideological and racist ground's before finding it costly since bullets cost money and then going on to invent death wagons which later became fake shower block's at death camp's.

Meanwhile the Russians really did not care about the cost of how they dealt with there dissident's (which included Leninist loyalists that never accepted Stalin) and if they were not shooting them worked them to death in there gulag's, something the NAZI's also did with there slave labour projects.

Still over a shorter period of time the NAZI's murdered far more people than the Soviets at there most cruel ever did with only Mao and his cultural revolution perhaps eclipsing it in some areas.

In Chain under Mao the educated were murdered, teachers were raped, beaten to death and butchered by there student's, farmers forced from there lands leading to famine and during the height of this mass starvation and die off of so many millions of Chinese members of the Ruling Communist party would have so called FLESH BANQUETTES in which they actually committed cannibalism and ate people so the Communist elite never went hungry.

The twentieth century was NOT a good century at all and saw war and mass murder on a scale never before seen in human history, the Twenty First century is something that only future historians (if there are any) will be able to comment on.

Thanks for the response. Extremely well written and I appreciate it. You essentially explained what was rumbling around in my mind, I just fell short of putting it into a coherent, quantifiable statement, like yours.

Every generation has a bad guy, but not every generation had a Hitler.

The thing is, do we really need one? Sometimes I think we do.

Look at the cowards today. Cowardice is a virtue. Cowards conspire, they band together to accomplish their goals. Then when they get caught, they point fingers at one another and blame and cry foul. Everything is complicated by the lack of a supervillain. The division hits the masses when they can't agree on who is actually culpable in the calamity.

What if it's not really about the normalization of Hitler, but more a masochistic desire for an identifiable supervillain in all of this madness?

Mind you, I was born long after the time of Hitler. That's just my take on the whole trend.. Which I've followed for the better part of a decade and a half.