NATO SAYS 7000-15000 DEAD RUSSIANS-Evidence?

a reply to: randomuser

But aren’t those totals for Russia during the entire war since 2014.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Did you ever think Russia wants to be bogged down? Russia has tons of oil and Gold. The longer they take the higher the prices go up. They have already shown the sanctions cost the world 10x as much than it does Russia. The first 4 years of sanctions Russia lost 2 billion. The countries that sanctioned lost 12 billion in profits they receive selling Russian goods.
They already reopened all the McDonald’s after renaming them and the Starbucks. Free stuff is all US is giving them. Instead of Visa, Mastercard, and the other 50 companies pulling money out of Russia it’s now staying in country and getting circulated. Bigger Oil profits pouring in, their gold is now at almost 2000 an ounce. Yea it really sucks for them to be bogged down, making this war last longer. I’m sure it’s hard to sleep at night surrounded by all that money.

originally posted by: mcsnacks77
...their gold is now at almost 2000 an ounce.

'Their gold'? Gold is global commodity, the spot price is the same for everyone and it's actually lower than where it was at the beginning of the war.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

They mine gold in the country. Gold has went from 1800.00 to 1955.00 in the last month.

originally posted by: mcsnacks77
They mine gold in the country. Gold has went from 1800.00 to 1955.00 in the last month.

It was over $2,040 on March 5th, it's down.

a reply to: mcsnacks77

They want to be bogged down, losing huge numbers of supplies, equipment, soldiers, fomenting unrest at home, and turning the whole world against them as they bomb towns?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yea but Russia invaded Ukraine February 24. So it’s up from that time. And still closer to the high side than the low side.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Huge numbers of supplies? Um they are getting US supplies that are being sent over. There’s pictures of Russian soldiers with anti-tank missiles they just took from Ukraine supply chain vehicles. Around 20-30 million dollars worth. They have lost 1400 soldiers. They have been fighting in Ukraine for 8 years. Whole world against them? They have India, China, Germany, Iran, Israel, Brazil, Mexico, and 15 more countries. 2 of those are the most heavily populated countries in the world on their side. So how can the world be against them if 3 of the most populated countries in the world are United? Unrest at home? Have you been to Russia? 89% of the country hates the US and EU. It’s the number 1 country whose citizens hate Americans.

a reply to: mcsnacks77

They admitted to over 500 deaths over 3 weeks ago. The fighting has gotten far more intense since then, if you think the number of deaths went way down you're as gullible as Putin wants you to be.

I must have missed Germany united behind the Russian invasion throwing their support to it, you can link it to me that would be appreciated.

Russia is selling fuel at huge discounts to attract business because no one was buying it.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: mcsnacks77

They admitted to over 500 deaths over 3 weeks ago. The fighting has gotten far more intense since then, if you think the number of deaths went way down you're as gullible as Putin wants you to be.

I must have missed Germany united behind the Russian invasion throwing their support to it, you can link it to me that would be appreciated.

Russia is selling fuel at huge discounts to attract business because no one was buying it.

I have noticed that a large number of people on this website usually will believe lies and propaganda before the truth. Including just about anything. They think they're edgy being skeptics and critics, when they just deny anything that makes common sense, or rings true, and will jump on any bandwagon peddling snake oil. 🐍

originally posted by: mcsnacks77
Yea but Russia invaded Ukraine February 24. So it’s up from that time. And still closer to the high side than the low side.

If your logic was sound it would still be going up.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: mcsnacks77
Yea but Russia invaded Ukraine February 24. So it’s up from that time. And still closer to the high side than the low side.

If your logic was sound it would still be going up.

Just playing devil's advocate here, the price doesn't need to keep going up in order for producers of something to keep making a serious profit. It only needs to go up if you're investing in it with the intention of making capital gains. At the current high prices, anyone that exports oil or gold have got to be pretty happy as long as the prices stay at this level.

I certainly don't think Russia invaded to make money.

A lot of y’all comments aging like milk. Especially since even Russia saying almost 2k Russians dead. Need a little less conspiracy sense and a little more common sense.

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker
A lot of y’all comments aging like milk. Especially since even Russia saying almost 2k Russians dead. Need a little less conspiracy sense and a little more common sense.

All that's really being said here is the NATO estimate is vague and unreliable and the real number probably isn't what they're saying. I don't believe Russia's number either. The real figures are likely somewhere in between. It's been like this through the entire history of war. What's special about this conflict that all of a sudden for the first time in history one side is going to give us accurate body counts of enemy KIA?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Sanctions were designed to starve the Russian economy, but the carve-out for oil and gas exports is a very large feeding tube,” Schott said. “They are getting significant economic nourishment from oil and gas.”
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Wednesday said an immediate ban on Russian energy imports would plunge Europe into recession and put hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk.
French energy company TotalEnergies this week said it will stop buying Russian oil and petroleum products by the end of 2022.
This is why France and Germany turned Ukraine down yesterday after they begged for help.
Yea Ok no one is buying it. They are on pace to sell 200 billion dollars this year in oil and gas.
In 2020 they were selling barrels for 5.00 and still making money. Now they are selling it for 90.00 giving countries a 30.00 discount.
Of course deaths went down, the invasion is the most intense part of it. You are as dumb as Biden if you think over 7,000-15,000 soldiers have been killed. The US didn’t lose that many soldiers in an entire year when they fought in Vietnam for 20 years. Russia has the second best military in the world against a 70th military that’s resorted to using civilians to fight. If those figures were right then Ukraine would wipe out Russias entire invading army in a year, with untrained guerrilla fighters. Bahahahahaha…. Gimme a Break. Join the military so you can understand it. I’ve lived on military bases around the world since I was born. My dad was a lifetime service member. Me and my 5 brothers all served tours around the world. Losing 1400 is a lot in a month. But it’s impossible to lose more than 5000 in a month with technology

a reply to: mcsnacks77

Oh so Russia isn't giving China a huge discount on the oil/gas?

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker
A lot of y’all comments aging like milk. Especially since even Russia saying almost 2k Russians dead. Need a little less conspiracy sense and a little more common sense.

All that's really being said here is the NATO estimate is vague and unreliable and the real number probably isn't what they're saying. I don't believe Russia's number either. The real figures are likely somewhere in between. It's been like this through the entire history of war. What's special about this conflict that all of a sudden for the first time in history one side is going to give us accurate body counts of enemy KIA?

Ohh no. I’ve seen several claims of people on here saying 500 max. No way the Great Russian Bear is losing so many. Face facts. They’ve lost almost as much as all of Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Needs Belarus help now. Pulling troops from Gerogia. Begged Khazakhstan, who told them to blow off. Most here really think that’s all going on because they only lost a couple thousand ?

I really love though how Ukraine captured and donated the Krashukha-4 to the US. That’ll make the number pile up. Get it though. NATO propaganda machine. Russia just defending themselves. Well good thing Ukraine and NATO are loaded for bear.

No we’ll never get true numbers. It’s way more than most here are capable of believing. So many Russia is even saying 2k. Glad it’ll quiet the doubt.

Side not: I’ve been curious about NATO Special Forces involvement. It’d be idiotic to think it wasn’t happening. Biden even had the slip saying some of you have already been there during his troop speech. Might help explain the numbers to the deniers.

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: scrounger
i went though all the comments here and all i see is most of it isnt the goal of "deny ignorance" but spin, emotion and hatred for (pick a side).

lets put the hatred of Russia, Ukraine , obama, CNN or whatever "flavor" cause your supporting and lets boil it down to some BASIC FACTS.

one.
there will be NO ACCURATE CASUALTY numbers of ANY SIDE until after the battle, campaign, or war.
even then it WILL BE TAINTED by the side reporting it to hide something , deflect, justify or they just dont HONESTLY KNOW.
but WILL BE MORE ACCURATE (or at least researchable) than the current moment.

two...
russia had (pretty good estimate) 180,000 (give or take) troops on the boarder for the invasion.

three..
russia has to ATTACK AND TAKE the country. The Ukrainians are the DEFENDERS.

four..
alot of fighting goes from open fields to urban street fighting..
by any past military history it is quite messy and DEATHS DO HAPPEN.

Five... we are using weapons of war that today are designed and effective at causing death and destruction at ONE SHOT and maybe two.

especially anti tank and anti aircraft weapons that are designed to kill with one shot.


so given all this people are gonna die in large numbers and ESPECIALLY in vehicles killed by anti tank/vehicle weapons.

along with machine guns and Field artillery that have been proving since WWI they kill in great numbers.

so the death toll on BOTH SIDES is gonna be more than a few hundred
given soviet doctrine involves attempt to steamroll over opponents with numbers and they are not achieving the quick victory they said they would

why do you think they are not winning? Because people are just stopping and having (as my british friends say) "tea time"?

again i dont know what the true numbers are but all you NITWITS claiming either side is not having high casualty numbers is not living in the land of REALITY.

in short

this isnt the A team tv show or the GI joe comic (of the 80s) where you shoot thousands of rounds of bullets, lazers, missiles, shells, ect and all you do is destroy planes, tanks ect
where no one dies, they jump out of the way / out of the plane/out of the vehicle/ect ALIVE and taken prisoner.

lets try to find the FACTS and cut the bantha dung slinging because you support (or hate) a side, cause, whatever.

scrounger


PS.. if you want to look at what damage the weapons can do a You tube search is easy and quick.

I went through and read your posts. And Ukraine have antitank/vehicle weapons. Okay

ok and?

And what do Russia have? Just a gun?

if your trying deflection your doing a piss poor job of it.. everyone knows russia is using guns, tanks, and all other modern military equipment. so why the "capt obvious" comment?

And run towards the entrenched “defenders” ukranians?

run, crawl, drive, fly... YES... along with stand off weapons to try to eliminate some before engaging. along with what do you think is involved in urban combat? your obvious questions that can be answered by a simple google search, you tube or pick up a HISTORY BOOK are baffling me why your asking them

Russia have more than just guns and tanks for ukranians to blow up

which is why you have alot of dead military personnel. do you think that war just destroys equipment and people come out alive? smh

. As you can see what they did to Mariupol. It’s been levelled. They have destroyed 4000 Ukranian military installations.

ok and i ask again AND? outside of again stating the obvious where are you going with this?

They most likely have inflicted massive damage to ukranians too. If 10,000 is the number of russians dead then fine, dont’t tell me Ukranians deaths are 25% of that. And thats what we’re discussing.

no people like you are ranting about numbers like both sides have equal outcomes in a situation and/or picking one side over the other so your "side" cant have more casualties than who you dont support.

your last statement is a great example of not following basic logic.

if russia brings 180,000 (give or take) initially people to invade with and ukraine (as every main stream press points out at nausium) has not close to that amount of people, equipment, ect.
how in common damn sense can you rant that russia cant have much more casualties than ukraine?

i dont know which side (if any) you support and really dont care.
nor do the facts and logic either.

russia is using typical russian military tactics, are NOT WINNING and that can only be because their death toll, injured, captured is higher than they claim or predicted.

its that damn simple.

again we WONT KNOW the exact amount (if ever( until the whole thing is over.
but bring more men to the war, you can and do loose more than your opponent.

Scrounger

a reply to: PassiveSeeker


so your saying because XX campaign/conflict and had YY deaths. That this SPECIFIC conflict has to follow those numbers?
are you that much of a supporter or just that willfully ignorant.

you bring 180,000 plus people to an INVASION with modern weapons designed to KILL people and destroy equipment with one or two shots (depending) and less than 500 can only reasonably be killed?

we KNOW such facts as a russian tank has minimum a crew of three and each kill from an ANTI TANK missile will KILL THE CREW.
that its more than reasonable that given they have NOT WON that over 200 tanks alone (thats being conservative) have been destroyed. that means MINUMN in tanks alone 600 deaths (3 X 200).

again ANOTHER of someone wanting to ignore any number , statistic, or even estimate that would tarnish the side/agenda/view they hold.

yet again ANOTHER example of the points i made in my comment

scrounger

originally posted by: scrounger
a reply to: PassiveSeeker


so your saying because XX campaign/conflict and had YY deaths. That this SPECIFIC conflict has to follow those numbers?
are you that much of a supporter or just that willfully ignorant.

you bring 180,000 plus people to an INVASION with modern weapons designed to KILL people and destroy equipment with one or two shots (depending) and less than 500 can only reasonably be killed?

we KNOW such facts as a russian tank has minimum a crew of three and each kill from an ANTI TANK missile will KILL THE CREW.
that its more than reasonable that given they have NOT WON that over 200 tanks alone (thats being conservative) have been destroyed. that means MINUMN in tanks alone 600 deaths (3 X 200).

again ANOTHER of someone wanting to ignore any number , statistic, or even estimate that would tarnish the side/agenda/view they hold.

yet again ANOTHER example of the points i made in my comment

scrounger

I think you missed what I said completely. I’m tired of the low number Russian casualty sayers. Common sense dictates both sides are in the multiple of thousands. I said I am sure they are approaching same amount of casualties in this month as the 10 year long invasion of Russia in Afghanistan.