Was Jesus talking to us now, from the past?

a reply to: Deetermined

under the current Gospel of the grace of God, one should be humble but not self centered as a child is. You can come to him JUST AS YOU ARE Child like or not, and if you believe on him through faith by God's Grace you are saved.

Noticed I said "SAVED' right now today you can have the assurance of Eternal Salvation for he is the Author if it.

a reply to: Deetermined

Originally posted by Deetermined
Maybe we're having a complete communication breakdown, but if someone doesn't "realize" it or "find it" (as you have stated yourself already), then they don't have the Holy Spirit, so it proves that they DO have their own spirit that is separate from God's. Even Jesus said that some are children of the devil...

No… it means they don’t know that their Spirit is connected to God, until they realize it…

“Realize” means to become aware of something that is a fact, or was always true…you just weren’t aware of it until you realized…

The Children of Hell are those mentioned in (Matthew 23:15) i.e. the ones who are just taught to follow a Relgion; as they were denied the True understanding that comes from the Spirit…

Most of the Worlds major religions are about Morals and following a set of guidelines or Laws ect…Many religions just focus on a set of Laws, while others are about seeking union with the divine…which in turn helps them to walk a righteous path…some religions try to do both…

The point being is the Laws come from an underlining Spiritual understanding…Jesus weighed up the commandments by breaking it down to just 2…Which was to love God and your neighbor as yourself…The very reason Jesus states those things is because God’s Spirit lives inside everyone…


- JC

a reply to: Deetermined

Originally posted by Joecroft
You’re missing a lot…you thought my first post was promoting a religion…when it was clearly against religion…

Originally posted by Deetermined
I don't understand what you mean by that,
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I meant your response below to this post

Originally posted by Deetermined
You can't take the Bible that introduces and explains who and what the Spirit is and highjack it to create your own faith or religion on what it is. At that point, you might as well go write your own book if you're not going to listen to what Jesus says about it in the Bible.

To which I replied with…

Originally posted by Joecroft
Again, didn’t you read anything in my last post…Jesus was warning against Religion…I even mentioned the verses (Matthew 23:15)…

What I outlined in my last post has nothing to do with Religion…and everything to do with Spiritual truth. To say I’m creating a Religion is to completely misunderstand my entire last post…last thing this world needs is another religion…

I'm pretty sure most people reading this post would know that I wasn’t promoting a religion…

- JC

a reply to: Joecroft

No… it means they don’t know that their Spirit is connected to God, until they realize it…

“Realize” means to become aware of something that is a fact, or was always true…you just weren’t aware of it until you realized…

The Children of Hell are those mentioned in (Matthew 23:15) i.e. the ones who are just taught to follow a Relgion; as they were denied the True understanding that comes from the Spirit…

You're just playing word games to make yourself feel better, but they lack all sense. If everyone were to realize that their spirits were connected to God, then there would be no need to label anyone as "Children of Hell" or be denied true understanding that comes from the Holy Spirit.

We've already established the fact that not everyone will be saved when one of Jesus' own disciples betrayed him and Jesus said it would have been better for him if he had never been born at all.

What's becoming clear from our conversations is that, like the Pharisees and Scribes, you're refusing to recognize Jesus for who he said he was. That's why they were denied true understanding and the Holy Spirit. It's not about "religion" or biblical laws. it's about the true understanding that Jesus is the Messiah, and only through him are we reconciled to God the Father. Instead of listening and hearing what Jesus was telling them, they wanted to put him to death.

John 14:6

6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

John 8:24

24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

Those who reject Jesus are rejecting God and Jesus says so himself...

John 8:42

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me for I proceeded forth and came from God;...

John 14:7

7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”

a reply to: Joecroft

What I outlined in my last post has nothing to do with Religion…and everything to do with Spiritual truth. To say I’m creating a Religion is to completely misunderstand my entire last post…last thing this world needs is another religion…

I'm pretty sure most people reading this post would know that I wasn’t promoting a religion…

Whether you want to call it "religion" or not, all you've really done here is create your own "Spiritual truth" and belief system by TRYING to use Bible verses to back it up, and you failed.

Surely you can find other authors, books, and videos to promote your beliefs without bastardizing the Bible. I'm sure Itsnowagain can help you with that.

a reply to: Deetermined
Is Jesus the man and Christ the God?

Because Christ means....the way, the truth, the life.....the visible image of the invisible God.

But Jesus was a mans name......

Jesus the apparent man, realised what reality is.....what he was, what everything is.

All that appears, all that is existent is made of the one light.

Ever present...nothing other.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

If every man was the visible image of God, we wouldn't be sinning and committing evils around the world.

I don't know how many times I have to explain that to you.

Jesus is the "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE FATHER" and he told us that "NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME" because of it.

It's already been explained to you a thousand times that Jesus was the Word, who was in the beginning with God, and was God in John, chapter 1 before he became flesh. We were not in the beginning with God and Jesus was the only flesh that walked on this earth that never sinned. We are reconciled to God through Jesus.

a reply to: Deetermined

John 14:6 is connected directly to Ephesians 2:8.

John 8:24 no where is a christian to believe that he is. The the gospel of the grace of God is 1 Cor 15:1-5, Ephesians 2:8, Romans 10:9-11,

And what is it they believe he is anyway? The son of God, the Christ, their Messiah. Under the Gospel of the Kingdom that is exactly what they are to believe and it states they must keep Jesus commandments, the Mosaic commandments, and from the Jew Paul he said the commandments of men as well (except if it went against God's word).

We know him because Jesus the Father and the Holy Ghost all dwell in the believer under the gospel of the grace of God.

Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Ro 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
1Co 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

That is why so many say it is not about religion but about a relationship. But that too should be tested by the words of God as found in the pages of the Holy Bible.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Deetermined
Is Jesus the man and Christ the God?

Because Christ means....the way, the truth, the life.....the visible image of the invisible God.

But Jesus was a mans name......

Jesus the apparent man, realised what reality is.....what he was, what everything is.

All that appears, all that is existent is made of the one light.

Ever present...nothing other.

1) Christ in English, in the Greek Kristos, and in Hebrew it is Messiah, they all mean Anointed.

Jesus said, John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. See that word "by" it indicates that a man must do something after belief, that is the Gospel of the Kingdom. "Through" would have indicated that something supernatural takes place at belief, that is what you get with the Gospel of the grace of God, by faith through faith alone.

a reply to: Deetermined

We are in Adams Fallen Image.

a reply to: Deetermined

Originally posted by Deetermined
You're just playing word games to make yourself feel better, but they lack all sense. If everyone were to realize that their spirits were connected to God, then there would be no need to label anyone as "Children of Hell" or be denied true understanding that comes from the Holy Spirit.

Those labels would still exist…as the people who haven’t realized their connection to God…are the ones who walk in darkness, not knowing the truth etc…

Originally posted by Deetermined
What's becoming clear from our conversations is that, like the Pharisees and Scribes, you're refusing to recognize Jesus for who he said he was.

No, I’m refusing to accept the Religion of Christianity that edited out the real Jesus and pasted a Religion over the top of it…

The reason you haven’t found this truth out yet, is because you’ve accepted it as being all true…without ever having truly questioned or searched out why what you believe in is true…i.e you’re just blindly accepted and followed a Religion…you’ve never truly searched, and you’re not even looking to seek now…

Originally posted by Deetermined
Whether you want to call it "religion" or not, all you've really done here is create your own "Spiritual truth" and belief system by TRYING to use Bible verses to back it up, and you failed.

It’s not my Spiritual truth it’s universal Spiritual truth…that has always been there…it was around long before Christianity ever showed up…and will be there long after it’s gone…

Anyway…I’m ending this discussing for 3 reasons…

Number 1…
I clearly outlined in my first post why it’s not a religion…which you didn’t even try to understand…which is not a good sign for continuing this discussion any further…

Number 2…
You asked what the “right questions” were in another post …but I’d already given 2 possible “right questions” in one of my previous posts …So again, that’s not a good sign that you’re even taking on board certain key things that I’m writing about…or that you are even interested in questioning your own beliefs!

Number 3…
You seem to be unable to realize that I believe the Bible has been edited and changed…and that it’s basically a created Religion. So you constantly throwing up verses to prove your position is kind of defeating the object…If you’d realized this and started asking the “right questions” then I would have definitely continued the discussion…but it’s clear you’re either not paying attention or you’re not even interested…

So for all those reasons above…

…I’m out of this discussion…

- JC

a reply to: Joecroft

The problem is that you try to use the Bible to justify your unbiblical beliefs. If you think it's been changed, then why bother quoting it all? The Old Testament was written long before Jesus came in the flesh and before Christianity came into existence, yet it speaks of him doing so someday.

Jesus said he knew Abraham...

John 8:56-58

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”

57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”

58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

Here's what was said about Abraham in the Old Testament...

Exodus 6:2-3

2 And God spoke to Moses and said to him: “I am the Lord. 3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name Lord I was not known to them.

a reply to: Deetermined
The problem is you misunderstand what 'I AM' means.

The gospel, on the other hand, is a powerful call to stay in the now, the present, because the great “I AM” is the Lord of what is.

God replied, “This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” (Exodus 3:14).

Corinthians 6:2 reads, “I tell you, now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation.” We never experience anything, salvation included, except in the now, in the present. We can remember things from the past, anticipate things in the future, but we can only actually experience things in the present.

www.fh.org...#:

'I am'........is present tense.

Are you or are you not?
To be or not to be?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

The problem is you misunderstand what 'I AM' means.

You don't even understand what your own link says.

'I am'........is present tense.

Your link says, "Jesus is the Great I AM".

I AM is a being. It is not a word to describe a measurement of time. God lives outside of time and isn't bound by it like we are.

Reply to Deetermined

I understand very well what the link says. However, it seems that you only saw/read the title.


Can you experience anything outside of now?

Or is now the only time (which is not in time) that seeing/appearance can occur?


Now is not a measurement of time.
Now is whole and complete.....but now is divided by words.....before (past) and after (future) so you as a separate thing can seem to have a life.

There is only life.
You do not have a life because you only exist in time and time does not exist.

Only now exists.

originally posted by: Joecroft
a reply to: Deetermined
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No… it means they don’t know that their Spirit is connected to God, until they realize it…

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The very reason Jesus states those things is because God’s Spirit lives inside everyone…

The Bible also speaks about those who have received "the spirit of the world" in contrast to those who have received "the spirit that is from God" (1 Corinthians 2:12 and context). And it speaks about those "having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power" (2 Timothy 3:5). But I guess that doesn't matter to you much cause you already said that the Bible has been changed, apparently to such an extent that you seemingly feel you can pick what to disregard (with that argument, 'it's been changed'), such as that which doesn't match up very well, or doesn't fit very well into what you want to believe or talk about (brushing it away with the same broad brush; as you did when you said to Deetermined: "You seem to be unable to realize that I believe the Bible has been edited and changed…and that it’s basically a created Religion. So you constantly throwing up verses to prove your position is kind of defeating the object…"). 2 Corinthians 11:12-15 says:

But what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to eliminate the pretext of those who are wanting a basis for being found equal to us in the things about which they boast. 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light. 15 It is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness. But their end will be according to their works.

Do you believe these people received "the spirit that is from God"? Or might they have been affected by "the spirit of the world" instead? As 1 Cor 2:12 contrasts the situation, rather than describing people as having both, as you might want to say now (if you want to go with something other than a variation on 'the Bible has been changed').

Spirit of the World (Reasoning From the Scriptures)

Definition: The impelling force that influences human society made up of those who are not servants of Jehovah God, causing such people to say and do things according to a characteristic pattern. Although people act on individual preferences, those who manifest the spirit of the world give evidence of certain basic attitudes, ways of doing things, and aims in life that are common to the present system of things of which Satan is ruler and god.

Why is being tainted by the spirit of the world a matter of serious concern?

1 John 5:19: “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (Satan has fostered a spirit that dominates the thinking and activities of those of mankind who are not Jehovah’s approved servants. It is a spirit of selfishness and pride that is so pervasive that it is like the air that humans breathe. We need to exercise great care not to submit to Satan’s power by letting that spirit mold our lives.)

At Romans 12:2, we are counseled: “Stop being molded by this system of things, but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” Those inspired words show that whatever molded our thinking before we learned the truth, it is possible to bring our thoughts into closer harmony with God’s. True, our thinking has to some extent been influenced by hereditary factors and past experiences. But the mind is flexible and can keep changing. To a large extent, any such changes will be determined by what we allow into our mind and what we choose to dwell on. By dwelling or meditating on Jehovah’s way of thinking, we can prove to ourselves that his viewpoints are right. It will then be our natural desire to bring our thoughts into alignment with his.

Note, however, that in order to make our mind over to Jehovah’s way of thinking, we need to “stop being molded by this system.” We must stop taking into our minds ideas or viewpoints that are in opposition to God’s. The importance of this preliminary step can be illustrated with food. A person might seek to improve his health by eating food that is nutritious. But of what value would that be if he is also ingesting regular doses of contaminated food? Similarly, feeding on Jehovah’s thoughts will be of limited value if we are corrupting our mind with worldly ideas. (see also the article linked in my signature and the context for the excerpts there and under my profile name)

What are some of the characteristics of the spirit of the world against which we need to be on guard?

1 Cor. 2:12: “Now we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God, that we might know the things that have been kindly given us by God.” (If the spirit of the world takes root in a person’s thinking and desires, its fruitage is soon seen in actions that manifest that spirit. So, breaking free from the spirit of the world requires not only avoiding unchristian activities and excesses but also getting to the root of the matter by cultivating attitudes that reflect God’s spirit and genuine love for his ways. This you should keep in mind as you consider the following manifestations of the spirit of the world.)

Doing what a person wants to do, without regard for the will of God

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Reacting to situations on the basis of pride

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There are a bunch more listed there but I cut it off. Didn't want to make my comment too long.

a reply to: whereislogic

the KJBible is the promise from the Father to preserve his words to every generation forever. Psalm 12:6-7. IN that verse they is the words not a people.

Right division is not in the JW handbook now is it?

JW teaches replacement theology similar to that of the Roman Catholic Church except without the religious rituals.

1) Both claim you have to be a member of their group to be saved.
2) Both have extra biblical writings that more clearly explain the Scriptures. Watchtower, AWAKE are two publications your group puts out claiming that they are equal to the Bible. The RC does the same with its periodicals from the Knights of Columbus and Guideposts publications.
3) Both do not have the assurance of salvation and claim you can lose your salvation and be accursed if you leave their group.
4) both add works of some sort to their salvation. i.e. Door to Door visitations and sales of Watchtower or AWAKE magazines a must, multiple weekly meetings required. The RC adds penance repetitive prayer and regular Attendance to mass to receive Christ as a cookie.
5) Both Claim they are the only way and everyone else is accursed.