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Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky was Irresponsible in Asking Citizens to Fight Russian Soldiers.
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a reply to: BigfootNZ
You are behind. The Russians are starting to ramp up the deaths/destruction after allowing unimpeded evacuations.
You didn't see the video clip yesterday of the Russian column that refused to fire on civilians who were blocking their forward motion.
They were told to not kill civilians earlier this week. That is quickly changing. Those who want to leave are mostly out of the cities now.
You are behind. The Russians are starting to ramp up the deaths/destruction after allowing unimpeded evacuations.
You didn't see the video clip yesterday of the Russian column that refused to fire on civilians who were blocking their forward motion.
They were told to not kill civilians earlier this week. That is quickly changing. Those who want to leave are mostly out of the cities now.
edit on 3/2/2022 by carewemust because: (no reason given)
a reply to: mysterioustranger
It was reported throughout the MSM that 16 year olds were being drug from their families and forced to go fight
No one forced them. But, would you stay for your country? I would.
It was reported throughout the MSM that 16 year olds were being drug from their families and forced to go fight
a reply to: carewemust
Resistance shows russians are not immortal. We have to be carefull.
They have to fight for their lives and freedom, against the occupant. If everybody leaves, where they want to come back after war? New Russia on Ukraine? This is fight is not another war for oil. It is about existence and future.
Someone has to have balls.
We will get rid of Putin and push russians behind the Ural, where they originally belongs.
Slava!!
Resistance shows russians are not immortal. We have to be carefull.
They have to fight for their lives and freedom, against the occupant. If everybody leaves, where they want to come back after war? New Russia on Ukraine? This is fight is not another war for oil. It is about existence and future.
Someone has to have balls.
We will get rid of Putin and push russians behind the Ural, where they originally belongs.
Slava!!
They all had choices to make, many Ukrainians (it seems) were eager to form defense teams once they knew they would be armed.
Many Americans would stand and fight against the odds if it was happening here, why should it surprise people if folks in Ukraine have pride and strength of character. (before anyone says BUT NO ONE IS FIGHTING NOW, piss off fighting off an invasion is different than fighting in the courts, or on election day)
In their place, I think I would get the family to safety then arm up, dont think I would dig in, its the hit and run types that will have a good chance to survive, the folks dug in deep in the cities are going to have a rough go of it.
Many Americans would stand and fight against the odds if it was happening here, why should it surprise people if folks in Ukraine have pride and strength of character. (before anyone says BUT NO ONE IS FIGHTING NOW, piss off fighting off an invasion is different than fighting in the courts, or on election day)
In their place, I think I would get the family to safety then arm up, dont think I would dig in, its the hit and run types that will have a good chance to survive, the folks dug in deep in the cities are going to have a rough go of it.
originally posted by: just4fun
a reply to: mysterioustranger
No one forced them. But, would you stay for your country? I would.
It was reported throughout the MSM that 16 year olds were being drug from their families and forced to go fight
That's not wise. Maybe the leaders in Ukraine are working with Russia to get rid of as many males as possible?
Got any videos of the Ukrainian refugees? Are they 90% women and children/babies?
a reply to: carewemust
If you would not stand to defend your home, the homes of your friends, and your countrymen, then one might question why anyone should balk at repealing the US 2nd ammendment.
One might even go so far as to question whether you deserve the home you would not defend.
There are far worse things than death.
And assassination of a head of state, absent a declared state of war, by the agent of a foreign nation is an act of open war.
In this case, potentially, a nuclear war that could incinerate the entire world.
So, curiosly, you would flee your homeland in the face of an un provoked invasion, to avoid "certain death", yet you advocate in favor of an act of state-sanctioned assassination that could result in millions of innocent people dying in a nuclear holocaust....One of whom could likely be you?
I question your logic.
If you would not stand to defend your home, the homes of your friends, and your countrymen, then one might question why anyone should balk at repealing the US 2nd ammendment.
One might even go so far as to question whether you deserve the home you would not defend.
There are far worse things than death.
And assassination of a head of state, absent a declared state of war, by the agent of a foreign nation is an act of open war.
In this case, potentially, a nuclear war that could incinerate the entire world.
So, curiosly, you would flee your homeland in the face of an un provoked invasion, to avoid "certain death", yet you advocate in favor of an act of state-sanctioned assassination that could result in millions of innocent people dying in a nuclear holocaust....One of whom could likely be you?
I question your logic.
edit on 2-3-2022 by Mantiss2021 because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: carewemust
Wolverines!
Losses of the Russian military in equipment and men during the war in Ukraine between February 24 and March 2, 2022
www.statista.com...
Russian Losses
Troops 5,840
Combat Armored Machines/APV 862
Automotive equipment 355
Tanks 211
Artillery systems 85
PMM tanks/fuel tanks 60
Grad systems 40
Helicopters 31
Aircraft 30
Anti-aircraft missle system BUK 9
Drones 3
Light speedboats 2
Elite fighting unit sent to assassinate Ukraine President Zelensky killed
www.mirror.co.uk...
www.thetimes.co.uk...
More than 400 Russian mercenaries are operating in Kyiv with orders from the Kremlin to assassinate President Zelensky and his government and prepare the ground for Moscow to take control, The Times has learnt.
The Wagner Group, a private militia run by one of President Putin’s closest allies and operating as an arm-length branch of the state, flew in mercenaries from Africa five weeks ago on a mission to decapitate Zelensky’s government in return for a handsome financial bonus.
I'm having a really hard time believing those statistics are factual; they just seem too grossly exaggerated.
originally posted by: residentofearth
a reply to: carewemust
Resistance shows russians are not immortal. We have to be carefull.
They have to fight for their lives and freedom, against the occupant. If everybody leaves, where they want to come back after war? New Russia on Ukraine? This is fight is not another war for oil. It is about existence and future.
Someone has to have balls.
We will get rid of Putin and push russians behind the Ural, where they originally belongs.
Slava!!
Your determination built on faith is noble. Obviously you don't see this as a time to "stay alive to fight another day".
a reply to: Mantiss2021
If you've ever read any of my posts over the past 10 years, I've advocated saving thousands by killing one, in a covert way, if that assassination can start a war.
Over $1 Trillion spent on developing ways to kill, It's a certainty that some of them involve "heart attacks", "poisoning", and other ways that are totally unknown.
The laws against assassinations were written by the people who don't want to be assassinated, lol. Common sense says if one man ordered the war, that one man should be eliminated. Common sense overrides self-serving laws, any day.
If you've ever read any of my posts over the past 10 years, I've advocated saving thousands by killing one, in a covert way, if that assassination can start a war.
Over $1 Trillion spent on developing ways to kill, It's a certainty that some of them involve "heart attacks", "poisoning", and other ways that are totally unknown.
The laws against assassinations were written by the people who don't want to be assassinated, lol. Common sense says if one man ordered the war, that one man should be eliminated. Common sense overrides self-serving laws, any day.
originally posted by: infolurker
originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: mysterioustranger
Would you stay and fight to the death in the face of such overwhelming firepower?
Ummmm.. Fight to the death in the face of overwhelming firepower?
Well, Yeah
You know that was our plan / mission when we expected Soviet invasion of Europe. Those units on the East side of the Rhine River to the Fulda Gap were fully expected to do exactly that. Hell even on the West side of the Rhine was strictly a holding action until reinforcements.
Using Molotov Cocktails, Rifles, Stones? What "reinforcements" are coming to Ukraine's rescue?
a reply to: carewemust
Seriously, why should people just bow down to Russia?
They are a hard line communist government, Putin is
hard line communist dictator.
NO, just NO to letting them kill innocent civilians for blood lust!
Someone has to fight!
Let those who want to volunteer do so!
Seriously, why should people just bow down to Russia?
They are a hard line communist government, Putin is
hard line communist dictator.
NO, just NO to letting them kill innocent civilians for blood lust!
Someone has to fight!
Let those who want to volunteer do so!
Honestly once people stop buying russian oil I expect the mob to clip putin fast to save their wealth.
Everyone I have talked to from Russia says the same thing, yea Putin is at the top but the mob makes the country work.
Everyone I have talked to from Russia says the same thing, yea Putin is at the top but the mob makes the country work.
Volodymyr Zelensky using Ukrainians as cannon fodder. They can't win against Russia Military. If Ukraine President was smart, he would of made a deal
with Russia to not join NATO, if Russia would give them a big discount on natural gas and trade, instead he wanted to be a puppet for US/NATO.
a reply to: burntheships
I thought the Ukraine military was going to scrape the 40 mile-long Russian column, causing chain-reaction explosions.
Why did that never occur?
I thought the Ukraine military was going to scrape the 40 mile-long Russian column, causing chain-reaction explosions.
Why did that never occur?
a reply to: carewemust
Imagine just giving a civilian a firearm during wartime with no prior firearm safety training.
How many negligent discharges and incidents of friendly fire?
Might even do more harm than good if there are criminal elements in Ukraine receiving free firearms?
This whole thing is such a mess, just the way they like it.
Fighting for the NWO...
Imagine just giving a civilian a firearm during wartime with no prior firearm safety training.
How many negligent discharges and incidents of friendly fire?
Might even do more harm than good if there are criminal elements in Ukraine receiving free firearms?
This whole thing is such a mess, just the way they like it.
Fighting for the NWO...
edit on 3-3-2022 by 19Bones79 because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Mantiss2021
If you've ever read any of my posts over the past 10 years, I've advocated saving thousands by killing one, in a covert way, if that assassination can start a war.
Over $1 Trillion spent on developing ways to kill, It's a certainty that some of them involve "heart attacks", "poisoning", and other ways that are totally unknown.
The laws against assassinations were written by the people who don't want to be assassinated, lol. Common sense says if one man ordered the war, that one man should be eliminated. Common sense overrides self-serving laws, any day.
"...if that assassination can start a war.
I certainly hope that the above was a mistake. Or else you are advocating for war.
Furthermore, why should an assassination be carried out "covertly", if, as you seem to be implying such an act would be considered just; in the best interest of a greater number of people.
Why be concerned, if your cause is "righteous" and justifiable, with methods that hide as anything but what they are: Murder?
If you are determined to kill your opponent, declare your intentions, act honorably,
And accept the consequences.
edit on 3-3-2022 by Mantiss2021 because: (no reason given)
a reply to: carewemust
Who the f knows?
But damn if I would just let communist pigs run over me.
Bleep Russia
Who the f knows?
But damn if I would just let communist pigs run over me.
Bleep Russia
originally posted by: Irishhaf
Honestly once people stop buying russian oil I expect the mob to clip putin fast to save their wealth.
Everyone I have talked to from Russia says the same thing, yea Putin is at the top but the mob makes the country work.
What country will stop buying Russian oil first, in your opinion?
We could lead by not buying the 709,000 barrels per day we get from Russia.
That's only 3% of what we import from all countries,
According to: www.afpm.org...
originally posted by: carewemust
originally posted by: residentofearth
a reply to: carewemust
Resistance shows russians are not immortal. We have to be carefull.
They have to fight for their lives and freedom, against the occupant. If everybody leaves, where they want to come back after war? New Russia on Ukraine? This is fight is not another war for oil. It is about existence and future.
Someone has to have balls.
We will get rid of Putin and push russians behind the Ural, where they originally belongs.
Slava!!
Your determination built on faith is noble. Obviously you don't see this as a time to "stay alive to fight another day".
Through most of recorded history when your country was invaded it wasn’t questioned, you fought for your country.
However, when pitted against the odds, history has also shown us that living to fight another day can offer a longer life expectancy to do damage to the occupying enemy. Afghanistan?
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