Russia Ukraine Update Thread

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

NATO already expanded enough in Eastern Europe for the past few decades. Would you prefer if they just isolate and blockade Russia from ever entering the middle east as well to?


You seem young to understand the whole topics of these complex issues.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: agenda51
Biden to send 350 million in "aid" (AKA weapons) to Ukraine. Looks like NATO is going to War with Russia.

NO.

Not unless russia attacks NATO.

But we will support out neighbors in their time of great need.

Did you think we were bluffing?

Not very smart.

Do you really think NATO is not already there?

originally posted by: YongPengSwen
Ukrainian civilians leaving for Poland

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You thought they were going to leave their children in the path of the russian army?

Dumb.

ZERO men from 16 to 60 are leaving, and VERY few women in that age range.


Desperate much wumao?

Russian UAV films Russian BTR-82 attacking Ukrainian BTR-4

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originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

NATO already expanded enough in Eastern Europe for the past few decades. Would you prefer if they just isolate and blockade Russia from ever entering the middle east as well to?


You seem young to understand the whole topics of these complex issues.

Existence of NATO should have been done away with as soon as the USSR fell. That was the whole point in the first place.

Russian armored corps advancing in southern Ukraine

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a reply to: agenda51

NATO existence should have ended with the fall and collapse of USSR that is correct, what is the point of NATO existence in today's society?

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: YongPengSwen
Ukrainian civilians leaving for Poland

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You thought they were going to leave their children in the path of the russian army?

Dumb.

ZERO men from 16 to 60 are leaving, and VERY few women in that age range.


Desperate much wumao?

They are not being allowed to leave. Gotta kill off all the Roosters.

a reply to: vNex92

its been debunked.

Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says “No”

It is abundantly evident that Russian President Vladimir Putin is no fan of NATO. Indeed, he displays a pronounced—almost obsessive—antipathy toward the Alliance. He claims that NATO took advantage of Russian weakness after the collapse of the Soviet Union to enlarge to its east, in violation of promises allegedly made to Moscow by Western leaders. But no such promises were made—a point now confirmed by someone who was definitely in a position to know: Mikhail Gorbachev, then president of the Soviet Union.

Western leaders never pledged not to enlarge NATO, a point that several analysts have demonstrated. Mark Kramer explored the question in detail in a
2009 article in The Washington Quarterly. He drew on declassified American, German and Soviet records to make his case and noted that, in discussions on German reunification in the two-plus-four format (the two Germanys plus the United States, Soviet Union, Britain and France), the Soviets never raised the question of NATO enlargement other than how it might apply in the former German Democratic Republic (GDR).

The agreement

What the Germans, Americans, British and French did agree to in 1990 was that there would be no deployment of non-German NATO forces on the territory of the former GDR. I was a deputy director on the State Department’s Soviet desk at the time, and that was certainly the point of Secretary James Baker’s discussions with Gorbachev and his foreign minister, Eduard Shevardnadze. In 1990, few gave the possibility of a broader NATO enlargement to the east any serious thought.

The agreement on not deploying foreign troops on the territory of the former GDR was incorporated in Article 5 of the Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany, which was signed on September 12, 1990 by the foreign ministers of the two Germanys, the United States, Soviet Union, Britain and France. Article 5 had three provisions:

Until Soviet forces had completed their withdrawal from the former GDR, only German territorial defense units not integrated into NATO would be deployed in that territory.
There would be no increase in the numbers of troops or equipment of U.S., British and French forces stationed in Berlin. Once Soviet forces had withdrawn, German forces assigned to NATO could be deployed in the former GDR, but foreign forces and nuclear weapons systems would not be deployed there.

When one reads the full text of the Woerner speech cited by Putin, it is clear that the secretary general’s comments referred to NATO forces in eastern Germany, not a broader commitment not to enlarge the Alliance.

Gorbachev

Gorbachev continued that “The agreement on a final settlement with Germany said that no new military structures would be created in the eastern part of the country; no additional troops would be deployed; no weapons of mass destruction would be placed there. It has been obeyed all these years.” To be sure, the former Soviet president criticized NATO enlargement and called it a violation of the spirit of the assurances given Moscow in 1990, but he made clear there was no promise regarding broader enlargement.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: agenda51

NATO existence should have ended with the fall and collapse of USSR that is correct, what is the point of NATO existence in today's society?

fending of Russian aggression because of a deranged leader who is stuck in the 1980's

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: agenda51

NATO existence should have ended with the fall and collapse of USSR that is correct, what is the point of NATO existence in today's society?

To be the strong arm of "They" or "Them".

You know who I am talking about.... I hope.

Cant wait to see what happens to all the orphaned children.

originally posted by: agenda51

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: YongPengSwen
Ukrainian civilians leaving for Poland

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You thought they were going to leave their children in the path of the russian army?

Dumb.

ZERO men from 16 to 60 are leaving, and VERY few women in that age range.


Desperate much wumao?

They are not being allowed to leave.

Doesn't seem they want to either.

This has been the plan since russia first invaded in 2014.

ALL of those remaining civilians have been trained for a certain type of warfare since then.

While russia's potential hostages are being quickly relocated.

Exactly as planned.

And extremely wise.

a reply to: agenda51

You are wrong.. Women and children can leave. So can men over a certain age. They are defending their country and based on russian response their level of resistance is pissing russian military off (because russian military they were lied to by their leaders)

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: agenda51

NATO existence should have ended with the fall and collapse of USSR that is correct, what is the point of NATO existence in today's society?

fending of Russian aggression because of a deranged leader who is stuck in the 1980's

Thats what They/Them like to say isnt it.

originally posted by: agenda51

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: agenda51

NATO existence should have ended with the fall and collapse of USSR that is correct, what is the point of NATO existence in today's society?

Cant wait to see what happens to all the orphaned children.

Sick.

Your mom must be so proud.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: agenda51

You are wrong.. Women and children can leave. So can men over a certain age. They are defending their country and based on russian response their level of resistance is pissing russian military off (because russian military they were lied to by their leaders)

Oh... OK then.

originally posted by: agenda51

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: agenda51

NATO existence should have ended with the fall and collapse of USSR that is correct, what is the point of NATO existence in today's society?

fending of Russian aggression because of a deranged leader who is stuck in the 1980's

Thats what They/Them like to say isnt it.

Well it is the truth.

a reply to: vNex92


To keep russians from invading again.

Duh.

Lithuanian military aid arrives in Ukraine.

a reply to: agenda51

The videos from the Ukraine border say you are wrong.
The refugees who made it out of Ukraine say you are wrong.
The residents who chose to voluntarily stay and fight say you are wrong.

ok then...