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PM say's Chinese navy ship's lasing of ADF plane 'act of intimidation' | 9 News Australia

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posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: PatriotGames4u

We go all over the world spanking people when they commit human rights violations. China is a major player in that venue. Why haven't we done anything, in forever? Everyone knows why we don't smack Russia. We might have to stand toe to toe with them, but we know it won't be a cake walk. So what about China? If they are so far behind that we could smack them down that easily, why haven't we?

China is far behind the US in terms of quality of life luxuries. Their military is another story. Their spies are good, and in bed (literally) with high ranking democrats as we speak. They hold positions in national security in this country. How much do you think they know? I am willing to bet its a lot more than either of us would like to believe.



posted on Feb, 22 2022 @ 03:17 AM
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originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

We go all over the world spanking people when they commit human rights violations. China is a major player in that venue. Why haven't we done anything, in forever? Everyone knows why we don't smack Russia. We might have to stand toe to toe with them, but we know it won't be a cake walk. So what about China? If they are so far behind that we could smack them down that easily, why haven't we?

China is far behind the US in terms of quality of life luxuries. Their military is another story. Their spies are good, and in bed (literally) with high ranking democrats as we speak. They hold positions in national security in this country. How much do you think they know? I am willing to bet its a lot more than either of us would like to believe.



We don't WANT to be the world's police, and really aren't very good at it.

Never did, and never were.

We only have two tools in our box, dollars and bombs, and both have very severe consequences when used.

Unfortunately, nobody else has been willing to step forward.

I don't know how to get past this, and doubt anyone else does yet either, but we eventually will.




posted on Feb, 22 2022 @ 03:31 AM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel

Well.

"Smacking down" a large country is never easy, even with tech superiority.

Another niggling concern is what would happen to Chinese nukes. As big of a PITA as the CCP can be, they are likely preferable to a gaggle of Chinese warlords armed with bits of pieces of the Chinese nuclear arsenal.

The American government has been a slow learner regarding how difficult it is to stand a country up once it has been knocked down. After 1945, the efforts with Germany, Japan, and Italy looked reasonably successful and it was mistakenly assumed that could be done all over the world.

The USA, btw, wasn't the only power that misjudged how difficult "nation-building" is. The mess that is post-colonial Africa today is a legacy of the Europeans vastly underestimating that same challenge.

Like the other commenter said, what is really needed is for other countries to step up --but-- in a spirit of positive cooperation. That hasn't happened yet. Even within Europe, the EU practices neocolonialism on their own member states.

Lot of "elites" all over the world need to wake up before that changes.

Cheers



posted on Feb, 22 2022 @ 04:55 AM
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"Lot of elites all over the world need 'to wake up' before that changes"


"to be removed"


Otherwise I agree 100%.

Wish I was so eloquent




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posted on Feb, 22 2022 @ 05:06 AM
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"The American government has been a slow learner regarding how difficult it is to stand a country up once it has been knocked down. After 1945, the efforts with Germany, Japan, and Italy looked reasonably successful and it was mistakenly assumed that could be done all over the world.

The USA, btw, wasn't the only power that misjudged how difficult "nation-building" is. The mess that is post-colonial Africa today is a legacy of the Europeans vastly underestimating that same challenge."




I've seriously considered the reasons for this many times over the past 30+ years.

Just can't ever seem to stop, because I really HATE the only possible conclusion that I've come up with:


Successful nation building like the historically unprecedented things we did after ww2 is only possible when a complete set of certain specific attributes are present, and one of those attributes is the complete destruction of the country in question, to the point of unconditional surrender.

That is so heavy a price that we MUST, and will, find another way.

Eventually.




The massive 50 year and counting China effort has also been historically unprecedented in many ways, and has had more positive impacts on more humans than anything any other country or culture has ever done for another in the history of the planet.

A humongous understatement of the highest possible order.

Unfortunately, it has also failed pretty spectacularly in many aspects so far, at an already incalculable cost.




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posted on Feb, 22 2022 @ 06:26 AM
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Thanks, I've gotten better. I used to be about as eloquent as 105-mikemike fin-stabilized discarding sabot.

Re: China. One thing that stands out with "problem countries" (as seen from the Western perspective) is that they appear psychologically imprisoned by their past. All countries have issues with that, but for some, the effects are toxic.

* North Korea is dominated by having failed to conquer South Korea.

* China is still eaten up with the humiliations of the early 1900s and the war with Japan.

* Russia is fixated upon the loss of the Cold War, even though NATO/the West are the least of Russia's security challenges.

* Iran has trapped itself in an endless religious dictatorship because the Shah attempted to forcibly modernize their society.

One could include the political structure of the EU, which can't seem to get over BrExit, even though they have much bigger fish to fry.

All I can conclude, is that at the group level called "national", the herd instinct and emotions are incredibly primitive.

Cheers



posted on Feb, 22 2022 @ 12:36 PM
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"Re: China. One thing that stands out with "problem countries" (as seen from the Western perspective) is that they appear psychologically imprisoned by their past. All countries have issues with that, but for some, the effects are toxic.

* North Korea is dominated by having failed to conquer South Korea.

* China is still eaten up with the humiliations of the early 1900s and the war with Japan.

* Russia is fixated upon the loss of the Cold War, even though NATO/the West are the least of Russia's security challenges.

* Iran has trapped itself in an endless religious dictatorship because the Shah attempted to forcibly modernize their society"


Agreed.

And the only historically successful way to get past that is to defeat them to the point of unconditional surrender before 'nation building'.

A HORRIFIC price.



posted on Feb, 23 2022 @ 11:35 AM
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FWIW, I don't think we should even try to be the world's police force. Its simply not our job. We sympathize with those who suffer human rights violations but that doesn't make it our responsibility. We would be better served defending our own sovereign freedom right now than anyone else's.



posted on Feb, 23 2022 @ 11:40 AM
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The smackdown doesn't have to result in a complete dismantling of the existing government. If you need to spank one of your kids you don't dismember them, you adjust their attitude. When a world power acts like an impudent child you take away their toys, smack their behind, and send them to their room with some sanctions and no tv. The idea is not to replace the system, but to correct the behavior.

This depends on the lesson taking hold and the behavior not being repeated. If that doesn't work, dismantling is always waiting in the wings for its chance in the spotlight. But I have to believe there are several stops along the way to total replacement of the existing government. Perhaps that is the mistake we have made in the past.
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posted on Feb, 23 2022 @ 05:25 PM
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originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

FWIW, I don't think we should even try to be the world's police force. Its simply not our job. We sympathize with those who suffer human rights violations but that doesn't make it our responsibility. We would be better served defending our own sovereign freedom right now than anyone else's.



Until the world is able to do it without us, there really isn't any choice.

Somebody has to stand in front of intetnational bullies and say 'I dare you to take one more step'.

Nobody else has been willing or able.

Yet.


We saw what happened when we followed chamberlain, kennedy and fdr down that path.

Not sure we could survive such spectacular idiots again.


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posted on Feb, 23 2022 @ 07:40 PM
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I strongly disagree. There is a choice. Choose not to do it.

The UN was supposed to be that body of people who would stand up for the victims of human rights violations. All they do is sit in their ivory tower and give speeches, then wait for the US to handle it. Maybe someone else sends a handful of troops for photo-op purposes, but thats about it.

If we just stop - 100% - full stop, either someone else steps up or nothing happens. I am perfectly fine with that. At least until I get some idea of who will help us when the time comes. We send money to just about everyone, including our enemies knowing they will spend that money on weapons to use against us or our allies. Who helps us when disaster strikes?



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