Lucid Dreaming, AP questions

How can you tell the difference between atral projection and lucid dreaming?

I have had quite a few lucid dreams some to the point that I thought I was awake. However I have heard that in Lucid dreams you can create any fantasy you want. I dont get that. I appear in my house and familure rooms. Sometimes they would be a little differnt but apart from that I cant manfest things. Is this a lucid dream? Its amazing experience whatever I had. I can see things in crystal clarity pick up objects and scrutinise them and come to the conclusions that Im not dreaming when I am. I also had scary false awakeneings. Could I be having astrol projection instead? How can you tell the difference between LDs and APs.

Cheers

I am just now learning about these subjects, but i would say that this sounds like astral projection because you have no control of your enviroment.

Thanks for the reply Tom. I also forgot to mention that sometimes during these experiences I hear things. Last time I heard a heart beat. It is really bizzare.

well then, it couldn't be dreaming. At least i don't think.

Originally posted by CheeseKnob
How can you tell the difference between atral projection and lucid dreaming?

I have had quite a few lucid dreams some to the point that I thought I was awake. However I have heard that in Lucid dreams you can create any fantasy you want. I dont get that. I appear in my house and familure rooms. Sometimes they would be a little differnt but apart from that I cant manfest things. Is this a lucid dream? Its amazing experience whatever I had. I can see things in crystal clarity pick up objects and scrutinise them and come to the conclusions that Im not dreaming when I am. I also had scary false awakeneings. Could I be having astrol projection instead? How can you tell the difference between LDs and APs.

Cheers

Astral projection to me is a lot more vivid than a lucid dream, also the actual process of leaving the body always has some kind of experience with it. I usually experience popping noises and/or my body vibrating as I go a.p.

I would say that if you are not sure that you are having an oobe then you most likely are not. For me its a very definative feeling.

Perhaps these links can help you out -

www.astralvoyage.com
www.astralsociety.com

cheers for the links I'll check em out now.

I thought APs and OOBE were both seperate? I thought with APs you go to a dimention were memories and dreams are kept thats why sometimes you see unfamilure objects in your house becuase due to them being past memories of someone elses connected to that place.

I thought OOBE is where your spirit is floating in the physical world and you can test this by doing a coin trick on top of a wardrobe or something.

Originally posted by CheeseKnob
cheers for the links

I'll check em out now.

I thought APs and OOBE were both seperate? I thought with APs you go to a dimention were memories and dreams are kept thats why sometimes you see unfamilure objects in your house becuase due to them being past memories of someone elses connected to that place.

I thought OOBE is where your spirit is floating in the physical world and you can test this by doing a coin trick on top of a wardrobe or something.

a.p and oobe are just two names for pretty much the same thing.

There are several kinds of oobe. The two most usual ones are Astral and Etheric projection.

The astral plain is where you will meet spirits, guides, angels and all other kinds of people and beings. You can also pretty much shape the world around you to anything you want, change night to day etc. The astral plain is on a higher vibration than the etheric but lower vibrational beings can still try and get to you there.

The etheric plain is a much lower vibrarion and is a lot closer to our own physical vibration and hence you will see things and experience things pretty much as you do normally, exept for the fact you cant really interact with anything. Also manipulation of this environment is pretty much impossible. On this plain you will encounter ghosts, and lower vibrational things you really would not want to meet at all ever. Projecting to this plain is a lot harder than getting to the astral and is generally recommended for experienced a.p'ers.

When I have had lucid dreams I knew they were dreams. In some of them I could do whatever I wanted to do and did. Some if not all lucid dreams may start off as an ordinary dream and then you suddenly realize this is all a dream. I knew things were not real and I could alter the environment or anything else I wanted. I don't recall any AP but I would imagine it goes something like seeing things as they are in real time without being able to affect the environment anymore than you could in person if that. Perhaps you could travel to someone else's house and snoop around and then scare the living daylights out of some woman who was sleeping and visa versa when she screams and wakes you up out of your dream. I don't know if that is possible or not with AP. I was thinking you might be able to appear as a ghost and accidently scare someone if they saw you. I had a weird dream like that one time. I never thought a woman screaming in my dream would wake me up though.

(Posted by Diseria -- WyrdeOne's g/f)

A former teacher told us that he used to write the letter 'C' on his hand. All day long he'd glance at it (because it was in bold black) and realize/remember that he was 'C'onscious. Then, when he was dreaming, the 'C' wouldn't be there, and he'd realize that he was dreaming. He also told himself that he would have a lucid dream when he was going to sleep. (If you will it, it will be so.)

Mentioned in the movie 'Waking Life,' try turning the lights on and off, or reading the time. So they say, if you're dreaming, you won't be able to.

*bow*
-Diseria

Thing with me is I am no control of the enviroment apart from the freewill to walk and pick up objects. This is what is confusing me. I hear in lucid land you can make your dreams come true but I dont get that. The place I go to looks and feel like the real world. If it wasnt for unfamilure objects like photoframes and furniture, the ocasional weird noise and sometimes complete blackness outside the windows I wouldnt know its a dream.

WyrdeOne- That sounds like a good idea. I think I may try that.

Interesting stuff everyone. I am now beginning to wonder about my dreams. Most of the time I know that I am dreaming and because I know, I end up just thinking about the stresses of normal life while my poor imagination continues to go about trying to amuse me. I didn't realize that some people never dream, I dream every night. The only time I remember not dreaming was when I blacked out at a young age. I also find it strange that some people can't dream in color. At times I have actually thought over and studied for exams that I would have the next day while I was dreaming. I know that sounds pretty freaky, but sometimes I wish I could turn off my brain. I fear that that is what's keeping me from being able to A.P. by sheer will. I have only had 3 experiences that I know of with A.P. but I never fully left my body. For some reason I am only able to get my arms out and I can see through my eyelids but that is about it. It's weird because my arms are still my arms but they are clear. Anyone feel me on this?

I have had quite a few lucid dreams some to the point that I thought I was awake.

A Lucid Dream means you are "lucid" while dreaming, if you think you're awake, then its just a very vivid dream. The point of LD is KNOWING it when you dream.

When I have had lucid dreams I knew they were dreams. In some of them I could do whatever I wanted to do and did. Some if not all lucid dreams may start off as an ordinary dream and then you suddenly realize this is all a dream. I knew things were not real and I could alter the environment or anything else I wanted.

Sounds more like it
On the "change my dream" thing, If you wanna change your dream, start small. Don't expect you can change everything instantly (It's not impossible though), start by giving yourself some abilities, like flying, or moving things (I once noticed I could make computers crash). And then slowly take the next step. Try putting someone in your dream, think about the person walking around the corner or something.

I hope that helped

- Chris

Now im not very informed on this suject about all the technical stuff, but here are my experiences.

I "wake up" in my bed then decide to get up, then I do so, but soon realise that it all happened without any "effort".Thats when I realize im sleeping. I cant see my room in detail( like the texture of my carpet, colour of the paint), but I know theirs the door and i try to go threw it( Because this has happend many times to me I have lately made a point of trying to move as far as possible and try to notice if their is anyone else their). But its very difficult for me to move and I have to consiesly think of my body moving to actually move( Like hand my hand must be their now, Or using your thought to push your body _very diffcult to explain_). And i cant turn on lights, go threw windows, chage my enviroment and such. Although I onced went into the living room where my mom was sleeping (im 19), i remembered her their from when I went to bed, dont kow if that matters. Then punched her as best I could to see if she noticed anything when I woke up later(and she didnt). But then sometimes i get freaked out just a bit too much and try to wkae up.

Now from previous experience i know that if I go lie in my bed and try to fall asleep I will wake up( Really wake up in the real world) but lately i think I wakeup. As soon as I stand up I realize im still sleeping, this has happend about six times in a row, and I wonder if ill ever get out of it. But when i do really wake up, theirs no doubt im awake, its like i can feel my body agen and then im too lazy to get up, wich connects to what i said previously that standing up bearly takes any effort just different way of thinking about moving to move.

Can anyone shed some light on this?