Student, 20, who repeatedly raped girl, 12, he met on Tinder avoids jail

a reply to: TrollMagnet

England loves pedos.

What makes you say that?

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: UpThenDown


Of course he's an idiot, but she is not his victim, I'm sorry for her to have sexual urges she can't legally live out due to a legal systen that does not represent her biochemical development.

Oh he is her victim I get it now, are you not sorry for him having sexual urges he can’t legally live out due to the legal system.

Although with decisions like this I guess plenty of others with these urges will feel empowered

But I digress we must feel sorry for him in succumbing to this powerful and impossible to resist vixen.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: UpThenDown

She did not tell a lie, he did not ask for ID, they both wanted to #.

He is the idiot for not asking ID, but she is as responsible for not telling him her age.
The way this goes, man will have to ask for ID and have a consent form for both to sign whenever they want intercourse, better safe than sorry, that will be so romantic.

women really leave us no choice than to distrust them, first.

Doesn't tinder have a minimum age limit for opening an account?

If so, then the mere act of being on tinder means lying.

A 12 year old can not give consent. If consent is not given, its rape. Period.

Much of the discussion here relates to whether the girl looked 16 or not. That doesn't matter in the least. Visual impressions and facts are two different things. A bartender who gets fooled by a fake ID is still responsible for serving liquor to a minor, even though they went through the right steps and checked the ID. The adult is the one who is supposed to be making responsible informed decisions, not the child.

"I didn't know she was underage" has been beaten to death. It never worked, until now. I honestly cant imagine spending time having conversations with and getting to know a 12 year old and not know I was in the company of a child rather than an adult. I don't buy that excuse at all.

Pedobait deserves disciplinary action every bit as much as pedophiles, is the message we should be reading here. They're not all victims and some of them are in fact predators who know the law and knowingly lure men into sexual encounters.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

"I didn't know she was underage" has been beaten to death. It never worked, until now. I honestly cant imagine spending time having conversations with and getting to know a 12 year old and not know I was in the company of a child rather than an adult. I don't buy that excuse at all.

That's it though, all you can do is IMAGINE it. That's all any of us in this thread can do. We know nothing about this girl except her age. That's all.

However, the Judge who did "buy that excuse" is much more informed than any of us are. The Judge didn't have to imagine who this girl is.

I do also think this guy was probably pretty lucky that the Judge was a woman. Even if a male Judge had felt the exact same way, he likely wouldn't have had the balls to give the same sentence that this female Judge gave. The male Judge probably would have felt obligated to give a much harsher punishment.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: TrollMagnet

England loves pedos.

What makes you say that?

TOMMY ROBINSON

originally posted by: BrokenCircles

originally posted by: TrollMagnet

originally posted by: BrokenCircles

originally posted by: TrollMagnet
a reply to: JAGStorm

How many people do I need to point to who claimed to be ignorant of the law, but are still rotting in prison anyway to prove your argument is not an actual defense?

England loves pedos.

Your statement is implying that he was not aware it was illegal for him to have sex with a 12 year old, but that's not exactly the issue here. He didn't know she was 12. He had no reason to suspect that she was lying about her age.

 

 

I assume that since she's still a minor, then there isn't any picture of her currently available. Without a picture, I don't really think that any of us are capable of reaching an accurate definitive stance on this particular matter.

Here is my HUGE problem with your logic.

I am almost 40 years old. Do you think I could pull off that defense?

NO WAY. I would be rightfully rotting in prison right now. Because I know that is true, that tells me the judge gave the offender special treatment, because I am 100% certain that is NOT the treatment I would get if I did something that horrible.

Ignorance is not a defense

He's already served 7 months in jail for having sex with a girl who lied to him about her age, but that's still not the end of his punishment.

He has paid and will continue to pay a hefty price for being gullible and naive.

I don't know why you're so mad about it. In your opinion, how much more jail time would be sufficient?

5 year minimum

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: TrollMagnet

No one is claiming ignorance of the law.

If you claim ignorance of age, you are claiming ignorance of breaking the law.

What would you call that? Seems like an ignorance defense to me. Clear as day

a reply to: TrollMagnet

What on earth has Stephen Yaxley-Lennon got to do with you saying 'England loves pedos?'

a reply to: dragonridr

I dunno man , I can remember when I was 12 and girls were my age ,and they certainly didnt look or act like the 16 year olds girls in our group of friends.

I think any man can tell the difference between an adult and a child.

This guy was #in at it , and just lucky he got let off

but bizarre hwo this happened , she cant legally give consent anyway so it is still rape , if she is underage regardless of how old she looks or acts , so why did the law fail here exactly ?

a reply to: UpThenDown

He is an idiot not a pedophile, his urges were not underage girls he did not know and couldn't because the story she told him implied that she would be of legal age.

No force was used, she wanted it, maybe even more than him.

Don't look at it from the parents POV, look at it from two horny teens POV, it isn't such a big deal.

well ok thinking back my stupid ass parents could make a big deal out of something rather trivial. I guess this is propably a reluctant parent that threw his daughter out and instead of questioning his parenting methods hes trying to shift the blame.

And yes unfortunately some man are still hormone driven teens way past their 30.

It is illegal and he got quite a spanking, even if he really wasn't into spanking at all.

If there would have been force, human traffic, prostitution or entrapment involved by the older guy I would definetly join the pitchfork crowd.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: dragonridr

I dunno man , I can remember when I was 12 and girls were my age ,and they certainly didnt look or act like the 16 year olds girls in our group of friends.

I think any man can tell the difference between an adult and a child.

This guy was #in at it , and just lucky he got let off

but bizarre hwo this happened , she cant legally give consent anyway so it is still rape , if she is underage regardless of how old she looks or acts , so why did the law fail here exactly ?

Well, I figure it this way the judge saw her and apparently felt she doesn't look 12. I cant see if she was wrong so you have to trust her judgment. If she looks like an adult and we kow she was passing herself off as one even convinced him she has a car and a place. I dont know many 12 year olds that own a car so there is some logic in his statement. I will say this i have seen 16 yr olds that look like they are in their 20s. One is a friend of my daughter I swear I thought why is this older woman hanging out with my daughter. Wasnt until she told me she was in her classes that I realized they were the same age.

a reply to: dragonridr

Wasnt until she told me she was in her classes that I realized they were the same age.

Maybe she isn't the brightest and repeated so many times?

originally posted by: UpThenDown
Student, 20, who repeatedly raped girl, 12, he met on Tinder avoids jail after judge said he was 'immature' and thought she was over 16 while his 'sexualised' victim acted 'suggestively'

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DISGRACEFUL!!!!!!!

Without making a rash emotional judgment on this case, I would consider that the UK has the ability for both the prosecution and defendant to appeal against a sentence if it is deemed to be too lenient, or harsh. I think this is a case that will be appealed based on the former criteria. As was the case where a kid who owned some forbidden literature was (quite fairly, but that's a separate discussion) sentenced to read classic literature. On appeal, he was sentenced to 2 years in prison.

As for the actual case, it's just a complete mess. It highlights the parenting failures of the child, and the stupidity of the man. I don't know how I would have ruled if I were a judge, but being there in person adds more to the story than just reading the reports. This girl is seriously damaged by her experiences for sure, and she is a victim of multiple people, but I don't think it's just the man who is at blame by a long way. Her parents or guardians are fully responsible for their lack of care for her.

I used to lie about my age all the time when I was younger, never for sex but I knew girls who did, but to get into pubs and clubs and to buy alcohol. I could make myself look over 18 even when I was 14. I even had fake ID. When we are determined we will find a way. I just want to put that out there.

I still think that despite all the flaws, the courts mostly end up with the right verdict. The times they don't are in the minority, this may be one of those but I am not so sure.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: UpThenDown

He is an idiot not a pedophile, his urges were not underage girls he did not know and couldn't because the story she told him implied that she would be of legal age.

Don't look at it from the parents POV, look at it from two horny teens POV, it isn't such a big deal.

I agree he probably is not a pedophile and I have not used that label but the law in the UK states anyone under the age of 13 can not give consent, this is to protect vulnerable young children from such heinous crimes

And sorry I cant look at it as 2 teens as neither of them were a teen, has that part passed you by? he was 20 she was 12, teen means 13-19 therefore by your own metric it must be a big deal

Just to reitterate why I think this sentence is a disgrace

What is the legal age of consent in the UK? In the UK, the legal age to have sex with consent is 16. The law is there to protect children and is not there to prosecute two people under the age of 16 who engage in mutually consensual sexual activity. However, in the interests of protecting younger children, anyone aged under 13 is not able to legally give consent, even if proof of the consent is shown in court.

UK LAW

a reply to: UpThenDown

You have a daughter that age? That would explain your strong emotional response.

Puberty can start very early especially with girls, boys mental and phisical evolution is usually 2 to 3 years behind the girls.

I have met 12 year old girls behave more mature than some 20 years old guys...

I have met parents that would destroy a teens first love because the guy wasn't to their liking, usually doesn't work out well for them even if they succeed...

What the hell is a twelve year old doing on tinder?

a reply to: Terpene

No I dont I have a 15 year old autistic son

Could i say the same to you, do you have daughters that age?, I assume not that explains your total lack of empathy towards the victim

Assumptions about someones opinion or emotional state are irrelevant on this case, UK law as i have shown you multiple times is anyone under 13 CAN NOT give consent, why do you find that to be a grey area?

either way I dont wish to invalidate your opinion, I have mine, lets agree to disagree

peace