The reason why Lebron James and Kevin Durant are not top 5 of all time

There's always a debate about the G.O.A.T. and Lebron is mentioned like he just skipped by Kobe. It makes no sense. I understand Lebron is the biggest draw in the sport today but nowhere near the G.O.A.T. First, my top 5.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Shaquille O'Neal
5. Bill Russell

Lebron and KD are somewhere below Isaiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Tim Duncan and maybe even Steph Curry.

Steph is showing out so far this season and he has won a championship without KD but KD hasn't won one without him.

My criteria is, you need to lead your team to a 3-peat which is hard to do in the modern era of the NBA or lead your team to a championship without it being a super team.

Lebron and KD fall short. KD looks like the KD from OKC without Curry, Green and Klay making him look good. This shows KD was mostly hype and without Irving, Brooklyn is in trouble. But, Giannis didn't need an Irving to win a Championship. Kawhi didn't need an Irving to win a championship.

Why couldn't Lebron carry Cleveland to a championship like Giannis did the Bucks?

Lebron needs a super team and so does KD. You have to give players like Isaiah Thomas, Giannis, Kawhi, Bird, Hakeem and others props because they won a championship while being the lone superstar, something Lebron hasn't done.

Lebron or KD hasn't 3-peated or won a championship as the lone superstar.

a reply to: neoholographic

It's obvious: Lebron has sidelined his sport and substituted it for woke virtue signalling and changed his name to LeKaren and as we know, everything woke turns to sh!t.

The bloke has become the very definition of a libtard.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: neoholographic

It's obvious: Lebron has sidelined his sport and substituted it for woke virtue signalling and changed his name to LeKaren and as we know, everything woke turns to sh!t.

The bloke has become the very definition of a libtard.

That's true

Lebron is becoming more known for being "woke" than basketball.

Something has to cover up for how he kowtows to his genocidal Chinese masters. For all that he's on board with the social justice, he kisses up to the regime that's actively trying to wipe out an entire ethnic group in the Uiyghers, and they are an ethnic group, not just a group of people who embraced Islam.

a reply to: neoholographic

I'd put Wilt Chamberlin either right above or right below Abdul Jabbar. Definitely ahead of shaq. Wilt was so far ahead of everybody he would crush these wannabe big men of today.

Secretariat is probably still the greatest GOAT of all across any sport.

Lebron James is the most over rated player to ever step foot on an NBA court , Him taking the Number 23 before he had even proven anything put a bad taste in my mouth about him immediately .

They had to build an entire team around Lebron James in Miami to get him a championship , A championship that D Wade carried him to .

James is not even top 10 in my book .

Has LeBron James heard how the Knicks fans talk, yell, and spit at Trae Young of the Hawks?

LeBron is by far the biggest cry baby in all of pro sports. I stopped watching the NBA years ago. It's rigged and unwatchable.

a reply to: neoholographic

Lebron is largely a media creation. This recent fracas with Isaiah Stewart demonstrates what a fragile, protected dove he is compared to pretty much anyone else in the Top 10 All Time discussion. James busts a guy open because Stewart dared box him out, then runs and hides behind his team mates like a bitch when Stewart got angry, and then whines like an even bigger bitch when he gets a 1 game suspension from the league (despite the fact that the league gave Stewart 2 games because he "escalated" the situation in daring to challenge James.) Bitch behavior exposes one as little more than a bitch.

Literally everyone else on anyone's top 10 list for the NBA had a pair of nuts they let swing and they were more than happy to man up when challenged. Jordan was notorious for lighting someone up on both ends of the court if they talked crap, Kobe played like he was 1 on 5 if he felt someone had slighted him, Kareem was notorious for dismantling opposing centers after they'd tried to show him up, Russel would play finesse or he'd bang with his opponent and he'd outplay them either way, Shaq was legendary for putting people on their ass if they challenged him, the list goes on... Lebron's most deciding characteristic: he always blames his team's Lebron-hand-picked "top support player" when his team fails in the post season. The #2 must always be good enough to be qualified to point at when Lebron fails because, let's face it, nobody bought it the first run when "KIng James" tried to blame his team getting wiped out in the Finals on Larry Hughes and Ilgauskas... so it has to be a well known named player, BUT that player had by God better not be better than James because then it opens the door for James to be forced to accept blame when he fails to exceed his support's stat line. Thus we've had a string of middle of the road All Stars supporting LBJ like Love, Chris Paul, Anthony "I'm injured nightly" Davis, and Russel "I went to the A.I. School of Shoot 60 to Hit 10" Westbrook.

Jordan never blamed Pippen when the Bulls lost... Magic never pointed at James Worthy when the Lakers failed in the Finals, I never once saw Tim Duncan blame a team mate when the Spurs didn't win, Shaq and Kobe blamed each other for wins while individually self-shouldering blame for losses to the point where the two could no longer function together as team mates... James just deflects all blame onto others and, when that fails, he tosses out various excuses to avoid actually accepting blame but who is always front and center to pat himself on the back when his team mates carry his ass to a championship? Says all one needs to know about Lebron James.

I'm actually OK on Durant...

a reply to: burdman30ott6

A part of me wonders how much of this is because James was the first player to skip straight to the pros from high school (if I recall correctly) instead of spending at least a year or two seasoning in college ball.

Michael Jordan will forever and always be the GOAT. No questions. There has never been a player in NBA history to have so much of an impact on the game than MJ.

Most people don't know MJ was the #3 pick and was gifted to the Bulls. Little did they know at that time they would go on to win 6 NBA titles with MJ at the helm.

To this day I still watch his highlight reels. Most NBA games are pretty dull and boring until they get closer to playoff time. I remember early season games with MJ you would have thought were final round NBA championship games. Michael Jordan made his own teammates and opposing players better by simply stepping onto the court. His passion for winning was unrivaled.

If you want to read a great book read "The Jordan Rules". It will give insight into how much influence Michael Jordan had over the Chicago Bulls.

Edited to Add: F Lebron James. That d-bag is one of the most overrated players in history. He does nothing for the sport.

a reply to: ketsuko

Goodness no. Kobe, Kevin Garnett, McGrady, Choclate Thunder Daryl Dawkins, Moses Malone, Jermaine O'Neal, Amaire Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler... there have been dozens of HS straight to the NBA players other than James.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Huh, I wonder why I remember James as the first one that such a fuss was made about then.

I thought he was the first.