Are We going to War with China or What?

a reply to: generik

so one has to actually wonder and ask, were the bombs used on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, even nuclear bombs? or perhaps what they call a "fizzle", where they didn't work properly?

They worked as intended. The bombs dropped on Japan were fission weapons. Later nuclear weapons use a fusion reaction to generate a more powerful blast. And yes, the bombs dropped on Japan are considered "nuclear bombs".

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originally posted by: Scapegrace

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

All those people, one FIFTH of the population of earth, and most their water is not suitable for drinking, what is going to happen? They would be crazy NOT to go to war… This is about survival…

a reply to: JAGStorm

True.

China's situation is not unlike Japans situation during WW2 , America had a throttle hold on Japans access to oil so in many ways Japan had no choice but to attack . Not that I'm condoning the Pearl Harbor attacks I'm just saying it is similar.

And China could invade Taiwan tomorrow and we all know Biden would do nothing .

China consumes about 14.2 million bpd of oil and imports about 10 million bpd. The only imports it gets via pipeline are about 1.6 million bpd from Russia. The rest arrives by tanker ship. Most of that -- as much as 80 percent -- passes through the Strait of Malacca. That's more than half of China's daily consumption. Its economy would soon collapse without that oil.

The U.S. Navy could easily close the strait in a day, either halting tanker traffic altogether -- which would also hurt Japan and South Korea -- or forcing tankers to stay away from Chinese ports. If it restricted itself to a conventional response, China could retaliate against Taiwan, Japan, South Korea and/or Guam, but it would be almost powerless to stop the Navy from controlling the Strait of Malacca.

The USA has excellent allies in the Pacific: Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand and Singapore. Taiwan is a de facto ally.

China has pathetic allies, but Russia's the wild card. There's no formal military alliance between the two, however, Russia hates the United States and holds military exercises with China. Would Russia join with China in a conventional war with America? Who knows? It would seem irrational to us since China steals IP from Russia, and China covets Russian territory. But the two giants do a lot of trading with each other and perceive us as an enemy, so maybe they would. 

the question is does China hate and distrust the US more or less than they hate and distrust Russia? and does Russia hate and distrust the US more than China? remember China and Russia don't like, or trust each other, going back many decades. mainly over political differences. they have even had boarder clashes, disputing territory (seriously does China dispute territory with every Asian/Pacific country, except North Korea?), with each other. in fact i would compare a possible Russian/Chinese alliance to the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. as in one would likely attack the other without warning, and just a toss of the dice as to which one attacks first. having done this before with Germany how willing would Russia be to do it again with China?

a reply to: Riffrafter

Yes some proof might be nice there.

What's next Queen Elizabeth is a Lizard. LoL

Pray tell all the same who controls us that are not Homo Sapiens?

Let me guess, a load of Credo Mutwa/David Icke palaver?

originally posted by: Bigburgh

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
And China could invade Taiwan tomorrow and we all know Biden would do nothing .

With Russia bearing down on Ukraine, it would be a cheeky move if both China and Russia invade their intended targets at the same time.🤔

Always seems to happen during or right after the Olympics. Like Georgia and Ukraine. February we'll see better.

Instantly divide our forces and create two separate fronts...

Kinda yikes...idk lol

How would we respond in your opinion?

a reply to: andy06shake

Hollow Earth people from the other side of the flat earth.

a reply to: yuppa

Somehow i image your nation will pay what she owes yuppa.

America wont default, your better than that.

I thought it was Russia you lot were trading cyber warfare blows with if im honest.

a reply to: andy06shake

At some point you reach a level of debt that the interest is too great. We aren't there yet, but at this rate we will be.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Certainly seems to be a house of cards build on shaky foundations.

Lack of co-ordination amongst financial institutions certainly don't help matters.

Its almost as if the system is set up to fail by design.

a reply to: andy06shake

Or politicians love their bribes so much they don't care about long term consequences.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The politicians lobbyists and bankers have always been bent as a £3 note.

Nothing new on that score.

They care more about profit than they do people but i don't remember a time when the world was not shaped that way if im honest.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: yuppa

Somehow i image your nation will pay what she owes yuppa.

America wont default, your better than that.

I thought it was Russia you lot were trading cyber warfare blows with if im honest.

True,but still we could stiff china because of the cyber warfare and stealing of property. OR call the debt even since they stole alot of tech in exchange.

a reply to: yuppa

Well good luck with that as i don't imagine it works that way.

You cant stiff china without sinking your own battleship as far as i can establish.

Personally i don't see America defaulting as it would simply be counterproductive to their own economic growth.

a reply to: andy06shake

Put it this way i live on an island where just one Russian Satan 2 ICBM could blanket the place in nuclear fire from top to bottom with its payload of warheads.

Only really stupid people think nuclear wars can be won hence the reason we don't drop bombs of such calibre in anger.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Riffrafter

Yes some proof might be nice there.

What's next Queen Elizabeth is a Lizard. LoL

Pray tell all the same who controls us that are not Homo Sapiens?

Let me guess, a load of Credo Mutwa/David Icke palaver?

Possibly the best thread on ATS ever...

Well worth reading. If you haven't read it yet, you'll thank me for pointing you in this direction.

Window of Opportunity

a reply to: Riffrafter

That's your proof Riffrafter. LoL

Your right all the same it was indeed a great thread, but it does not prove anything nor provide any sort of unequivocally evidence of any sorts other than mere opinion.

You do realise that 2012 came and went with no great harvest in sight?

As to the best thread on ATS ever, i preferred "All Roads Lead To Rome" if im honest.

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Never gonna happen, we would take China apart in a few hours and turn the entire country into a sheet of black glass. We are so intertwined it is not even remotely probable.

a reply to: drallx

China would have to launch an amphibious attack to invade Taiwan, which would involve deploying troops along the islands beaches long before they could ever hope to march on the capital of Taipei.

The task of taking Taiwan and holding it is a mammoth military exercise and currently well beyond China's capabilities.

Now an attack via Chinas "Rocket Force" could indeed cripple Taiwanese military, the islands infrastructure, and her ports but to what end?

As to nuclear war, that's just a idiots game, because they will hit your major cities and metropolitan areas in return, and you wont be able to stop but a fraction of the incoming warheads.

a reply to: JAGStorm

I am personally sick of the big cock pissing contests from our so called leaders of the world. They need to get their #e together!

I think a lot of it is crap and fear mongering doom porn.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Well nothing new on that score.

Problem being absolute power corrupts absolutely.