The Elusive Black Knight

The modern myth incorporates several older narratives, re-arranged creatively.

Debunking the ‘Black Knight’ phantom satellite [1979]
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a reply to: JimOberg

I remember reading and hearing a lot about this Elusive Black Knight that is in Orbit from an UFO community a few years back. I actually might believe it.

a reply to: HawkEyi

Where do you think the "13,000 year old" meme came from?

a reply to: JimOberg

Jimmy…….did you get a chance to pinpoint exactly which one of the panel blankets, actual part name and or part number from the BOM (Bill Of Materials) that floated away from your buddy Jerry? Did Jerry share that with you? Or did you just take his word for it that it was as he told you…a blanket ……” Here's me and my buddy Jerry Ross, the guy who lost a hold of the blanket, discussing it over lunch in Houston some years later”………

Just curious as to how a single blanket (not plural from your statement above) that floated away from Jerry later appears to be 6 different shapes……or are you saying that all 6 shapes are one and the same single blanket?

These are the 6 STS pics zoomed in from the vid….


Your PDF mentions more than once that it had been said there were multiple pieces of debris…..but Jerry’s single blanket? Something is not Kosher here….

Or so then, your saying 1 of these blankets…..not all 3, because only 1 is supposed to be mishandled and floated away from Jerry, right? So then 1 of these blankets is the notorious Back Knight??

If so, which one? Top blanket on the table, or bottom left, or bottom right?



Please elaborate….

These are your pictures you referenced Jimmy….way back when


Clearly, the slide itself, above, does not mention that the blankets pictures shown as being Examples of what the Black Knight is…hmmm

Is it possible your buddy Jerry bamboozled you, as NASA would want him too. And you believed him verbatim since then? You really think the Black Knight and associated debris, looks like 1 blanket floating in space?

Can you point to any written corroborated evidence that any other members of the STS 88 crew was witness to Jerry’s Ooooops? Surely he was watched and monitored for safety and task execution…aye? Would crew members also testify that the famed Black Knight Blanket…was Jerry’s fault?



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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

I did a couple of comparisons of the blanket and the "black night satellite" in one of Jim Obergs PDFs a while back. Tumbling trunnion pin thermal blanket.

a reply to: Ectoplasm8

First row comparison appears to be close…..second row and downward is a hard sell for me….I.e.

I used the word top hat to denote the extruded cylindrical cover portion. Just doesn’t look the same to me…..it’s hard to say if those blanket parts where actually used on STS 88. Perhaps similar but not exact.



My contention with Jimmy is that in one hand he references from others in his PDF where there’s multiple pieces of debris…..only to then say…his buddy mishandled 1 blanket. 6 pictured pieces of debris does not equal one blanket.

For me, the only piece of debris that my imagination says could be most of an intact craft….is this piece…



Have you found a Shuttle part that it compares too?

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a reply to: play4keeps

In 1953 when the black knight was first reported, no one had a "public" space program. It was all classified military projects like the Project Horizon 1959 moon mission.

In fact during the Kennedy Admin they only went public for an increased space budget, because black budgets are harder to hide when expanded.

Same story under Reagan Admin, when he announced the Starwars project, it already existed but needed more money.
Hence the only reason government goes public, money.

So thermal blanket is out of the options selection for me.

It could be other debris like a detached satellite solar array, or similar object. Experimental space programs back then were all classified and for good reason too at that.

However any thing is possible so who knows really. Unless we can get an unmanned space drone to get close and record it on video, we may never know.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Did you watch the videos I linked to?

Well…..I finally had the time to read the entire 43 page PDF on the Trunnion Pin Thermal Cover Blanket a.k.a Black Knight…..I’m now calling it the Black Knight Blanket (BKB).

Has my opinion changed? Yes It has..enough of an argumentative analysis has been done to sway me to the acceptance of a thermal blanket.

It’s 6 pictured shapes are derived from the tumbling motion of 1 and only 1 blanket.



My imagination takes me here…..

(I used various filters to bring out better details)


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originally posted by: play4keeps
So, we all know the Black Knight hypothesis: it’s either a piece of debris, like a thermal blanket , or it’s an ET sentinel. Can anyone debunk this footage. Looks hokey but I have a budddy why says it’s legit.
Otherwise, I have no opinion on the matter.
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Is that footage a joke?

It's grainy and just plain terrible.

If that is the best resolution we can get from the ISS, we're in deep doo doo.

C'mon man!

originally posted by: ADVISOR
a reply to: play4keeps

In 1953 when the black knight was first reported, no one had a "public" space program. It was all classified military projects like the Project Horizon 1959 moon mission.

Reported by who? Donald Keyhoe, in his book? Exactly what is the "evidence" for this, a "signal" from orbit? I don't know how well it was understood in 1953 that if you aim a radio antenna out into space, that it can pick up some signals from the Earth even though it's not aimed at the Earth. For example:

Scientists tracked a mysterious signal in space. Its source was closer to Australia

A mysterious signal that appeared to be emanating from the closest star to our own sun put scientists on a nearly yearlong hunt to track down its origin...

"It is human-made radio interference from some technology, probably on the surface of the Earth," Sofia Sheikh, an astronomer at the University of California, Berkeley, and a co-author of both papers, told Nature.com. NPR tried to reach Sheikh but was unsuccessful.

However any thing is possible so who knows really. Unless we can get an unmanned space drone to get close and record it on video, we may never know.

What I'd like to know is exactly what evidence do you have that makes you think there's a "Black Knight" satellite (or was in 1953) even if it's not close? How good is the evidence?

According to the Armagh Planetarium story, the newspaper articles in 1954 were synopses of what Keyhoe mentioned in his book, not really independent sources.

Another story dating back to the early 1950s claimed to refer to an apparition of the Black Knight reports the detection of a signal of by an object in orbit. ...However, the articles (were) actually a couple of synopses of a book by the UFOlogical author Donald Keyhoe (1897-1988). I’m sure these promotional newspaper articles had been great for sales of the book!

One of the comments says that Keyhoe also Made claims about the Secretary of the Air Force, Talbott:

Keyhoe’s claim was picked up by the San Francisco Examiner and St. Louis Post Dispatch. According to the articles, Keyhoe said that the Secretary of the Air Force, Harold Talbott, was aware of the satellites and had even witnessed a ‘silvery, disc-shaped object’ in the sky. Though, Talbott dismissed these claims.

If Talbott dismissed Keyhoe's claims, how reliable are Keyhoe's claims? Even if Keyhoe's claims of a "signal" are true, how do you know the signal was really from a satellite? If you have good evidence of the 1953 event, please share it, but from what I've been able to gather so far, the evidence doesn't seem very good.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

A small Factoid

From the 1956 Movie……Keyhoe credited….. based on his book.



Source: Earth Vs The Flying Saucers 1956 | Colorized | Full Movie

Great Movie the colorized version! (beginning credits are in black & white)

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1
Now I'm confused. That seems like a science fiction film. But it's suggested by Keyhoe's book?

Was that science fiction too?

I don't think it was supposed to be, but apparently Talbot didn't confirm what Keyhoe claimed.

In any case, I didn't have that in my collection of science fiction classics, so thanks for posting it.
I'll add it and watch it when I have the time.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Just updating Black Knight Blanket (Trunnion Pin Cover) graphic Rev. 2.




And now for a shameless plug………Black Knight Blanket….Merchandising!!!



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[yawn] Space blanket lovers seem content to keep pretending it's an alien vehicle. Why is that not surprising?

originally posted by: JimOberg
[yawn] Space blanket lovers seem content to keep pretending it's an alien vehicle. Why is that not surprising?

These two graphics alone should be convincing enough for a majority of folks…..to conclude that attributing the Black Knight to this object is FALSE.



The Black Knight remains a subjective Myth!….

From wiki:

……..” History

According to some UFO conspiracists, the Black Knight is an artificial satellite of extraterrestrial origin that has orbited Earth for approximately 13,000 years; the "satellite" story is most likely a conflation of several disconnected stories about various objects and their interpretations, all of them well documented independently and none using the term Black Knight upon their first publication.

According to senior education support officer Martina Redpath of Armagh Planetarium in Northern Ireland:

Black Knight is a jumble of completely unrelated stories; reports of unusual science observations, authors promoting fringe ideas, classified spy satellites and people over-interpreting photos. These ingredients have been chopped up, stirred together and stewed on the internet to one rambling and inconsistent dollop of myth.

The origin of the Black Knight legend is often "retrospectively dated" back to natural extraterrestrial repeating sources supposedly heard during the 1899 radio experiments of Nikola Tesla and long delayed echoes first heard by amateur radio operator Jørgen Hals in Oslo, Norway, in 1928. Brian Dunning of the Skeptoid podcast attributes Tesla's 1899 radio signals to pulsars, which were not identified until 1968.

In 1954, UFO researcher Donald Keyhoe told newspapers that the United States Air Force had reported that two satellites orbiting Earth had been detected. At that time, no country had the technology to launch a satellite. Skeptics have noted that Keyhoe had been promoting a UFO book at the time, and the news stories were likely written "tongue-in-cheek" and not intended to be taken seriously.”……..

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1impressive work. A lot of good knowledge here. Never could find any definitive validation one way or the other but the evidence points to the original conclusion of Jim O. Unfortunately, it has become difficult to discern what we see in photos and complex CGI. This is not my expertise, so kudos to those that spend time and effort researching the claims and observations.

I will add that considering my hands-on expertise with some of the EBE materials and the deeply compartmentalized access from one topic to the other (which I had with great specificity) , confusion on what has been and is currently observed has become the rule and the challenge for all who seek truth. I appreciate the input of all here.