Why Does Biological, Organic Life Exist in a Universe that is Inorganic ?

Why Does Biological, Organic Life Exist in a Universe that is Inorganic?

Molecules often like to chemically interact with each other. Mostly these interactions are not self-sustaining, but sometimes (given billions of years and countless reactions over that time) a chemical reaction can happen upon one that self-sustains.

Occasionally, those self-sustaining reaction are reactions between organic molecules, and those molecules begin to self-assemble. Given time, those self-assembling organic molecule reactions might lead to life.

So given the propensity for chemistry to happen in our universe (organic or inorganic), and given billions of years of chemical reactions, self-sustaining, self assembling, self-replicating chemistry using organic molecules is probably bound to happen.

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

Occasionally, those self-sustaining reaction are reactions between organic molecules, and those molecules begin to self-assemble. Given time, those self-assembling organic molecule reactions might lead to life.

So given the propensity for chemistry to happen in our universe (organic or inorganic), and given billions of years of chemical reactions, self-sustaining, self assembling, self-replicating chemistry using organic molecules is probably bound to happen.

This random chance mythos defies every major thermodynamic law though. Organic monomers polymerization into protein and DNA chains is a highly unfavorable reaction, meaning it doesn't happen spontaneously. Rather, these protein and DNA chains decompose spontaneously. Consider how any dead thing will begin the decay process, rather than growing into a bigger amorphous organic blob. That's case in point.

The appeal that all of this organic logical order that is exhibited in biological organisms is random chance is the astronomically unlikely, requiring a vast number of miracles that defy thermodynamic law. It is far more likely, and in my mind definitive, that these biological and cosmological structures were designed by a Logical Creator.

a reply to: AlienView

"Why Does Biological, Organic Life Exist in a Universe that is Inorganic ?"

Because time, matter and physical conditions.

Here's a better question... "HOW does the universe even exist? And no, goddidit is not an answer.

originally posted by: ObsidianCube
a reply to: AlienView

"Why Does Biological, Organic Life Exist in a Universe that is Inorganic ?"

Because time, matter and physical conditions.

Here's a better question... "HOW does the universe even exist? And no, goddidit is not an answer.

I have an automatic rhetorical answerr to " "HOW does the universe even exist? "

How can it not exist - Describe to me a state of nonexistence

Existence says, by its very nature that non-existence could never have existed - There was always an existent state

But biological life might be another story.

I suppose it is possible that biological life is a natural byproduct of existence

And creation and creativity does not necessarily mean that 'A Creator' backs the existent state.

originally posted by: ObsidianCube

Here's a better question... "HOW does the universe even exist? And no, goddidit is not an answer.

How is, "random chance did it", a better answer? Let's hear it.

a reply to: AlienView

How can you say it shows no signs of life in its infrastructure.. It is a canvas that allows life to exist.. Provides space/ time and building blocks all used to create life. Dont forget that we are life too and part of the universes infrastructure..

a reply to: AlienView

I thought you and others here might enjoy the video or reading different ideas from this meeting of the lecture.

“What is the minimal chemical system that can undergo Darwinian evolution?” It will do so not only conceptually but empirically. It will discuss how chemists can attempt to create new types of biology, truly synthetic life. In particular, it will describe experiments to create inorganic biology: living systems that do not use proteins, DNA or sugars. The lecture will describe the chemistry, materials, and novel reactor arrays now being used to carry out these experiments. including a network reactor array the speaker constructed in his Glasgow laboratory that, he hopes, will enable his research group to create autonomous chemical entities capable of replication and adaptive behavior.

pswscience.org...

a reply to: ObsidianCube

I've yet to see a structured orderly system randomly manifest itself without intelligent design in what's generally agreed to be an entropic universe.

You can watch the sand on a beach being blown around for the rest of eternity but i doubt it will ever form a sand castle.

Time, matter and physical conditions is in no way an explanation for biological life.

“This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being . . . This Being governs all things, not as the soul of the world, but as Lord over all; and on account of his dominion he is wont to be called Lord God.” Sir Isaac Newton

"Gravity explains the motion of planets, but it cannot explain who puts the planets in motion." Sir Isaac Newton

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

"Probably bound to happen"

Considering we haven't been around for billions of years, nor have these interactions been studied for anything like that amount of time, this is pure speculation and dare i say it, nothing more than belief.

a reply to: whereislogic

Like every other atheist Dawkins must rely on miracles to validate his belief.

Atheists just need one or two miracles from God before they dismiss him.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ObsidianCube
You can watch the sand on a beach being blown around for the rest of eternity but i doubt it will ever form a sand castle.

What you will see on that beach are plenty of organic structures that adapt to conditions and circumstance over time. Just like it is preposterous to see a perfectly designed structure using natural forces, it is equally preposterous to see functioning organic organisms designed by unnatural forces.

If life was designed it would not be so full of flaws. Cancerous cellular reproduction would be designed out, deformative reproduction errors would not exist, reproduction should produce identical copies - because the original should be perfect. None of this exists in the natural world.

Life exists in abundant diversity with each generation subtly different - for better or worse - than the one preceding it. Nature does this. To appropriate the wonder and beauty of the natural world to one or more gods invented by primitive man is not only offensive, but it is the realm of primitive mind.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: TerraLiga
In that case, shouldn't we be asking who created the creators?

God is unbegotten, meaning He never needed to be created because He always existed. This Is what Alpha-Omega means.

A car has to be assembled, but tornadoes don't just accidentally pick up a scrap yard and drop a functional Lamborghini so they built a robot that assembles cars. But the robot couldn't build itself same way a car can't, so they needed an engineer to design it. But humans don't just mutate from primate predecessors, so they have to be created. So God couldn't just spawn or "perpetually exist" for the same reason as cars and assembly robots and humans. He either follows the rule of intelligent creation or he is proof that intelligent creation isn't the rule.

The one you search for is the one that makes you find yourself. When your time has come your time has come.

You can't find something without losing something else.

originally posted by: AlienView
Give one reason, any reason, for the occurrence of biological life in a universe that shows no signs of organic life in its infrastructure.

If you start with a physical Universe that does not have biological or organic lfe in it - What are the odds of living, breathing, breeding
biological life forms occurring

Like in the movie Terminator 2 a human does not come with a flash from the future.

A castle is built on a mountain. Without the mountain there would be no castle. The castle was built from the mountain by the one who wanted to live in it. We are here because of the one who made us to live in us.

Things have a time but where do things come from?

A painter looks at an empty canvas and can paint an unrealistic animal. This animal can nowhere be seen, not even when you look at the painter but the painter knows it. Through intention and action the painter can show you what he knows. He could even let you know what he knows through speech. Without touching you he can paint what he knows on the canvas within you. We are used to paint on daily and we show the world the image we are made.

We are painted by ourselves, but the canvas makes the painting. If we want a different painting we need to adjust the canvas. Certain things only fit a larger canvas and some things are too big for a smaller one.

The canvas you think you need to be can differ from the one necessary to be. Only the painter who needs to paint it knows what fits it.

Everything needs to be according the design and a canvas can be repainted.

When the painter dies, where there is no more trace of the painter, the painting is very much cared for and valuable. It is a sight to be seen and appreciated and serves as an example for other paintings.

Without a painter a canvas would not exist. Things are made for a purpose.

The water is for the soil. The soil is for the plants. The plants are for the beings. The beings are for the maker of the water and the soil and the plants made for the beings made for the maker.

a reply to: TerraLiga

Like I said, all you need is one miracle to start life off.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: TerraLiga

Like I said, all you need is one miracle to start life off.

Exactly. Intelligent design requires one miracle, whereas random chance generation requires a multitude of miracles. The atheists have a lot more faith than they know

I don't know. But that's ok, I'm not omniscient, so I can wait til we find out with facts and evidence, or accept ignorance on this issue until such a time occurs. I am completely fine with not knowing things. What I most certainly don't need is to make something up to fill that gap in knowledge, or accept anyone else's claim without proof or evidence, that would be the truly ignorant thing to do. I don't get why so many people need answers to things so badly they feel the need to make one up rather than simply accept that it's one of many things they don't know.

Why are we an assembly of elements processing gas seemingly functioning through language?

a reply to: Untun

I’d love to see the chemical formula for consciousness.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Untun

I’d love to see the chemical formula for consciousness.

Or how does the human conscience evolved from animals that do whatever they want and never feel bad afterwards.

Makes you wonder.