Alec Baldwin SHOOTING

a reply to: dollukka

People die all the time making movies. Always have. Baldwin's been kicking around since before betty got her boop so should know not to john eric hexum himself or others waving around a potentially lethal prop. But you know boys and their toys. His alarmingly younger wife was making the rounds on tmz speculating about whether her traumatized husband could ever work again. Oh he will, for a truckload of cash.

originally posted by: vonclod
I would be surprised if the film was completed.

you could be right but...

It's been my experience that when a western show runs into anykind of trouble [usually budget] they finish the film in Spain. It looks very much like the American west, complete with sets that look much like the old west looking locations that are here in tamalewood.

a reply to: olaru12
Spaghetti westerns were made in 1960s.

They were generally made in Spain and Italy (hence spaghetti).

Have you seen 'Once upon a time in Hollywood'?

a reply to: Itisnowagain And the fact that they used tomato sauce as fake blood.

wow, thanks

These guys are good.

Some relevant Alec Baldwin snippets.

George Clooney isn't cutting him any slack. Here's some of what Clooney had to say during a recent podcast:

“Every single time I’m handed a gun on a set — every time — they hand me a gun, I look at it, I open it, I show it to the person I’m pointing it to, we show it to the crew,” he told Maron.

“Everyone does it. Everybody knows,” he said.
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Clooney insisted that such safety measures were obvious to anyone in movies following previous tragedies over the decades.

The former “ER” star said he was “friends” with Jon-Erik Hexum, who died from a blank in 1984, and “good friends — really good friends — with Brandon Lee,” the 28-year-old son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee who died in a similar on-set shooting while filming “The Crow” in 1993.

“After Brandon died, it really became a very clear thing of, open the gun, look down the barrel, looking in the cylinder, make sure,” he said of industry-wide safety steps that Baldwin appears to have skipped.
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But he said that “for the life of me,” he could not understand why the Baldwin-produced flick hired rookie armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed.

“It’s a terrible accident. But a 24-year-old person with that little experience shouldn’t be heading up a department with guns and bullets on it,” he said of the “low-budget film with producers who haven’t produced anything.”

“And so it comes down to, we need to be better at making sure that the heads of our department are … experienced and know what they’re doing,” he said.

“Because this is … I’ve just never, you know — it’s just infuriating,” he said, sounding almost at a loss for words.

Basically, Clooney says that every actor knows to check their gun personally on set to make sure it is loaded as reported to prevent accidents and tragedies like the one that went down.

There is another brief snippet in there that says a scriptwriter is claiming Baldwin had no reason in the script to be firing in the direction of Hutchins at all. So there was no reason for him to do it. Of course, the source also points out that there are numerous less reliable allegations in the woman's legal complaint and she's being represented by Gloria Allred ... so, you can take this you will.

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Alec Baldwin accused of playing 'Russian roulette' on 'Rust' set by Gloria Allred as she announces new lawsuit

Attorney Gloria Allred held a press conference on Wednesday where she announced that the script supervisor on the Alec Baldwin movie "Rust," Mamie Mitchell, is the latest crew member to file a lawsuit against the actor and producers.

Baldwin was handed a Colt revolver by assistant director Dave Halls while rehearsing a scene for the indie-western. He fired the gun, which was somehow loaded with a live round that discharged, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounding director Joel Souza.

Mitchell is claiming assault, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and deliberate infliction of harm in the lawsuit that also names armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, prop master Sarah Zachry and assistant producer Dave Halls.

a reply to: xuenchen

I remember participating in a thread that outlined the corruption of the vile Allred family.

DNC operatives AND EC delegates

Baldwin is now claiming he never pulled the trigger.
www.mercurynews.com...
How did a Colt .45 revolver ever go off if the hammer was not cocked and the trigger pulled.

No one should ever walk around a movie set with a cocked single action revolver.

Alec Baldwin is full of BS and a moron if he thinks anyone that knows about guns is going to believe him.
And a moron around guns.

a reply to: ANNED

Immaculate projection.

I find the interview with Baldwin (and the unquizzical media reporting of the interview) bizarre and distasteful. I've only seen the edited version currently released to media outlets, but it looks like a cynical piece of damage limitation orchestrated by both Baldwin and Stephanopolous. I can't imagine that Baldwin's grief is insincere, but if this was an audition showreel I would reject his performance as unconvincing and hammy.

When he says he didn't pull the trigger and, "I would never point a gun at anyone and pull a trigger at them", ​surely Stephanopolous would have to ask how then the gun was pointed and discharged at the camerawoman. Did someone else fire it?

"Is this the worst thing that's happened in your life?" Why would Stephanopolous ask such an inappropriate question? The subtext of it is, "now show the audience how sorry you are."

Previously I gave Baldwin the benefit of the doubt and was more sympathetic to his plight. This calculated piece has shifted my attitude unfavourably against him.

a reply to: ANNED

I tend to try and read between the lines in articles like this, maybe a good thing, maybe not. But a few points caught my attention:

“Well, the trigger wasn’t pulled, I didn’t pull the trigger,” Baldwin, 63, said. “I would never point a gun at anyone and pull a trigger at them, never.”

That is actually possible... IF and only if the hammer is pulled back and released quickly just before engaging the trigger lock (or with the trigger held back; that's the technique sometimes employed in the fast draw*). So exactly how did a hammer get pulled back against spring pressure and release itself? Magic?

Or maybe the gun was vaccinated against the China virus earlier and became "super-uber-magnetic"?

(Sorry... just had to throw that one in there since Baldwin went for the "magically not me" defense.)

Seth Kenney, the owner of PDQ Arm & Prop, told investigators that the live round may have been “reloaded ammunition,” which is made up of recycled bullet components, and which may have come from another company that manufactures dummy rounds and blanks his business supplies to movie sets, USA Today reported. Other pieces of ammunition were brought to the set by head armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed from a previous production, NPR reported.

This bothers me. A common tactic of the recent political progressivism movement is to redefine things... and now we suddenly hear that reloaded ammunition is made of "recycled bullet components"? To most minds, that could infer "substandard bullet components," and it is a false narrative in the first place. The only thing "recycled" is perhaps the casing! Solid lead bullets (aka "wad cutters") can be cast from used lead bullets as well, but solid lead is rarely used except for target practice; most bullets are made of a harder metal casing partially surrounding a lead filling, and they cannot be easily made by a craftsman. Even the casings do not have to be recycled... new casings are available, although they are often reused after being inspected for signs of wear to save money (that is why it's called "reloading," as the used casing is loaded again with new components). A "reloaded" round can actually be made of all new materials; the only difference is that it is loaded manually instead of by a machine in a factory.

Is this the opening volley of a move to ban reloading?

Because the shooting is still under investigation, Baldwin has previously said that he was “ordered” by authorities to not say anything publicly about the incident. But for some reason, he is not heeding that “order” and is talking to ABC News.

Baldwin is the subject of a criminal investigation, as is assistant director Dave Halls and 24-year-old Gutierrez Reed, who was working on her second film as head armorer.

I suppose it's possible this reporter is making assumptions, but if Baldwin is the subject of a criminal investigation in this, based on the length of time being spent on it, that tells me he may be looking at some hard time (which is certainly appropriate). The other two should also be looking at nice long vacations from freedom.

Anyone who is not concerned about prosecution would be a fool indeed to violate official orders and talk about the case during the investigation. Baldwin is in full CYA mode.

Speaking of Mr. Halls and Ms. Gutierrez-Reed:

The sheriff’s department has said in court documents that prop master Sarah Zachary removed the gun from a locked props truck and gave it to Gutierrez Reed, Yahoo News reported. The armorer loaded it with rounds from a box of dummies, but one of the rounds was apparently a live round.

Gutierrez Reed said she showed the gun to Halls, who has admitted he didn’t thoroughly inspect it before giving it to Baldwin and telling him it was safe.

That's damning for both of them. Gutierrez-Reed loaded the gun? Unfortunately, that actually makes sense that she could have loaded a live round in amongst the dummy rounds. I keep remembering that article from days after this happened that quoted her as saying one of the rounds she recovered form the gun "didn't have a hole in the side of the casing where it should have" (aka had a primer) and "was missing the cap" (aka had been fired). That's about the most inane thing I have ever heard coming from an armorer; I would expect that kind of description from someone who had never touched a gun in their life. She apparently had never seen an actual live round, or if she had, she didn't bother looking at it.

Mr. Halls should be done. He just admitted gross negligence by declaring twice (once implicitly to Baldwin when he handed him the gun and then to everyone else when he announced "cold gun on set") that the gun he didn't bother to inspect himself was unloaded and safe.

All excerpts from www.mercurynews.com...

* Ever watch a movie where the gunner pulls the gun from the holster with one hand while he "fans" his other hand across the top? That's a (very dangerous; don't try this at home, kiddies!) technique that is supposed to shave a fraction of a second off the time from draw to fire: the hand that fans across the gun is actually forcing the hammer back and then releasing it, while the hand that holds the gun is pulling continuously against the trigger. it is faster to fan the gun than it is to pull back the hammer with the thumb, but as mentioned, it is also very dangerous. It is not the actual trigger that causes the round to fire; it is the impact of the firing pin on the hammer striking the primer. By holding the trigger back continuously, a single action revolver can be fired simply by pulling the hammer back and releasing. This is not a usable technique on double-action revolvers, though! Instead it is a good way to shoot oneself in the foot... a double action revolver uses the trigger to also pull back on the hammer and release it!

TheRedneck

One simple question. Who determined that the Armorer, the weapons safety expert, not be allowed on the set while a weapon was being used?

a reply to: JIMC5499

I heard that it was because of the Chinese virus. So... I dunno, Dr. Anthony Fauci?

TheRedneck

Imo the only way that Baldwin isn't culpable is if he was working on a scene that was blocked for him to point the gun at X person and pull the trigger. I'm fairly certain that nowhere in the script does it call for him to do that to a producer.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: JIMC5499

I heard that it was because of the Chinese virus. So... I dunno, Dr. Anthony Fauci?

TheRedneck

Good one. I wouldn't mind seeing an AD take out that clown. COVID was the excuse that was given. I don't buy it. I wonder how her pay scale worked. Was she paid a different rate for being on set? I know the Production had money issues. Hollywood has some strange accounting procedures.

a reply to: JIMC5499

Hollywood has some strange everything.

I don't buy the "money issues" excuse either. From what I am hearing from people who actually worked in the industry, most people working on a set barely make a living wage. The few "big shots" make oodles of boodles of cash, and I am sure that would include Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and Alec Baldwin. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the suppliers make oodles of cashola as well.

And I am sitting here realizing that I have forgotten more about handgun safety than all of these people put together could ever dream of knowing! But what does it profit me? A little less expensive to target shoot so I can be prepared to defend myself if needed. That last link that was given, the one I critiqued above, actually included poor information from a company who does this for a living!

Why don't I have a nice, cushy, high paying job to tell a bunch of actors how to handle a gun safely? Why do ignorant idiots have that job instead? I'd do it cheaper!

It's all just a way to fleece regular people so self-important fools can get big bucks they don't need to stroke their oversized egos... just like the "pandemic."

TheRedneck

"The few "big shots" make oodles of boodles of cash, and I am sure that would include Hannah Gutierrez-Reed"

That's what I'm curious about. If she's on set and they are working with weapons does she get paid different than if she's just on location?

I mentioned that I was security for the weapons trailer on a movie location a while back. When the weapons guys would leave to go on set, they would punch a time clock in the trailer. When they got back, they would punch it again. They were Union and they got paid a higher rate for the time that they were "on set". That's why I was there, to guard the trailer for the times that they were on set. I wonder if it was the same for Gutierrez-Reed? I could see them using the COVID excuse to keep her off set to save some money or to punish her for standing up for the film crew over the hotel issue. I could see Baldwin being that petty, especially after hearing the recordings of how he treated his daughter a while back.

a reply to: JIMC5499

I mentioned that I was security for the weapons trailer on a movie location a while back.

I must have either missed that, or it slipped my mind. In any case, I know it now.

When the weapons guys would leave to go on set, they would punch a time clock in the trailer. When they got back, they would punch it again. They were Union and they got paid a higher rate for the time that they were "on set". That's why I was there, to guard the trailer for the times that they were on set. I wonder if it was the same for Gutierrez-Reed? I could see them using the COVID excuse to keep her off set to save some money or to punish her for standing up for the film crew over the hotel issue. I could see Baldwin being that petty, especially after hearing the recordings of how he treated his daughter a while back.

I personally find that to be a very logical and plausible argument! I, too, have little faith in Baldwin's "humanity" as he has on several occasions not seemed to possess very much of that particular quality. And with the current social climate, simply questioning any action taken to, officially at least, "combat the pandemic" is seen as inhumane and dangerous... even criminal! So it would in effect be the ultimate excuse to save money, unable to be questioned.

TheRedneck