Alec Baldwin SHOOTING

a reply to: panoz77

Bullets are not seated in the barrel of a revolver. Bullets are seated in the cylinder.

TheRedneck

Regarding a squib or squib round. If you are familiar with firearms, a squib is an event where there is a malfunction usually due to a insufficient powder charge in a casing which results in the bullet being fired but with not enough power to leave the barrel and said projectile gets lodged in the barrel. If you do not recognize this when it happens, it can cause a barrel bulge or rupture when subsequent rounds are fired.

a reply to: TheRedneck

And left the gun unattended in the building? Are these people daft or something? Next thing you know, someone is gonna report that they... they... hell, I can't think of an example worse than what they've already been reported as doing! These folks broke hyperbole!

I thought the same when I read that..wtf! so many failures! and levels of failure

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: panoz77

Bullets are not seated in the barrel of a revolver. Bullets are seated in the cylinder.

TheRedneck

I'm speaking of semi-auto blank firing prop guns. The guns used on the set of Rust were REAL firearms and were revolvers, they were not blank firing prop guns or replicas.

You were the one talking about "firing pins". Revolvers don't have firing pins.

originally posted by: panoz77
Regarding a squib or squib round. If you are familiar with firearms, a squib is an event where there is a malfunction usually due to a insufficient powder charge in a casing which results in the bullet being fired but with not enough power to leave the barrel and said projectile gets lodged in the barrel. If you do not recognize this when it happens, it can cause a barrel bulge or rupture when subsequent rounds are fired.

They also use the term squib in movies, where charges are placed to represent bullet strikes, they call them "squibs". My buds bought a motor home from a set, was full of "bullet" holes, the interior walls still had all the wiring for the charges.

I do not have a copy of the affidavit of the SW. but agenda free tv does have a copy and reads all six pages of it on the live stream I linked above. I do have the warrant itself but there are no interviews in it and very little info. But Yeah they left the gun unattended in the church. a reply to: TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Sookiechacha

It seems the media is also conflating "misfires" with "accidental discharges".

What else is new?

They have also confused the term "prop gun" with an actual workable weapon. A prop gun has no firing pin, the barrel plugged solid, or both. It cannot physically fire a round any more than a water gun can. What was used here was a real, honest-to-God, working, functional firearm which was supposed to be loaded with blanks.


TheRedneck

A prop gun has no firing pin, the barrel plugged solid, or both. It cannot physically fire a round any more than a water gun can

^^^^^^^^
"A prop gun has no firing pin, the barrel is plugged solid, or both".

This is simply wrong, there are several types of prop guns, there is not one single definition. One of those types commonly used are blank firing guns, which most certainly do have a firing pin. There are also replicas, which do not have a firing pin or functional hammer. There are also simply solid plastic or rubber guns which have zero moving parts. There are also REAL firearms that are used as prop guns, as was the case on Rust. They were using at least one fully functional western style revolver with at least one real live round that had a real projectile.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: panoz77
Regarding a squib or squib round. If you are familiar with firearms, a squib is an event where there is a malfunction usually due to a insufficient powder charge in a casing which results in the bullet being fired but with not enough power to leave the barrel and said projectile gets lodged in the barrel. If you do not recognize this when it happens, it can cause a barrel bulge or rupture when subsequent rounds are fired.

They also use the term squib in movies, where charges are placed to represent bullet strikes, they call them "squibs". My buds bought a motor home from a set, was full of "bullet" holes, the interior walls still had all the wiring for the charges.

Noted, I just wanted to clarify the other definition of squib commonly used in the firearm industry.

So, because Baldwin is a rabid leftist and overt Trump-hating hollywood celebrity, he is somehow exempt from being arrested for murder/manslaughter given he fired a live round at a person, killing her and wounding the person behind her. If he was a conservative or a plep, he would be sitting in a jail cell right now - those that deny this fact are idiots.

Whats that saying again? Oh yes, 'if it wasn't for double standards, the left would have no standards at all'.

Those who wish to deflect blame onto someone else are shills at best, brainwashed for sure. So vehement is their hate for anti-establishment big government power folks, they are sociopaths who somehow think they are the 'resistance' - the pink hat wearing government and corporate loving resistance.......to the actual resistance.

Alex Baldwin is a murderer, maybe not 1st degree, but we shall see, if he is let off or not charged, then the double standards and rules for thee but not for me and well in force and should be met with the disdain they deserve.

a reply to: TheRedneck

not sure if this link will work, but here is a wayback machine grab of the wiki from August this year to compare wih your research : (shows last edited in 2019 ? )

ht tps://web.archive.org/web/20210822025821/en.wikipedia... .org/wiki/Theatrical_property


^^ lose the space between the t's and the a and . ^^

a reply to: panoz77

Revolvers don't have firing pins now... OK.

I guess mine are all defective.

TheRedneck

a reply to: panoz77

Was wondering if there was anything about prop guns in California law. Off topic. But interesting..

Penal Code 12556 PC – Imitation Firearms – California Law

Penal Code 12556 is the California gun law that makes it a crime for a person to display an imitation firearm in public. A first offense violation is treated as an infraction punishable by a $100.00 fine.

An “imitation firearm” includes objects like a:

BB gun,
toy gun, and
replica of a firearm.
Some examples of crimes under PC 12556 are:

Tony points a toy rifle at his friend’s chest in a department store.
Kelly takes an IF out of her purse while waiting in line for a movie.
Roberto pulls a BB gun out at school (not a crime though under California’s Gun-Free School Zone Act, Penal Code 626.9).

www.shouselaw.com...

originally posted by: TheRedneck

Someone is trying to change the definition of a prop gun to align with the media's incorrect definition

As you well know, a common debate tactic among some groups is to try to have their own definitions for words that don't match reality, like "racist," "sexist," "bigot," etc.

a reply to: face23785

Exactly my point.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: TheRedneck

Someone is trying to change the definition of a prop gun to align with the media's incorrect definition

As you well know, a common debate tactic among some groups is to try to have their own definitions for words that don't match reality, like "racist," "sexist," "bigot," etc.

Sometimes it's a broad definition. I think just about anything brought in, on a movie set might be called a "prop" We rent vintage electronics to some productions here, they are called props, whether they function or not.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

There's no way this should be a murder charge. Let's not loosely throw that word around the way they do.

It's sounding more and more like involuntary manslaughter is in order. I mean this wasn't just a freak accident. These people were being ridiculously irresponsible with guns, and someone got killed. Leaving a gun unattended, using set guns for target shooting, etc.

Typical of the anti-gun nuts, they're usually the most irresponsible and dangerous morons when they get their hands on one.

a reply to: JacKatMtn

Yeah, that seems to say about the same thing overall as it did before Saturday.

I miss the old days when we had these things made out of sheets of paper called "dictionaries." Come to think of it, I might have an old one around there somewhere... if I can find it, I'll post back what it says on the subject.

In the meantime... did you know revolvers don't have firing pins?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: TheRedneck

Someone is trying to change the definition of a prop gun to align with the media's incorrect definition

As you well know, a common debate tactic among some groups is to try to have their own definitions for words that don't match reality, like "racist," "sexist," "bigot," etc.

Sometimes it's a broad definition. I think just about anything brought in, on a movie set might be called a "prop" We rent vintage electronics to some productions here, they are called props, whether they function or not.

Totally agree, but in this particular case "prop gun" has long been understood to mean one that's incapable of firing. The fact that was just changed the other day on Wikipedia definitely looks suspicious, like someone is trying to manipulate public opinion.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: TheRedneck

Someone is trying to change the definition of a prop gun to align with the media's incorrect definition

As you well know, a common debate tactic among some groups is to try to have their own definitions for words that don't match reality, like "racist," "sexist," "bigot," etc.

Sometimes it's a broad definition. I think just about anything brought in, on a movie set might be called a "prop" We rent vintage electronics to some productions here, they are called props, whether they function or not.

Totally agree, but in this particular case "prop gun" has long been understood to mean one that's incapable of firing. The fact that was just changed the other day on Wikipedia definitely looks suspicious, like someone is trying to manipulate public opinion.

I agree!

a reply to: vonclod

Anything used in a movie is a "prop," even a real gun. But the phrase "prop gun" does not include a real gun; it is a prop designed to look like a gun. The weapon used was a real gun that was used as a prop, but was not a prop gun.

At least, it wasn't before Saturday.

TheRedneck