Fl districts requiring masks up to four times lower COVID-19 cases per capita 

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: dandandat2
As the tit for tat battle between Florida's Ron DeSantis' administration and Joe Biden's administration heats up putting in question the states right to control its own education system ; it turns out that date shows that mask mandates in schools do in fact work.

Florida Agriculture Commissioner Nikki Fried, an independently-elected member of the Florida Cabinet, held a virtual press conference to release and discuss school district COVID-19 data which Governor Ron DeSantis’ administration has worked to block. This data shows clear evidence that school districts requiring masks resulted in up to four times lower COVID-19 cases per capita than school districts that did not require masks.

2.6 times lower student COVID-19 cases per capita in school districts starting the school year with mask requirements (Alachua, Broward, Miami-Dade) than school districts without mask requirementsSchool districts without mask requirements had nearly twice as many student COVID-19 cases as school districts requiring masksSchool districts without mask requirements, had nearly 3.5 times higher student COVID-19 peak cases per capita than school districts requiring mask.

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If it is true that masks mandates in schools keep kids safer does that fact override state sovereignty? In our modern times is safty a more important virtue than personal freedom and parental choice?

No, it does not. State's right's are still state's rights whether you agree or not.

End of discussion.

Or, can the state be sued for negligence given they are willfully advocating against something (or outright banning something) that proves to reduce the spread of infectious disease with the state? Who’s the real enemy in that scenario?

I mean, by that logic… states should collectively allow people to smoke in public, indoor spaces again. I mean, there’s a mountain of data to show second hand smoke is bad for you, but damnit those smokers 100% deserve the freedom to light up and pass that second hand Smokey death onto non-smokers who are minding their own business….

But that’s totally different, right? Right.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: chr0naut

Yes but they are a unique case. They did it how they should have but it was fairly easy for them.

All borders and entry ports of New Zealand were closed to non-residents on 19 March 2020

Too bad the person who wanted to do this in the US was called a racist.....

He wasn't called a racist for that reason, though.

And also, despite the border closures in both countries, the virus has continued to spread, in both countries. Closing the borders might keep a virus out if it isn't already over that border, but if it is, it's like "shutting the gate after the horse has bolted".

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: chr0naut

Comparing that to New Zealand, with similar population density, climate, and half that population, but who went into lockdown within hours of confirmed community cases, has only had 28 deaths from COVID-19.

Live free or die.

New Zealand just going to hide from covid forever.

Last Updated: August 04, 2021 08:52 IST
As Sweden reports nearly zero COVID deaths, experts criticise govt laxity over new variant

m.republicworld.com...

On the week of the byline of that article, Sweden had 1,984 new cases.

originally posted by: YongSu

originally posted by: chr0naut
Sweden's no lockdown policy was a failure. A country with low population density and a quite small population has had nearly 15,000 deaths due to COVID-19. Comparing that to New Zealand, with similar population density, climate, and half that population, but who went into lockdown within hours of confirmed community cases, has only had 28 deaths from COVID-19.

Vikings have an old saying. What does not kill you makes you stronger. Today's Sweden emerged stronger than ever before, with a gene pool far stronger than that of New Zealand. I have lived in New Zealand for a few years but honestly it's not a country I would want to live in.

Fair enough. It is a country I have chosen to live in. I'm an Aussie and, although homesick, I really have settled in here quite happily.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: chr0naut

Comparing that to New Zealand, with similar population density, climate, and half that population, but who went into lockdown within hours of confirmed community cases, has only had 28 deaths from COVID-19.

Live free or die.

New Zealand just going to hide from covid forever.

Last Updated: August 04, 2021 08:52 IST
As Sweden reports nearly zero COVID deaths, experts criticise govt laxity over new variant

m.republicworld.com...

On the week of the byline of that article, Sweden had 1,984 new cases.

Part of life.

If you don’t want to catch covid, live your life in a hazmat suit, and breath off purified scuba tanks. But I wouldn’t call that living. Or being human.

originally posted by: chr0nautOn the week of the byline of that article, Sweden had 1,984 new cases.

Oh come on. 1,984 cases is nothing. Rhinovirus cases are more than 10 times that number if people do PCR tests.

The doctor at the 12:52 mark talks about it.

originally posted by: YongSu

originally posted by: chr0nautOn the week of the byline of that article, Sweden had 1,984 new cases.

Oh come on. 1,984 cases is nothing. Rhinovirus cases are more than 10 times that number if people do PCR tests.

The doctor at the 12:52 mark talks about it.

Do approximately 2 out of every hundred that are confirmed with rhinovirus, die?

originally posted by: chr0nautDo approximately 2 out of every hundred that are confirmed with rhinovirus, die?

There is no data about it. There are very few places that do PCR tests for rhinovirus. Could be millions. Could be thousands. There is simply no available data. Unless people rush to the hospital to do PCR tests for rhinovirus whenever they get a sniffle, we simply don't have the data. I am merely pointing out the fact that cases mean nothing if they are not serious.

a reply to: chr0naut

So do you have any link to the facts or just a number you pulled out of nowhere?

What is a case? a viral particle found floating around or someone with a Coronavirus-like symptom? A headache or perhaps they were detecting a partial particle?

Bit of a joke saying "cases" as cases are no indication of sickness or of vaccinated status is it?

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: chr0naut

So do you have any link to the facts or just a number you pulled out of nowhere?

What is a case? a viral particle found floating around or someone with a Coronavirus-like symptom? A headache or perhaps they were detecting a partial particle?

Bit of a joke saying "cases" as cases are no indication of sickness or of vaccinated status is it?

The case numbers were taken off COVID-19 Dashboard by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU) which takes its data from The Public Health Agency of Sweden (Folkhälsomyndigheten)

Since Sweden is a modern 1st world country, I would imagine that "cases" refers to those that have tested positive for COVID-19.

A partial particle of a virus is not infectious like a whole virus is. It would be pointless to test for a non-infectious condition, when a full test is just as easy to do, and is relevant data.

a reply to: chr0naut

Sweden has natural immunity to it. They don't bother with case counts anymore.

www.worldometers.info...

a reply to: chr0naut

So it's based on the test result that is not relevant to a diagnosis of being infectious. Are you infectious if you have a positive PCR test result for COVID-19?

It is just a record of individuals with evidence of a viral particle after running a sample through an unknown number of cycles.

If you didn't know there is supposedly a highly infectious airborne viral particle floating around that 90% of people don't know they are carrying. When there are many tests done surprise surprise we find some of it.
Looked on your link and per Test Sweden is averaging 3% of tests being positive. Which is under the endemic level of 4% stated by the WHO.

So what was the point of your comment?

On the week of the byline of that article, Sweden had 1,984 new cases.

Are you trying to imply something?

originally posted by: YongSu
a reply to: chr0naut

Sweden has natural immunity to it. They don't bother with case counts anymore.

www.worldometers.info...

Pretty crap level of 'natural' immunity if they currently have 18,505 active cases and daily death counts.

a reply to: VulcanWerks

Can we sue CHINA?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: YongSu
a reply to: chr0naut

Sweden has natural immunity to it. They don't bother with case counts anymore.

www.worldometers.info...

Pretty crap level of 'natural' immunity if they currently have 18,505 active cases and daily death counts.

Not really. Covid cases and deaths in Sweden is peanuts compared to rhinovirus cases and deaths which is at least 10 times that many.